44 | "Hedhunter" Higgins & "$awbuck" Mike | World Championships, Spiritual Ancestry, and UFC 306 | "Double Champ Status"

This episode takes you on a thrilling journey from cryptic legends to the intense drama of the World Catch Wrestling Championships in England. Despite facing some of the toughest opponents in the sport and battling a serious knee injury, our double champion emerges victorious. With insights from coach Josh Barnett and a peaceful recovery on an Irish farm, we paint a vivid picture of resilience and determination.

Discover the profound link between spirituality and the warrior mindset as we delve into Alex Pereira's connection with his ancestry. Learn how embracing one's heritage can be a powerful source of strength, and hear personal stories from the wrestling mat highlighting the strategic dominance and sheer satisfaction of pinning an opponent. We recount a dramatic match underscoring the importance of grit and perseverance, offering a compelling narrative of triumph despite adversity.

As our conversation shifts to broader societal issues, we discuss the pressing topics of immigration and extreme poverty in European cities. Personal anecdotes from England, including a seminar near Wigan and the picturesque countryside, add a touch of local color. We then transition into a lively discussion of conspiracy theories, reflecting on their prevalence in sports and among athletes. Finally, we wrap up with an analysis of the upcoming UFC 306 fight and some fascinating experiences with psychedelics and spiritual ceremonies at sacred Irish sites. Join us for an episode that promises to be as enlightening as it is entertaining.

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Chapters

• 1:24 Two-Time World Champion Catch Wrestler "Headhunter" Higgins
• 7:26 Spirituality and Victory in Wrestling
• 11:08 Exploring Immigration, Culture, and Conspiracies
• 11:12 [Ad] The Latin Minute
• 11:57 (Cont.) Exploring Immigration, Culture, and Conspiracies
• 19:21 Predictions for UFC 306 Card
• 29:26 Psychedelic Shamanic Mountain Journey

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved. Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:11

It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:19

We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone, six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:26

Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity. The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:32

Conspiracy show it's obvious the aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge. We're just one planet. They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill. The nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. The bulldog ball I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party, at a point in uh. In the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24

All right. So we usually don't record episodes the same week that they're going to be out, and this one is actually, as we record, a September 10th, and this episode will be out the very next day, september 11th.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:38

A special 9-11 episode.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:40

Right, and one of the main reasons why we're doing so is because we talked about in the last couple episodes that you were going to england, widgeon, to compete in your second world catch wrestling championships. They kind of stacked the deck against you this year by bringing in john hathaway, who's like, would you say like, a six-time world champion catch wrestler, former ufc fighter, and yes, that didn't matter because you got the job done again two years in a row. So fucking tell us about that, dude double champ status.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:12

Yes, I am here on my farm in Ireland, kind of repeated the process of last year, went to some badass sites and got myself hyped up before the tournament. I had a bunch of English dudes in my bracket and yeah, like you said, john Hathaway definitely my toughest catch wrestling opponent I've ever had, and it's like they really want to get some English representation after the American people came and whooped ass last year. But it was a large majority again, americans winning all the brackets, wow. And yeah, I tore my knee in the semifinal match. So I won the world title finals match with a torn knee, I'm suspecting an MCL, so pretty proud that I persevered through that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:52

But I didn't come all this way to lose and have the built-in. I could have had the built-in excuse Like I was facing a fucking warrior in the finals and I had a torn knee, like I'm not at my best. I could have laid an egg or pulled out or had a shit performance and be like, oh well, I wasn't at my best. Second place, it sucks. But like, fuck that dude. I had to go just pure fucking rage mode and I had Josh Barnett there in the corner for me, so that was a big motivational boost. Just taped my knee up and made it happen. And here we are. I'm on my farm where I'm nursing my injury and harvesting apples, harvesting ivy to make soap and doing some gardening. So it's pretty awesome.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:33

