43 | Erik Paulson Pt.2 | The Gracies, Archangels, and Miracles | "If Your Ever Under Attack, Jesus Is The Most Powerful Word You Can Say"

Can ancient wisdom and supernatural entities shape our daily lives? Join us as we navigate an extraordinary tapestry of topics. Learn the power of reclaiming your divine sovereignty through prayers of protection and potent rituals, as shared by the one and only Erik Paulson.

Have you ever wondered about the hidden energies lurking in your local gym? Discover the unique dynamics within these spaces, where daily stress and emotional burdens are released, potentially creating pockets of negative energy. We share practical cleansing practices like the use of sage, selenite balls, and consecrated salt to maintain a positive atmosphere. We also spotlight healing tools such as EarthSafe Pocket Harmonizers, ensuring your workout environment is as spiritually balanced as physically challenging.

Join us on a riveting journey across Europe, filled with eerie encounters and historical energies in iconic locations like the Coliseum in Rome. Experience the thrilling tales of martial arts training under legends like Hoyce and Hickson Gracie, grappling with renowned fighters, and the spiritual connections that come with such a path. From personal anecdotes and miraculous stories to preparations for prestigious wrestling tournaments in Wigan, this episode is an electrifying blend of supernatural insight and martial arts mastery that promises to captivate and inspire.

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Chapters

• 1:24 Our Guest Erik Paulson
• 1:49 Unraveling Supernatural Entities and Prayers
• 13:24 Clearing Negative Energy and Protection
• 24:40 Exploring Ancient Wisdom and Controversial Topics
• 33:55 Dangers of AI and Fact-Checking
• 44:09 Journey Through Europe and Supernatural Encounters
• 55:30 Fighting and Martial Arts Journey
• 1:03:17 MMA Training and Grappling Stories
• 1:10:54 Fighting and Spiritual Connections
• 1:21:17 Prayers, Preparations, and Future Predictions
• 1:29:59 Legendary Martial Arts Stories and Wisdom
• 1:34:47 Wrestling and Metaphysics Discussion
• 1:38:58 Journey to Win Catch Wrestling Championships

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible. We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

Erik Paulson: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:30

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show it's obvious.

Erik Paulson: 0:34

The aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge. We're just one planet. They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:44

This is real they really did fake the moon.

Erik Paulson: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The Bulldog Ball I want you to read the Bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party Called the Anti-Masonic Party. At a point in the United States, the Global Pandemic Treaty Conspiracy and Chill Podcast. Do you remember where we were at? You said specifically that you would see a black spiky ball Squid-like, yeah, or spiky squid-like things.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:35

Yeah, I look like alfalfa.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:39

And this was while you were fighting too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:42

Yeah, this has been ongoing since I was a little kid. Part two yes, part two.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:51

Possible supernatural disruption. But we're back Possible.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:54

Yeah, yeah, probably, definitely was. I had to do a clarion after that too, just because a lot of times when you talk about the dark ones or the bad stuff, they listen in and then they come through. So you got to do a prayer of protection and then power of authority clearance. Have you guys ever heard of it?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:21

No.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:23

It's from Mark Hargrave and Mark Hargrave has it's called the prayer of covering and the power of authority prayer, and when I worked at the chapel, the first thing you do is a power of deliverance and the power of deliverance is a power of authority prayer. And when you do the power of authority prayer, the whole objective is with that is to see what manifests during that prayer. If people glitch, or if they start crying or laughing, or sometimes they can't pronounce words, they stutter. Uh, it's, the whole thing is designed to cut cords of past, things that are attached. You could have. Sometimes you have hexes or spells that were placed on you as a little child. You have hereditary demons and seals, which some of them attract poverty, sickness, any infirmities, bad luck, things like that. And that's created from, not created, it's just. Sometimes when you're born it's passed on. It's a hereditary seal, it's a DNA seal, it comes from your forefathers and it's a hybrid. So it's half quiet, half loud Sorry.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:54

We can't hear anything on our end? Okay good.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:57

So, yeah, I think everyone in the world should do a Power of Authority prayer, because what it does it cuts all ties, it cuts attachments, it cuts. Sometimes we make deals in our sleep or we agree upon things, so it cuts all contracts and creates you back as a sovereign human being. Because we are sovereign from God, divine individuals, divine power. We have the divine spark within us and so you can take that authority back by doing the power of authority and power of prayer protect. It's called prayer of covering from Mark Hargrave, so if you look him up, you can actually punch on it and then download it or print it and then keep it around. And then it's best when you do it with two or three people or more. So I'll do that with. I did it with my uh new fight team and, uh, a couple of guys. You could tell they were dealing with some issues. When they did it, one guy guy started crying and he couldn't repeat words. He couldn't say words. So a lot of times when we go through it, I will say repeat after me and I'll read the prayer out and then, after I read it, they have to repeat the word. So I'll go through a half a sentence and they repeat it. And if they can't repeat some of the words or they can't remember, sometimes whatever's in them is trying to stop them from repeating it. So I say it again, say it again, I say it again until they can say it without stuttering it, and then we move forward. It's not that much, it's actually two paragraphs. The prayer of covering is a is a lot bigger, but that covers everything. But if you're ever gonna, you know, try to try to cut cords and ties or you feel like you have a curse or a hex from your past or from the past relationship, just remember we get courted to all the people that we deal with. We get corded. So sometimes you have an attachment with somebody still because you're still corded to them. So you got to cut those cords and you actually ask God, the Father, lord Jesus, holy Spirit, to send forth Archangel Michael and Archangel Raphael to cut all cords, to cut all cords, cut all cords. Cut all cords. Neutralize the cords, take the cords straight to Creator and Archangel Raphael. Pull out all the roots, all debris, all non-beneficial thought patterns, any implants, any negative thought patterns, anything that's been placed in on or around my field. Remove it now. Remove it now, remove it now, neutralize it, take it to creator. Now I ask for a final cleanse on myself and anyone else involved, and that's the cord cutting from St Michael.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:59