That is pretty awesome. There's almost two different mindsets, right. There is like the one you described where fuck man, you know, I did my best, things just didn't work out. I blew my knee out. Fucking second place is awesome. I did my best, things just didn't work out. I blew my knee out. Fucking second place is awesome. I lost to a UFC guy. There's that mindset right. And then there's the other mindset where it's like, obviously, tearing your fucking shoulder or tearing your knee is never good, right, but there's a certain mentality where it's like, oh okay, what else? Because no matter what you throw at me, I'm fucking overcome it and that's that's what you did, that's what you are, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:07

so you said you suspect it's the media collateral ligament, the mcl I formed this knee like seven years ago and, uh, never had any knee problems since, but I was. I was trying to spladle the guy like I hit a spladle last year and I want to hit it again and I was going for it. So my leg if my leg, if you're not familiar with grappling, or even if you are my leg was grapevine in on his and he rolled in a really sudden and weird way and he took my ankle like way outside of my knee line. So my leg was just shredded and I felt it right then and there, and there was only like a minute or two left in that match which I was already dominating, so I just kept riding it out and doing what I was doing and then, yeah, uh, it doesn't feel terrible right now. I still got tape and a brace and stuff on it. But, yeah, I'm, I'm messed up.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:55

I'll be on the shelf for a little bit do you suspect that you can rehab it without surgery?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:00

yeah, the other time I tore knee, I just needed time in a brace. I needed to wear a brace for like six weeks and then rehab, so I'll be fine, do you think?

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:09

it's yeah, it got right over my.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:12

I don't know. It's hard to say I didn't go to the doctor or anything. People were telling me to take advantage of the English healthcare while I was there or the Irish one and whatever travel insurance right now.

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:21

but I really want to spend a bunch of time in a fucking hospital or emergency room or whatever, when you know I'm not gonna die or anything, and especially if it's just, if it's not a complete terror, they're not gonna be able to really do anything for you besides brace it and tape it, which is kind of what you're already planning on doing. So you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:40

I won't be doing any collar and elbow out here for the rest of my time steadily. But I am planning and in talks to meet up with two of our former guests, maybe even in the same day Nathan the Rambling Kern and Indiana Stones.

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:53

So that's going to be awesome. Yeah, that'll be. Those are two. Those are two cool fucking guys dude One's in Scotland, if I remember correct, and the other is in Ireland, right?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:01

Both are here. Oh, both are here. Oh, both are in ireland nathan's in dublin, and then david is the little south, okay, and uh, the ku cohen stone, the same stone that I visited last time, like the warrior stone, yeah, where the mythology, the most powerful warrior, he, you know, strapped himself to that stone as he was dying. And what was crazy about it when I went there this time is, uh, in the story too, a raven lands on it, on him and on the stone when he finally dies, to signify that he was dead. And uh, I found three raven feathers at the kukolan stone in the days before the tournament, when I was getting ready, so I was getting fucking pumped about that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:43

That was some crazy shit as far as you know, are you the only one that the only one competing in the catch wrestling tournament that goes to these spiritual sites oh yeah, for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:54

I mean, everyone probably thinks I'm a lunatic in a way to do all this, and I mean some of the guys that I know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:01

I know we're laughing about. I was like when they like, oh, he's a folk style wrestler, he's a former world champ like this and that, when they announced you, I was like, can we put? Visited sacred stone circles to harness power beforehand. And I posted the other day too, and I feel like I gave it away. I gave away not that it's a secret or anything, but it's something I've utilized for a while that I've given it away to the competition.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:26

I posted Alex Pereira on my story, like dressed up and all this thing and how he comes out to his walkout. I was like, why do you think this guy's so scary? He's completely in touch with his ancestry and like the warrior spirit of his people, Like he's all in on that. That gives him an aura, that gives him a source of power. And I'm like, if you don't think there's anything to that, or you don't, you don't subscribe to that yourself, then that's on you. You're probably missing out on on something powerful for yourself. But hey, let them, let them keep doubting it, Let them think I'm weird. But I think other people will realize there's something to that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:56