If you want to look it up, it's from a guy named Wayne Brewer, and Wayne Brewer has a really good protocol for cutting cords, removing entities, removing a karmic demon that's attached to everyone from birth, that records all your sins. If you look him up and just research it, it's pretty interesting. The other thing is repent and ask for forgiveness, which is the big one, and then, if you accept Christ as your Savior, ask him in your heart. That's a big one, and that's what most people need to do, because they've never done it. They've never said like is you say thank you for my life, I'm sorry, please forgive me, and I love you, and you could say it in that order Thank you, I love you, please forgive me, I'm sorry, thank you, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I love you. You keep repeating that, those four phrases, and it's like a mantra, but it's to clear your energy. It's extremely important. You should do it every day. Hana, awana, pono, I'm not saying it right? So, if you look it up, though, if you're having problems with financial issues. You can ask for. You can do the prayer of Jabez.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:18

I had a friend that was a baller.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:20

He used to make a lot of money baller. He's making a lot of money. And I said what, besides the fact, do you do to create so much wealth? And he said I do the prayer of Jabez with my wife every day. And he said look it up, just look it up and then try it. So silently I looked it up, I learned it and I started doing it every day out in the grass and my meditation out in the ice bath. And Tanya said hey, what have you been doing lately? I go why she goes your seminars, you have privates, you have intensives, you have so many things. You're getting booked. You're getting phone call after phone. You're getting them. What have you been doing? And I was like, wow, it really does work. It's a prayer manifestation for wealth. It's basically it's called the Prayer of Jabez. Oh, that you would bless me, that you would help broaden my territory, that you'd place your gracious hand upon me, protect me from all evil and all harm, that I do no evil and no harm for others To others. Amen.

Erik Paulson: 9:31

That's it. I'm going to start doing it five times a day.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:35

At what point did it click that some of the stuff you were experiencing and, like you know, the entities or whatever else was possibly from rolling with people?

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:48

After I'd roll back in the 80s and 90s. A lot of times, when you have a bunch of hard rolls, you would take off your shirt and your shorts and then you'd go across the street and get some food with your buddies. You'd have some food or a beer and sit down and laugh and talk and then you know if you don't, one of the big things is showering.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:14

Oh man, yeah, that's immediately where my head went. I was like I can't imagine going and just hanging out for hours after.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:19

Well, a lot of people do that. They think because of the bacteria on your body. It's good, it builds antibodies, possibly true, but you also have energy on your body, so like if you have funk in your brain, if you're going through a mental dilemma, if you're depressed, whatever those are, those are clumps of energy and they attach. So I had a guy whose friend just got killed. He was driving his car and he borrowed my friend's car and he said let me take your car. It was a really fast car. He took it out and he went. He did a U-turn around and hit a median, rolled the car, hit the ground, went up in the air, hit the ground, exploded, blew up and he burnt in the car. And what does he do? He shows up at my gym and he goes. Guess what? My friend just caught on fire in my car, rolled my car, it exploded and he died.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:19

Next thing, you know, he jumps on the floor and he's rolling and he jumps on me. He jumped right on me and we started rolling and I go hey, are you sure you should be rolling? He goes I, I gotta get my mind off this and I go. You shouldn't even be here right now, you know, and uh, next thing, you know, I rolled with them. I wrote them for about 45 minutes and then all of a sudden, uh, when we were done rolling, he was a happy-go-lucky and cheerful felt like my best friend just died. So we transferred energy and that's how I knew that I was pulling stuff off people. I would roll with a bunch of people and then I would have nightmares and I'm like man, these aren't my dreams. I was having other people's dreams, like I was another person. It was really odd.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:08

And, like you said, you were doing massage, all types of things. Working at a bar, I could totally see it. And my time as a trainer. I have some wild stories I'm sure you do as well, like the first time people meeting me. I've never met this person in their life. It's their first day at the gym training and they tell me some crazy shit. Within like five minutes of talking They'll be like oh yeah, yesterday my boyfriend died of an overdose or oh, my family's really sick, just like always really terrible things. And I guess I feel good that they were comfortable to tell me that right off the bat, like something about me was telling them they could do that, but at the same time I was like man, I don't even know how to handle this. We're just doing a.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:49

MIT workout Therapy is separate Therapy is separate. So a lot of times when you're a trainer, you're a therapist.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:56

A hundred percent.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:58

So you have to set boundaries.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:01

So, like with my guys, what I'll do is we'll start training, we'll do a ton of drills and we'll go through stuff and we'll roll a little bit and then we'll stop and then we'll just talk about something that's currently out and about or something crazy or whatever, and everyone's got something to say, and so we get into a half hour discussion and then we go back and start rolling again.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:24

What happens a lot of times when you are fixing somebody which is holding pads, when you're holding pads for people, they feel compelled. Or if you're training them and lifting, or if you're giving them a massage, they feel compelled that they have to dump their, their daily stress off on you and let you know what's going on. For one thing, they are doing that and it is happening and you know, maybe that's the healing quality that's attracting them to you, because a lot of people need to talk to people. There's a lot of mental health today because people sit and live on their phones and there's no personal contact. People aren't calling people anymore. They'd rather text and send messages than have a full on personal conversation.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:17