Dude Eric Paulson. Energy is from these different spiritual sites and he's fucking one of the most deadliest men to ever live in, at least in the last couple hundred years. I mean, look at any, and look at any like um, historical, uh, army, or historical, just fucking warriors, bro. They all were in tune with their spirituality so people could think what they want to fucking think, bro.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:20

But results speak for themselves, you know yeah, and I still got some time left here, so I'm sure some magic is awaiting me wherever I do decide to go, or whatever's gonna happen, some synchronistic weird shit will happen so how many matches did you have? Total three, and you tore your knee in the second one yeah, at the final, like two minutes or so of the second one damn wow.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:44

and then you had to get it taped up, a little pep talk by Barnett, and then you went out there and fought your toughest opponent and fucking almost lost quick yeah. But then you fucking battled out of it and ended up beating him. That's like something you'd see in a movie and you'd be like oh no, that's kind of a stretch. I know that's what of a stretch, I know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:01

But you did it. That's what Josh said. He was like did you have to make it so dramatic? You know, you got hurt and all this shit at the end and you almost lose right off the bat to finally come back and win. I was texting my friends and my parents when I told them I was like dude, I tore my shit and I was like I knew they were watching. I was like this could be ugly. I'm going to fucking do what I got to do. He could be mauling me for nine minutes 30 seconds, but as long as I got time I could pull this out.

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:28

And you did. That's fucking awesome dude. So is it one pinfall? Does that end the match? Yeah, wow, and that's what you did. You pinned his ass, I did. Is that more satisfying? Okay? So in your opinion, would you rather pin somebody or would you rather submit somebody?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:45

yeah, I haven't submitted anyone in catch wrestling yet, which is kind of disappointing. I've pinned almost all my opponents in. In catch wrestling, a pin is cool because they, no matter what, like you know, don't go to your back, so when you make someone go to the one position they're not supposed to go to, that is pretty dominant. Making somebody surrender, though, is pretty cool as well isn't it harder, though, to pin somebody?

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:06

I would say so, because it's like I catch somebody, yeah, that's the one position you want to go to is like do not go to your back.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:13

Do not go to your back and they make you go to your back and how many wrestlers wrestlers slash catch.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:18

Wrestlers actually spend time training off their back. Not a lot, right? You know? That's like a thing in mma. It's like you get a wrestler on his back. It's like they're kind of lost because they really don't spend much time training there Because, like you said, that's where you don't want to be. So I would think that would be harder to do, because you could catch somebody in a fucking guillotine or a Kimura in a scramble or whatever an ankle lock, a knee bar but to pin somebody, there's no like wiggle room. You pinned him. Oh, you caught me. You got lucky. No, dude, I pinned you. That's awesome.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:49

With wrestling. I think it adds to the excitement too, versus people just laying there and rolling around in guard when there's the one, two, three count and you've got to fight off your back. That adds some hype to it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:01

Yeah, it would be funny if there was a fucking crooked ref in WWE and they did a fast count Like one, two, three. You remember those days?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:48

How is the immigrant situation over there? Actually, where I'm at is normal. When I was in Dublin last year it hadn't gotten too extreme yet. I guess Dublin is a bunch of tent cities. I was only in Dublin for a day so far this time when I flew to Manchester, but I guess it's pretty bad in Dublin here. Just normal seems fine, but Dublin is crazy overpopulated with a bunch of migrants and stuff. Manchester seemed to be in that type of overpopulation, just overcrowded on purpose and very, uh, diverse, if you will you know what surprised me.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:27

I've been watching a lot of these um these videos where people go to ghettos not in the united states, but all over the world.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:38

And it really surprised me to see, and it really surprised me to see some of these ghettos, like in France, in Italy, like Naples, dude, the whole city is a fucking shithole and they have, seriously, and they have ghettos, dude, that make ours look like five star hotels. And I'm saying this because I haven't seen any specifically in Ireland, but I've seen some in England, specifically Liverpool, where, dude, it's, they're fucking it's. I never realized, I guess, just how there's ghettos, all I mean, of course I realized there was bad neighborhoods all over the place, but the extreme poverty that most of the world lives in lives in. And I was just wondering if that's evident when you go to england, I guess, because I don't, I don't really know if ireland I'm sure ireland and scotland and wales have their areas, but I think england probably has more. Have you kind of seen any of that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:36

no, uh, my time in england Time in England was actually pretty cool. I got picked up by a gentleman, alan Glover. He reached out to me on Instagram. He's a catch wrestler and a coach and he set me up to do a seminar at his gym the night before, just outside of Wigan in a place called Halifax, and he's actually a police officer here, like a high up, like he's one of the few divisions of police that have firearms here or in England and his job is like, if there's a foreign leader coming over, or like a president from another country or like some royal, that he's like the bodyguard of the people. So he was like I feel like I'm just doing the same thing with you while you're over here. He, I feel like I'm just doing the same thing with you while you're over here. He was like escorting me around. I felt like a very important person just being escorted around by this guy. He was super cool.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:27

I taught at their gym. It was a blast and, honestly, the hillsides and the countryside of England it is kind of the inspiration for it Like Lord of the Rings, like the Shire, just super old villages and very hilly, awesome landscapes. It was pretty sick, is that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:42

Manchester or the suburbs of yeah, outside of it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:48

Now, do you know how far that is from Cumbria, the Lake District? No, the Lake District is very far north. It's almost by Scotland. That's where my people are from and it's supposed to be all beautiful rolling hills, just like you were saying. That's what I was wondering.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:04

Not sure. It was probably a good bit away.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:08

Okay yeah, the countryside is supposed to be just perfection.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:11

There was. It was pretty cool, and there was some giant tower that we kept driving by, like some old spire that some guy built just out of like ego, however many hundreds of years ago, and we kept joking that it looked like soran's eye really should have been at the top of it, just staring over everybody right out here. Dude, is older than america, like this building this pub, this church, whatever. Like older than america?

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:32

yeah, supposedly yeah, yeah, no, that's. That's what's incredible, dude, like the old I'm a big fan of like the old gothic cathedrals and the fucking like just the way that they used to build, especially in like england and in that whole area, all the uk, like they're just the way that they built.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:50

It's so incredible, it's awe-inspiring I saw quite a few tartaria style, like you know, half underground like windows and doors underground on some like hilly roads and stuff. So no shortage of that. And uh, it's funny when I was showing with some of the american wrestlers and and josh after the fact, and uh, some conspiracy talks started coming up and one of the guys I guess was a engineer and I think he'd worked for nasa and stuff and the flat earth and the moon, the fake moon stuff started coming up and I didn't go all in. I'm like man, I wish I had Paulson here, I wish I had someone else here. I'm completely, fucking, completely outnumbered and outgunned.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:27

I need some schizo. So he was totally of the belief that we went to the moon the earth is what everybody says it is and he was totally of that ilk.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:38

Yeah, I feel like a lot of athletes. Even though we've talked to some good fighters and you know we've gotten some good shit out, I guess a lot of athletes don't really, you know, dive into the crazy shit too much basketball players do fucking kairi irvin but if you, if you took like the majority of the nba, I would say most of them don't really give a shit about stuff like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:04

The reason why I think that, out of all well, not all, but okay the four major sports leagues in the States the NFL, the NBA, the NHL and MLB I think that the reason why the NBA has the most people open to these conspiracy theories is because something like 93% of the people in that league smoke pot.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:26

Yeah, I was going to say there's a correlation and, to be honest, nba is mostly black dudes. A lot of black dudes are more.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:34