That's yeah, that's a good point and I got a question for you and I think I already know what your answer is going to be. But, uh, when I would be at one of the gyms I worked at after hours and at night, it was creepy and all the bags would be swinging like by themselves sometimes and I'm like it makes sense though this. There's so much energy being dumped here, like people release all their stuff just like wailing on the bags and, uh, there was definitely a lot of people also like uh being scumbags and like cheating on their significant other or whatever at the gym, in the cardio kickboxing classes and just all types of weird energy. And I think, dude, I swear the gym has negative energy just dumped here and that's why it's haunted. So have you ever experienced anything like that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:57

I clear my gym. I clear my gym at least once a week. Uh, I I obviously use uh prayer but uh, I use. Some people say, oh, don't use sage. Sage does work. First of all, sage doesn't get rid of demons, but it does get rid of entities. They don't like the smell. It smells like burnt rubber. And what I do is I leave my cameras on at night and I will sage the whole gym. And when I sage the gym I usually play the shofar. Shofar is the ram's horn and by playing the shafar when I pray I call in the angels, through God and the Holy Spirit, to send forth the angels, to assign the angels to clear my building.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:40

Michael Gabriel, Uriel Raphael, northeast, south and west, top and bottom, ceiling to floor, wall to wall. So I do a prayer of cleansing, like that. I ask them to clear and grab anything that's hiding in any place in the gym, because sometimes people bring stuff in and it likes that energy, so it tends to stick around the energy where all the violence and hard activities are. So sometimes it's good to bring a healer in your school, like a massage therapist. That's a good balance. But if not, you're going to have to clear your gym, craig Funk, one of my guys in Michigan.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:22

Craig was constantly having tons of that stuff there and he goes hey, what do you think this is? I said, turn your lights off and film at night, let me see. And he had orbs shooting everywhere. Now some orbs are dust particles, but the ones that shoot and and you'll see him spin and then go left and go right, those are spirits. And if you see like diamonds, those are guides. Those are higher level spirits. They aren't usually earthbound spirits or disincarnates. Those are usually guides or angels. A lot of times an angel will look like a kite or a box. You'll see a square. That's usually like a guardian or a guide.

Erik Paulson: 17:12

But yeah, if you have that lingering around your gym.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:15

You're gonna have to. You can also use salt, consecrated salt, on your door. You have the salt blessed and then you use coarse. I used to use coarse kosher salt and salt my doors. And then, uh, there's something from holographic health you can get and it's the best thing I I would recommend everyone in the world by. It's called, uh, delete and what it is. It's a. It's a little ball. Oh, let me. I think I have about, let me it. I'll just show it to you guys. All right, okay, this is. It's called Delete, it's from holographichealthcom. And then this is called an EarthSafe Pocket Harmonizer. This thing, it stays on, it pulses in front of your bed, it puts electromagnetic waves out that don't allow dark ones to manifest in your room. So you can get these for your house and there's different sizes. They're holographic health cells. This little one is good enough for a room, for a bedroom, but you can get them for your house, you can get them for your gym and it changes the frequency in your gym also.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:26

You have one at the gym, I'm assuming.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:29

Actually I don't. I have something different At my gym. I have, so I make these. Oh yeah, I have one. Yeah, the Organites. So I have these all over the place.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:39

These have energy and power, as long as they're clear. You can clear these things. But uh, you know, there's the saint michael, that one's good. There's uh, there's prayer and protection in all of them. That's uh infused into the liquid when it's being created. There's prayer put into it. I also put music and then light and then usually some holy oil or holy water, and these are good, for they help fight depression.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:10

These things help fight depression if you keep them in your pockets. They have their own energy field so you could feel them and they raise your frequency. Also, you can keep them on your phone for protection against EMFs. This is called selenite. I have a selenite ball. Sometimes I put it under my pillow and it sucks all negative energy off.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:35

That works really well too, because some people just you know, and the biggest thing more than anything someone says, oh, I've got this tree, I wear this tree around my neck for protection. I go. How about a cross with Jesus on it? That works just as good. Or just having you know knowledge of God's protection, or a white bubble of light surrounding and protecting you. That's extremely important. It doesn't have to be in a talisman, although things like an organite they help, but this isn't the bottom line. The Holy Spirit's going to protect you more than anything and if you are ever under attack, the word Jesus is the most powerful name you can say. You could say God, you can call for Michael, but it's the word Jesus that makes them flee and deter and take off, but it's the word Jesus makes them flee and deter and take off. So that's one of the biggest things and everyone knows that. Until it comes to, you know, they want to. Some people laugh and they deny it, until what happens is they're under attack and then suddenly they go oh, jesus. And then all of a sudden, oh right, and they go, oh.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:42

So you know, some people have to figure out for themselves. You know it's like, uh, when I was little, I didn't. I didn't like acting, I hated singing and I couldn't dance in front of people. I didn't like any of that stuff. And, uh, I thought it was cheesy. And then I would go to church and I'd sit there and listen to everyone talk and I was like this sounds cheesy, I don't know. It just didn't. It felt different to me, like I'm like, ok, we're doing all this stuff. Why do we have to do all this stuff? Why do you have to say all these things? And then later I found out it was just basically about connecting and having a relationship with God more than more than repeating a bunch of prayers or mantras or whatever they are.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:32

But there are many different forms of prayer, ways to pray and then also meditating. Prayer is asking and meditating is receiving. So I think that people need to know the difference between both. Some people never pray unless they're in trouble. Or they say, oh, please, please, give me a thousand dollars so I can pay rent this month, or something like that. You know, sometimes it's emergency. God's number isn't 911. So regularly, I think if you have a relationship, you can kind of manifest and ask for things and like-mindedness also helps. If you're with somebody that has the same mindset as you, it's a lot easier. What's that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:13

Definitely Same frequency with multiple people.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:17

That's right, that's a powerful room. That's a real powerful room.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:22

Like-mindedness is real, real powerful so attention, break free from naysayers yeah, well, there are a lot.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:30