Yeah, exactly, they came up with a system that didn't really look out for them. So they already have mistrust of authority and you know they're fully aware that things don't always shake out fairly, so that leads to a, you know, a conspiratorial mind as well. While I was over here to doing some work, I was listening to the Cult of Conspiracy podcast and I want to talk to those guys again because an episode that they uh had recently came full circle for me and in a couple ways and I'll elaborate on that and knowing that how you and I met was, uh, your old show, that you were looking for someone to talk about reptilians, and that's that was my obsession at the time. So I was like, okay, let's go. They had a guy or they, they had a book of a guy and I hadn't heard this in years. Dude, this is like around that time, long time ago, when I was looking for reptilian shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:26

This guy, named like Nicholas dare, very Drakenberg or whatever, like the dry, the true dragon, bloodline royal of Europe, spills all and like they had his book or something, and how this guy believes like not all men are created equal and like your bloodline matters and his royal blood is the real royal blood of Europe and he's like a Scottish royal and they go back to the Scythian dragons and the Anunnaki and the Celts and like it was overlapping a shit ton of like the Celtic and like you know the different connections with the names and the Gaels and the Galatians and like that, with uh, Hanunaki's twist and vampires and reptilians and man it was. It was just so deep. You'll have to listen to that episode if you haven't, and uh, I definitely want to chat with those guys again.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:12

I definitely haven't. I haven't really listened to too many other conspiracy podcasts in the last little bit, to be honest with you, but that does sound crazy. I don't know how to feel about the reptilian ones. I used to, like you said a while ago, I was definitely more into it, believed it more, but you know well, this one wasn't even per se like a shape-shifting, the blizzard person type of deal.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:37

It's more of like we have the bloodline of the dragons. Yeah, we hit. We are connected to the Anunnaki, like the dragon is like the symbol to them or something.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:45

You know what that reminds me of?

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:47

What's that Back when I was doing that same podcast, reality Roundhouse, I had a gentleman on from Ireland. I'll have to see if I could find it somewhere like in the old internet archives. But he was an expert on the rhesus monkey gene and I don't know if you've ever looked into that, but there's only a certain percentage of human beings that have this rhesus monkey gene. It's linked to, like all these amazing things, and that's that was what that kind of reminded me of. I should, wild, I should look into seeing if I could figure out who that was and seeing if we can get him on.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:22

That would be a blast.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:24

This has been like what? Like eight or nine years ago, you know so I'm sure I could find it somewhere. The Internet usually holds on to everything.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:33

It's got something to do with Neanderthal, I'm sure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:35

Yeah, dude, it was so cool and you know where I heard it first on was the Hireside Chats, because back then there wasn't too many conspiracy shows and that's kind of was my farming ground for future guests and I obviously couldn't go over like I couldn't look for like their top a-list guests because I was a nobody you know, still am pretty much but so I'd go for like their mid, their mid-tier guests that really interested me. That's how I got bob frazell. We should probably bring him back on. He was the first guest.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:03

That'd be fun. You're a pioneer of conspiracy podcasting.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:07

No, I wouldn't say I mean I appreciate it, but it's definitely Greg Carlwood, the Higher Side Chats. He's the fucking man. We should get him. That would be legendary because he literally is like the number one dude. I'm number one dude. I'm glad we got eric on the fucking podcast, because now every day he sends me legitimately about 40 awesome conspiracy and schizo posts. I'm honored. That is pretty cool to have someone that you look up, to idolize, someone, to just send you those things on a daily basis.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:37

That's just fucking cool dude I wish, I wish that he was fucking at this tournament, cuz I didn't have any backup.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:44

Really yeah, he could have definitely been the whole fucking reinforcement, you know well, he's just.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:51

He's got the effect that he's so well respected because of who he is. That like, even if he says some outlandish crazy shit that someone completely disagrees with, they're probably just gonna let it go yeah, there's gonna go huh.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:02

So you're gonna be out there this Saturday for UFC 306, huh.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:08

If I want to see that I'm going to have to stay up mad late.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:10