I mean, I have friends that are naysayers. I have friends that are completely opposite and a lot of things they. I have friends that are atheists. I have friends that believe they want other people in charge of the United States, and I'm not going to sit here and you know, in the end I'll tell them connect to God. That's all I'll tell them. But if you say you like spaghetti and I like pasta, you know I'm not going to argue and say, hey, if you don't like pasta, you're not my friend. I can't listen to you talk about pizza, right, who cares? It's free will. You could say whatever you want, and that's what the beauty of being an individualist is is having the ability to be different than people you know. And, and the thing is, is why can't we, why can't we have a civil conversation just about things? There's just a lot of hatred, I think, and that hatred contaminates the person's ability to reason. With things, there's no reasoning, there's no ability to talk about some things, because the mind's made up right. They're not open to listen. I think we need that more.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:45

So today, you know, we're uh, everything's so polarized, everything's so separated, and that's the biggest way to keep keep unity apart is just to segregate everybody and bring them up, bring everybody apart. You know, one guy says I love jiu-jitsu, the other guy I love catch wrestling. I'm like we'll put them together. We got a pretty good combo, right? Yeah, no doubt right like. And then if you go back, jiu-jitsu, kind of the roots were catch wrestling because a lot of the old judokas and jiu-jitsu guys were doing catch wrestling to support themselves or carnival wrestling, you know. So put the gi on, take the gi off, it doesn't matter yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:32

I mean I wrote a book with two guys American Submission Wrestling, and there was a lot of typos. We hired a guy to go through all our typos in the book and apparently he should have been fired because we had so many typos. One guy said he looked like a kindergartner who wrote the book, but that was his deal. All the typos weren't corrected. But anyways, we gave homage to all the different people and we showed Count Koma Maeda, mitsu Maeda. We showed him in wrestling in little bikini, wrestling shorts, doing a half Nelson with a leg spiral, and we talked about him as a catch wrestler and a carnival wrestler. Back in the old days he had over a thousand matches. That's how he supported himself. To travel around and try to promote judo wouldn't allow the competition like that, so he had to call it jiu-jitsu. So that's why when he went to to uh, brazil and argentina and all over the place, he wasn't allowed to call it judo. He had to call it jiu-jitsu because of the fighting aspect right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:44

it's uh funny mention that tomorrow I'm actually wrestling at a carnival. There's a folk style wrestling duel at a carnival that I'm doing with some guys from my gym and I did it last year, so that's a pretty nice fun throwback. And then the next day, sunday, I'm doing uh, you know what collar and elbow is right? Yeah, we're doing that on Irish Fest this Sunday. Wow, two days in a row Carnival.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:08

Carnival wrestling that's cool. Keep it alive.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:11

And then in a weekend after that I'm back in Wigan with Andrea and them for the Snake Pit tournament.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:18

Oh, okay, they have another tournament coming up, yeah, world.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:20

Champions in Wigan, England Wow.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:25

Who won it over there? I know Angel went over there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:28

I won it last year. Oh you won it.

Erik Paulson: 26:30

Wow, that's great.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:32

That's how I met them. That's how I became friends with them. They invited me to come to your gym and train with you and Josh and do that tournament, and that was a blast.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:42

You were a wrestler and then you started 10th Planet. Is that how it worked?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:47

Yeah, I wrestled since I was little and then high school. I started doing MMA at first, but I kept getting severe eye injuries. It was like no matter what something would happen with my eyes. I would get scratched corneas, even to the point I had to grapple in goggles for a while.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:04

You have a curse or something on your eyes.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:09

It was really starting to feel like that for a while.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:12

Yeah, that's what the power of authority is for. For that, you could actually cut that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:16

I'm going to have to. It almost felt like I was being pushed more towards the wrestling and grappling aspect, as well than the MMA route.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:26

As bad as I wanted so you won't get hit in the eyes.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:29

What's up, you wouldn't get hit in the eyes so much yeah, I mean I have I do spar now again, but for a few years, like there was, I couldn't even get grazed in the eye a little bit or I'd be like wincing in pain or on the ground and I really did think like, wow, is there some sort of like do around my eyes somehow?

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:46

And you could have, yeah, generational curse. You could have had something. Uh, again, some people think it's past life stuff. It could be something in your past. You know residual situation. Some guys are going to watch us and say that, that we're off the beaten path talking about you know what? You know how many books were taken out of the Bible?

Erik Paulson: 28:13

Yeah, many. The Council of Nicaea, didn't they vote on which ones they wanted in and out?

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:18

Yeah, look at the Apocrypha and all the different things that were taken out. There was a thing a lady just gave her, her grandmother gave her a Bible. It was from 1897, and they were saying that they couldn't believe all the Bibles or all the books that were taken out, the Book of Jasper and all these other things. There's a book called the Other Bible, no the Other, yeah, the Other Bible, no the Other, maybe Other Gospels, and it's got all of the other ones in there that were taken out Interesting. Some of them are very powerful.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:57

My friend went through a theology course and he said heresy, all heresy, because that's what they deem it is heresy. But here's the deal. If it was scripture and it was written back then and historically, wouldn't you want to kind of read it and just kind of see like why would they take this out? What's the reason? And and some of it was because it was empowerment to keep the peasants down, literally, so they wouldn't believe that they could get killed from not paying their taxes and come, they could come back again and live another life. So some of that was taken out. So it's interesting to see. Um, I think I saved it. I saved it this morning for that purpose, if I can find it here. Wow, you got a carnival wrestler carnival wrestling coming out.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:50

That's pretty cool it's gonna be fun you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:52

Do you guys believe satellites are real or are they on balloons? Are satellites on balloons?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:57

probably. I've seen the balloon thing. Yeah, the helium, and do you, uh, do you think there's a firmament?