Right, right, because of the time difference. We were talking about that before we were recording. There's what like a six-hour time difference. Yeah, Wow, so yeah, I mean the main card starts at 9 here, so it would be like 5 am by you. Fuck yeah, Probably probably ain't gonna see it. That's rough, cause it's a pretty good card.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:37

it's the one that's gonna be in the sphere it's like the mom can we get Khabib vs Connor? No, we have Khabib vs Connor at home and it's Murad vs Sean O'Malley right, yep, that's pretty much.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:53

Uh, you know, you got a fucking lethal excellent master at range.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:58

Yeah, the Dabishvili versus lanky. Uh, rangy Irish striker. Well, irish American stri, but yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:06

So, as we record this on Tuesday the 10th, o'malley is a minus 135 favorite and Davisville is a plus 114. And it's interesting to note that about a week ago O'Malley was the underdog. So that's turned around. What do you think?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:24

I kind of think I know where you're going to go with this just because of who you are. Yeah, you're going Davisville.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:28

Yeah, you're going down to Philly. Yeah, how do you think it's going to play out? Do you think he's going to be able to just take him down, hold him there and dominate him and eventually submit him, or what do you?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:34

think he might get in trouble, but he'll probably just beat him by decision, just via cardio and volume. Like he'll, I don him out too like I'm. I'm not 100, but I do just think uh, usually the dominant grappler will win. And marab's relentless. His cardio is too good, like sean o'malley is very good at what he does too. But if you just consider the fucking lifestyle and the upbringing and like the heart, you already know marab is fucking better. You know he's just a warrior from the mountains who's been wrestling and doing manual labor and trains his fucking ass off. And o'malley, as good as he is, he's a fucking goofy, fucking pink hair stoner, california american gamer.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:17

He's actually from montana oh really, he's from montana. His dad was a sheriff and then he moved to uh, arizona to train with tim welch. But I could totally see why you say that, because he does look like a totally californ, california surfer kind of fucking dude that's his vibe. That's his vibe. So you kind of think that Dobbsville is going to have the Bilal Mohamed game plan.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:38

Yeah, he's going to just be fucking pushing him against the cage, taking him down, burying him.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:43

I could see that playing out like that, but what I think is going to happen is, I think that marab gets reckless at times and every fight definitely walk right into a fucking shot and get clipped.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:54

It only takes one with that kid. He did it to his teammate, aljermaine sterling. I mean he, I don't know man, that kid, he's such a master at range and he could people forget to kick it fucking kick too, I mean because he's just so dynamic with his fists. But it should be a fun fight. I could see it going either way, honestly, but I think if, if, if I watch the fight play out 100 times, I think o'malley gets it maybe 60 of the time. So based on that, I think I'm I'm gonna have to lean towards the champ we will see.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:22

Huh well, I'm not a betting man, and I know you are, so yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:25

Well, that don't mean shit, especially when a fight is that close, you know, and what's interesting is okay. So, like I said, O'Malley's a minus 135. Davos Valley's a plus 114. The next fight, the co-main event, is Shevchenko versus Grasso 3, and Shevchenko's a plus 114, and Grasso's a minus 135. So odds are flipped there, but Grasso they have as the favorite, but Grasso they have is the favorite and Shevchenko is the underdog. I like Shevchenko. I think she won the second fight. I believe Grasso won the first. So this is going to be the rubber match. I don't know man, I think Shevchenko, if she's not. Everybody always says Amanda Nunes, but I don't think Amanda Nunes was the greatest women's champion or mixed martial arts I like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:09

Valentina too Not really a women's mma fan, to be honest, but uh, I always did like valentina.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:12

she's brutal I mean, she goes fucking hard, dude. She's got the fucking gun tattooed on her hip like come on, that's fucking awesome not into fighter girls either.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:21

There's a few random ones that are but as far as like a masculine scary jack spider girl, she's kind of pretty yeah, you know who, I too, especially now that she retired and got her boobs done is. Joanna. Oh yeah, dude, you know who's way better than the other Polish fighter, Karolina Kowalkiewicz Kowalkiewicz.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:39