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:03

of course, of course it's, it's biblical. There's a firmament above and below to protect us from the waters and also to when the fallen angels were cast to Earth. How are you going to keep them here? How are you going to imprison them? Otherwise they could exalt themselves to go back to heaven, right? So one of the ways to keep them here is put a firmament over the, over our realm, as, uh, nikola tesla called it. He called it that we're living in a realm and there's many realms outside the ice wall. They're not up, they're out. Everyone thinks they're up, they're out. They're not up, they're not above us, they're out, beyond the ice walls. That's outer space and also the ocean. Look how much right there's unknown about the ocean, the life in the ocean and all the bases in the ocean and everything different life. And then also there's portals from the the walls, there's openings.

"$awbuck" Mike: 31:04

If you look at some of the maps from a long time ago, you, we got the ring, and then there's land outside the ring and then there's another ring, land outside the ring, and then it even shows that there's Valhalla out there. It shows that there is Asgard. It shows that all the different lands, land of giants, land of clones, they're all different realms, like we're living in around Mars is out there, not up. And it's funny because a lot of the, a lot of the stuff that they show like, oh, we've got a rover on Mars, you're in Canada, you're out in Canada on an island, and they found out where they were shooting it at and then all of a sudden you got a rat walking on the thing, or bubbles from space. We're in space, we're in the space. And then you got bubbles and the guy's string. Still. They forgot to take his string off. Um, photoshop it out. Guys, bounce around on a green screen or underwater oh yeah, a lot of space.

"$awbuck" Mike: 32:07

That's in a pool. He's a black belt or go core. He sent me a video, a perfect video, of the moon landing and I was like, wow, that's really cool, where'd you get that? And he goes oh, from my film teacher. He's a Black Cloud or Gold Corps. He sent me a video, a perfect video, of the moon landing and I was like, wow, that's really cool, where'd you get that? And he goes oh, from my film teacher here at LSU. And he goes. He was a student of Stanley Kubrick. They filmed the entire moon landing out here in the desert Faces. In the background they're showing the lights falling and because it was footage that was, they tried to erase it, like now nasa's even saying we never went to space what do you think they're getting ready to try and tell us space?

"$awbuck" Mike: 32:42

is out. It's not up. I don't believe it's up. You know, I did believe for a long time. I thought everyone was crazy. We talked about the whole flat earth thing. So it's like, apparently it's like a pair or a turtle, more like a parrot or a turtle the shape of the earth, because it's a shell type of deal, like a concave dish, yeah, and they have footage of, uh, this guy that went beyond the ice walls and he said look at this, and it was stands that were holding part of the firmament dome.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:23

And he, there was two videos that came up and disappeared like in two days and it showed the some of the stands. It looked like you ever seen those stands that hold the big bridges up uh-huh it was like that, but it was. It was out like that and like that, and then you could see the dome sitting over the whole thing attached to it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:38

I remember I had seen something that someone claimed was past the ice wall and there was like snowy pyramids and like Norse looking statues and stuff like well, there's all different types.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:51

They keep scrubbing. That's one of the things like. During covid I was friends with a group of people and then a couple ladies, and this lady had so much information stored in her facebook file she said I truly believe you're a patriot. I'm going to share this with you. Can you do me a favor and share this with as many people as you can Get this information out? And it was on everything.

"$awbuck" Mike: 34:25

So during the COVID time I was sending massive texts to all my friends. One of my friends from Canada goes, eric, quit sending me all this batshit crazy stuff and I said well, he didn't want to even look at it. And that's the thing Like when you're doing a ton of research and you're looking and looking and looking and going deeper and deeper and deeper into stuff. You're doing research, you're looking into as many things as to find as many credible sources as possible. Most people won't do that. So when you share something openly with somebody and they go, you're crazy. You know, like if you just walked up to somebody, go, my house is haunted. They go, what get out of here? You're nuts.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:09

But then if you tell them the backstory, you know, then all of a sudden they go oh, and there is just so much backstory because it all ties into something else, into something else and it is a lot to give someone at surface level.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:26

What do we focus on, though? Like I was so heavily into UFOs and Bigfoot and cryptic, all the cryptoids and all the weird stuff and ghosts, and I think, because of the fact that I was always on my mind, I think you attract all that stuff. It's your power of intention. And the second, I quit talking about it. They quit coming around me as much and I didn't notice them as much. So that's it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:55

What comes out of your mouth is what you attract, and, uh, I think sometimes there's a lot of things that we see today with with ai, ai generated images, and then that's another easy way for them to debunk stuff. If, if something is real, they say, say, oh that's AI, oh that's fake, but not everything's fake, but everyone will discount it. Now, oh that's fake, oh that's AI. So that's the problem. That's why you have to go through multiple sources to see if it's credible or not. And then the other thing you have to check to see do I really need to know this? Right, like about the guy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:40

So I was at dinner one time with my family and I said do you hear about the guy that created a car that was operated on water? And my brother's wife's parents, her dad goes that's not possible. They need gasoline and a spark to ignite. And I go well, this guy created a water-driven vehicle. And this guy was arguing with me, arguing, arguing devout Catholic. You know, eric, quit spreading this misinformation. And I go it's actually not. And then I looked at my dad. I go hey, dad, remember when I told you about that guy? He goes oh, I think I remember, but I didn't have anyone to back me up. He goes it's not possible. And then after he died God rest his soul uh, I find an article, not an article, I find the entire. It was on Instagram stories or Facebook stories, it was on a bunch of different things and it was talking about the guy there's more than one guy that created a vehicle that's operated with just water alone and they were killed.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:50

Yep.

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:51

So it's just funny how someone, if they don't want to believe you, they just tell you full of crap and and they, you know, just try to debunk everything. So, like my wife says, know your audience. True, when you're talking to people, you know, be careful who you're talking to, because not everyone that's smiling at you is your friend, nor do they believe you and they're also judging you. And that happens a lot, you know, and that's why I always try to remain quiet when I'm around a bunch of people, because I don't like to open my blabber, which I've had a habit of doing in the past you don't need to blow your cover.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:30

You don't need to reveal your power level to everybody and then everyone goes what the hell?

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:34

he's crazy or a mad scientist. There's a difference, you know. If you don't do research, then and you just spout things off, then you know you're talking out your ass. But if you one of my friends said I'm a critical thinker, quit sending me this shit, you know, and I go okay. Well then, I guess I'm not. I'm not a. I'm a critical thinker, quit sending me this shit, and I go okay. Well then, I guess I'm not. What is a critical thinker anyways? What is a critic? Someone who just sits and critically thinks about things Like in depth, is that what that is, or what is it? Is it a scientist that goes into case study after case study?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:13

I think the definition of it is just critic, criticizing everything that everyone else says. That's all he does.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:19

Oh, you mean a fact checker? Fact checker, the fact checkers are the ones that need to be fact checked. Zuckerberg, while he was actually sitting on the stand, they asked him about fact checking and they said it's opinion-based. Admit it, fact checking. And they said it's opinion based. Admit it, he said it's opinion based. We hired these people that have their opinions and if they read it and they don't agree, they they say that's not true. Fact checkers need to be fact checked. Quit fact checking. Like for real. Do your own, man. If you get sent something, don't go to Snopes and fact check it. Do your own research. Go check it out yourself. Go check out multiple sources.

Erik Paulson: 40:03

As Eddie Bravo would say look into it, Look into it?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:08

Do you think AI is demonic?

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:12

I think it's yes, I do yeah, yeah I think that's where it's going yeah, the fallen angels. They don't have bodies anymore. They don't have their bodies. They're in another dimension and they can. They can come through that way. That's an easy way. Uh, what is siri? Is it sir Siri? Or what's the other one, alexa? Tell it to turn off its third eye and then ask it a question, or turn on its third eye. Turn on your third eye and then ask it a question. What happens? It reveals the truth.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:45

Oh, I've watched it but I never interact with those things. I've never spoken to an AI and said hey, Siri, you don't have to Well, you actually do.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:52

every day. You're around them Because they're listening.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:54

Yeah, for sure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:59

It's a CIA listening device or NSA? No doubt that's what they're for. So in the new world order, they can listen in on everybody. And there's more things that can listen in on you than just that, alexa. You know your washing machine, your TVs, your smart TVs that are off. They're not off. Your phones can listen to you all the time.

Erik Paulson: 41:26

They're always connected to the internet, even when they're off right, so they have some kind of conductivity.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:32

Even when you say, man, I really got to go to the bathroom and then all of a sudden you hear a toilet making noise. It's calling you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:39

Smart toilets now too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:41

Yeah, I have one of those. I got neck surgery. Best gift I got from my buddy was a bidet. You guys have a bidet, I don't.

Erik Paulson: 41:52

I've used one once. Yeah, don't have oneet. You guys have a bidet.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:54

I don't. I've used one once. Yeah, don't have one, you gotta get one. I sit on that thing for hours. No, I'm kidding, let's wear one. No, it's the best thing ever, and once you have one, everywhere you go you wish there's a bidet.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:14

You get spoiled, spoiled butthole.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:16

It's great. I mean, first of all, you don't have to use half a roll of toilet paper, you just use the bidet and then like two sheets is good, then you wash your hands.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:30

That's an experience I'll have to have.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:32

Yeah Well, I experienced it in Japan. And then when I got back I'm like man. And then I went to Europe and they had them. And then I worked on the movie American Ninja 5 in Venezuela and there was one in my room and I walk into my room and I go what is this? Two toilets? And I turn the thing on and it shot a stream of water in my mouth because I was looking down and I was like oh and I drank.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:07

I drank like two pints of toilet water and I had dysentery. I lost 25 pounds on the set I I was literally the next day. It was just coming out of both ends venezuelan toilet water.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:24

Oh my gosh, I drank. I drank like two huge pints of water, not on purpose, and then I moved my head and it was hitting the ceiling, so I turned it off. It was dripping on my head. And then the other thing somebody, nobody, told me that I should brush my teeth with bottled water. So I was brushing my teeth with tap water and that's how I got dysentery also.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:50

What are some of your favorite places? You traveled in your career in teaching and fighting.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:56

Scotland. I love Edinburgh, scotland. I like the country itself. I've only been to Ireland one time. I liked Ireland. I have family in Ireland also, in ireland also. Uh, I like germany. I've been to germany many times, 25 years. Uh, italy, I go time. I go to torino. I've been to rome and um milan, but I I go to torino every year and I really like it there. I have a lot of good friends there. And uh, sweden, I used to go to stockholm and oops, sweden, I used to go to Stockholm and Uppsala. I loved Sweden. I didn't like the cigarette smoking. Everyone smoked cigarettes in the nightclubs. I didn't like that. But stay out of nightclubs. I guess you wouldn't have to worry, right? Did you go to the Coliseum in Rome? Yes, I've been to the Coliseum. How was that? I was there last year. It's cool, it's cool, it's big, it's cool. I snuck in and I got in trouble. I got caught sneaking around and I just wanted to feel the energy.