Kowalkiewicz. Yeah yeah, kowalkiewicz, yeah yeah, she's a little. See, what I've noticed with Polish girls, man, is they look good until they're about late 20s and then, boy, does it fucking take a dive Well both of them are probably like 40s.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:54

They still look good.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:55

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't put them in like a class of the average Polish girl, because obviously they have amazing genetics and they have a bankroll too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:03

You never know when you hit the wall.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:05

So you like Shevchenko in that one too? I would say so. And then the other. The other fight that I wanted to talk about briefly was Brian Ortega and Diego Lopes. Ortega's a plus 145, lopes a minus 175. I like Brian Ortega as underdog. Here again, I don't think he's done. I mean, maybe he is, I just don't think he is. I just worry that his chin is kind of suspect and Lopes is a wild striker.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:31

So I don't know. Yeah, that guy's brutal. I'll go with that guy. He's a savage Mohawk.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:36

Going Lopes Mexican.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:38

Actually Mexican, yeah, versus a Mexican-American.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:41

See, that's surprising to me, because you have the grappler in Brian Ortega, even though he's a jiu-jitsu guy, not really a wrestling guy.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:47

He's a jujitsu guy, not really a wrestling guy, he's a grappler but he's a jujitsu guy and usually I would still go with the grappler. But I also, like I like warrior strikers. I'm not really a fan of like technical striker. Like I obviously respect it, I'm a fucking long time MMA fan, practitioner coach. I can appreciate it all. But like the technical, like you know, precision striker has never been my favorite. Like I loved fucking Chuck Liddell.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:13

Chuck Liddell was one of the fucking best dude, like Rumble, jackson, jardine, bear Page. Oh yeah, dude, dude, I can't believe you just said Keith Jardine.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:22

He was honestly one of my favorites. We should get him on here. I'd love to meet him. That'd be a wild one, because I loved Jardine dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:29

He goes way back, dude. I used to love the Dean Amin bro. You know he does movies now and TV shows.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:33

Oh yeah, I've seen him in a couple cameos.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:35

There was another movie or show I was watching and I was like that's fucking Keith Jardine. He was like in a bar scene and he had like a fight in a bar scene.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:43

That's what he's a good hired thug.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:46

He's got that look. He's got like kind of like a. He almost looks like a Russian, like a stereotypical, like Russian big thug out assassin, you know, because he's got like an elongated head. That's bald with that crazy goatee. He's got like menacing eyes, yeah. All right, you're going to be in Ireland for yet a little while, right? Yeah, about two weeks still. Wow, what else do you got planned?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:08

I'm going to hopefully go to Josh Burnett's seminar chill with him in Ireland. Definitely going to go see some more holy sites, some that I have seen, some that I haven't seen. I wanted to climb a mountain again this time, but, I don't know, with my knee. We'll see, maybe I'll still get it out, but chilling man.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:27

Chilling. You should see if you could find some kind of uh, psychedelics.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:32

Actually, it's funny that you mention that the fuckin' family that I'm stayin' with the married couple has multiple like shaman druid people that they go to. And they go to the Hill of Tara and the one hill that I did already visit and one of them does like tobacco and cocoa cocoa caco healing ceremony, like crazy thing. And then the other guy does mushroom meditation rituals at these Irish holy sites. That's it, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:58

You got to do that, dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:00

No shit.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:01

Yeah, you got to do that. That's like a once-in-a-lifetime kind of fucking experience, dude. Yeah, it's going to be legendary brutality. Yeah, exactly, Fucking flawless victory dude. Yeah, it's going to be legendary brutality. Yeah, exactly, Fucking flawless victory dude. Wah la la, la, All right. Well, like, subscribe, share, do all that good shit If you want to reach out to us. Conspiracyandchillyobcom, Patreon, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, all that good shit. What am I missing?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:25

Stay away from cuntophiles.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:27

Stay away from counter files.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:31

Stay away from pedophiles. Guitar solo. Thank you.