Erik Paulson: 45:03

Insane right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:05

Yeah, I mean, if you realize that they used to fill that thing full of water and have battles, ship battles, ship battles, then they would dry it out and they'd have all the barbaric fights amongst all the gladiators they used to have and then let the lions loose. You could even see the pens where they were holding the slaves. I have pictures of that. It's crazy. There's so much history there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:37

That is nuts.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:39

I've never been to Romania, but I've heard you can feel that there's a lot of torturous energy there, and also Poland too. I felt a lot of repressed energy in Poland, real repressed, and I took a picture at my friend's school and he had a thousand orbs in his school just floating around everywhere. I was like, wow, the energy in your gym is super heavy and I had wondered if, like, maybe it was something before that One of my friends have his school used to be an abortion clinic. Oh my God, yeah. And he had a demon, I'm sure, in in the on one side of his. On the side that was abortion clinic, there was a demon that was stuck there and it was scary to turn off the lights. You were afraid, you get scared, like you could feel it. It was like a demon of fear, it was kind of scary.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:44

Yeah, that's the last place I would want my gym.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:47

That was Greg Nelson.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:48

Man.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:51

That was Greg Nelson's school in Minnesota. He had that for a while. It was just weird. One side was scary, the other side wasn't, and you could kind of feel it. It felt really kind of dark. You got rid of it. No, he moved out and opened a huge place. Now he has a very huge, thriving gym. He's a great coach. John Greg Nelson is one of the best MMA coaches in the world. He's got many black belts he's created throughout the years Wrestled at the University of Minnesota.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:25

Him and I were gymnasts. We competed against each other in high school and then I saw him at Minnesota Kali Group in 1982. And he was kicking tie pads and sparring with Rick Fay with all the hockey gear on and they were going at it with double sticks, stick and dagger. I think one guy had sticks, another guy had a staff. Then one time they had a baseball bat versus a double stick and I walked in and I go, oh man, this is cool. And he walked in. And I go, oh man, this is cool. And he walked over. He goes, we're not open yet and they slammed the door in my face. I was, I think, a sophomore or junior in high school and I had to sit outside and wait till the gym opened. But yeah, I just had Greg at my school. Greg went through stage four cancer not HodHodgkin's and beat it.

Erik Paulson: 48:17

Amazing Stage four. Wow, that's crazy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:20

Yes, non-hodgkin's lymphoma. I knew he had cancer before they diagnosed him with cancer. We went to a restaurant and we sat down. He said my back's hurting. I said did you get hit or from training? He goes, no. So I said well, let me come to your house. And I went to his house and I worked on him for about two hours and, uh, massaged him and adjusted him and I said go upstairs and take a hot bath. I'm gonna call you and see how you feel on my way home. So I called him and he, uh, he said he didn't feel any better and all of a sudden I started automatic writing.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:58

I got home and started writing. I was in the bathtub, I went, took a hot bath, hot salt bath and I started writing. I was just scribbling and I left the scribbles on my mom's bed, dried off and got dressed, and she goes hey, what's that? What's that writing on my bed? And I go. I was in the bathtub and I had all these thoughts coming to me and I just started writing them down really fast. And she goes what are all the droplets of water on it? And I go oh, those are my tears. And she goes why, what's wrong? And I go, I think what's stage four, non-hodgkin's lymphoma? And she goes that's a death sentence. She goes, why do you ask that? And I go I think that's what Greg has. And she goes well, why would you say that? And I go, I don't know I and she goes, well, why would you say that? And I go, I don't know. I don't know who told me that, but that's what I kept thinking. It's stage four, not Hodgkin's lymphoma.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:04

And then a week later I get a phone call that says hey, do you know? Greg Nelson's in the hospital. And I go, he is. And they go yeah, did you hear what happened? And I go, she got cancer. She goes. Who told you? I was like, oh my gosh, that was weird. It freaked me out because I knew.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:19

I knew when I put my hands on him, that he was sick. He had a tumor on his liver and a tumor on his kidneys. Doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't party, do drugs. So you can't tell me that's not hereditary, right? That's something from the past. How do you get a huge, you know, eight inch or eight millimeter? These tumors he had were huge. They kind of happened at the same time, but Greg was a Buddhist before he got saved and uh, he you know he's into thai boxing and anyways he went to thailand and when he got saved he got attacked.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:08

He had a demon come in and just land on him. This black thing, like a blanket, just covered him. And same thing, he said, like jesus, and the thing would just like took off off of him. He watched it come off, go off of him. It's like a black blanket. That's what he was getting saved. And then he went to thailand and he's walking down the street with uh, two of his buddies and a wooden spear out of the forest comes and hits him right in the middle of the back. It's like a, he said it was like an eight foot spear thrown from someone in the jungle Just hit him right in the middle of the back and dropped him to his knees. He's lucky it wasn't sharpened, that is crazy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:51

Yeah, yeah, he could profess that. But he also. He also had an angel in his room that appeared to him and that worked on him and healed him. I had no idea. He said it looked like a Asian, tall Asian man. Him and his mom talked to him for like four hours and Greg couldn't be touched and the uh, this guy said let me put my hands on you. He goes, I can't, nobody could touch me. He goes. If you touch me at, my skin burns with the chemo and he goes just let me put my hands on you and comfort you, put his hands on him, started working on him, him. And then he goes. He's working on his body. He's like, oh, okay, you're not hurting me. And he goes okay, that should be about it. Okay, all right, you're gonna be fine, just wanna let you know you're gonna be fine. I hope you feel better. And then he left. Next morning he was like I'm gonna be fine. They went to sleep. Next morning the nurse comes in Him and his mom go.

"$awbuck" Mike: 52:59

Hey, whoever that nurse was that worked on Greg last night was amazing, because he was such a fine young man. I was talking to him the whole time and he was working on Greg and the lady goes what are you talking about? She goes the nurse that was on duty, that was working on Greg. She goes I'm the nurse on duty, there was no other nurse here and his mom's like, but we were talking to him all night long. She goes there's no other nurse here, that was Greg's. Greg didn't tell me that until geez, five years after all that happened.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:37

I did four benefits for him. I did four benefits for Terry Gibson, also another martial artist. He had brain cancer and you know when people get sick I like to do something for them. So Greg and I were like brothers, so I did a bunch of seminars and just donated the proceeds to his family to help with medical bills. Pretty crazy. I think that's very valuable for you to do stuff like that, because you got to give it back, definitely. What does it take? Your time, what's your time? You know, if you love somebody and you do something for somebody, that will come back to you someday. I didn't do it for that reason. I did it so Greg would be healed and help his family out during the million-dollar struggle for cancer. You know he had two cancers. It's crazy. Now he's thriving, he's back. I mean he's super blessed, blessed. God looks after him. Now his school is thriving, he's doing seminars, he's got guys fighting. Uh, you know greg? Do you know him at all? I think so. Yeah, greg nelson. He's in brooklyn park, minnesota.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:57

He owns a gym called the academy I'm sure I might not just be putting a face to the name at the moment.

Erik Paulson: 55:03

John Shirk, dave Manet, okay, for sure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:06

Tommy. He was on Brock's team. He was Brock's coach. He brought me onto Brock's team with him.

Erik Paulson: 55:14

Can I ask you a fighting question? Kind of bring it full circle to where we started this. I wanted to know if you were a participant in the very first UFC. How do you think you would have fared? I think you would have done very, very well.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:30

I was training with Hoyce and Horian and then I went to Hickson's and they said that they're doing the UFC and they're looking for a shoot fighter from Japan. And they said they're doing the ufc and they're looking for a shoot fighter from japan. And I they said, would you be interested? And I said what is this in? They go the ultimate fighting championship. But I said, well, isn't horian putting that on? So I thought it was a tournament, so, like you would fight all these other guys, but they, ultimately you're going to end up fighting. If you get through the tournament, you fight. You would have to fight my brother and Hoyce was my teacher, also my friend, and I was his bartender.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:13

He used to come in and drink cranberry and orange juice at my bar. I worked at a beach bar in manhattan beach and all the, all the gracies and machados used to come in and I used. It was a fun dance place and there's a lot of hot beach girls there that they would come in and see and it was a fun dance place anyways. They asked me. I said I'd be interested to fight as the shoot fighter if you guys would choose me. And they said, well, we're looking at another guy too and I said, well, what's his name? They go, ken Wayne Shamrock. He's a shoot fighter from Japan. And I said, oh, he fights in Pancrase. That's not shoot wrestling. I go, that's Pancrase, it's different. There's Shuto, which is shoot wrestling, but I didn't realize they called it all shoot Shoot fighting was kind of a generalization. The style, you know, was submission wrestling, catch wrestling, submission wrestling, fighting style.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:16

And so I was training at the Gracie's and then I was training with Hickson and he said well, you can look at it like this If you want to try to fight, because I was doing acting and modeling, so I was trying to. Every time I get a it was considered an audition. Every time you get an audition you go to the audition and then Sometimes it was for a fight, sometimes it was for a movie, sometimes it was for commercials or stunts. So one of the big reasons I didn't fight was because Hickson said if you compete in this you might fight my brother, and if you fight my brother I can't train you anymore. So they chose Kenway and Shamrock.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:59

I was at the first UFC. I sat in the audience, I was there and I just fought in Japan before that and won. I was the first American to fight in Shudo in 1993 and win. I beat the strongest ground guy in Shudo at the time and then I went to Denver in November I think it was October or November for the fight and I was in the audience and I remember Hoyce coming down the hallway after he fought Gerard Gordeau and he goes look at my ear, he bit my ear, that mofo bit my ear.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:39

Look at my ear, and he had a big ear. He bit my ear, that mouthful bit my ear. Look at my ear. He was like and he had a big, huge hole in his ear. But, um, that's one of the reasons why I didn't do it. But then later on I fought an extreme fighting because there were no gracies except for health. But it wasn't a tournament, there were single fights. So that's why I fought an extreme fighting in a tournament. There were single fights. So that's why I fought in extreme fighting. And then I fought in World Combat Championship, which was bare-knuckle fighting. It was a tournament. It was a dumb tournament where there was a striker's division and there was a grappler's division and I went in for the commercial. I auditioned for the commercial with the director of John Wick and we got the part. So we auditioned for the commercial with the director of John Wick and we got the part. So we got the part.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:22

We were the guys doing all the martial arts demos and they go hey, do either one of you guys fight. And I go yeah, chad fights. And he goes no, eric fights. I go no, chad, chad's a fighter, he just fought in Japan. He goes no, eric just fought in Japan. And then they go would you ever fight in an event like this? I go, no way, that way. That's crazy. You could die. This is bare knuckle, right. I mean, that was literally the thought that you could die and something like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:47

So next thing, you know, I went and they said well, would you want to be an alternate? And I said what are the odds of fighting? And they go 20%. Next morning I get a phone call. They go percent. Next morning I get a phone call. They go so-and-so, pulled out, you're in. I go oh, I am. And they go yeah, uh, what am I? Am I in the grappling division, though you go no, the strikers division. I go that's okay, I could do both. So I called hickson. I asked him if it was okay. I said, hey, uh, sir, I just want to ask you if it's okay.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:20

I got asked to fight in a tournament. I'm an alternate. I don't know if I'm going to get in. If I do get in, I might have a fight or two. It's bare knuckle. But if I get to the end where I fight Henzo, he goes yeah, if you fight Henzo, I can't train you anymore, I go. So if I get in and I get to the point to fight Henzo, I can't train you anymore, I go. So if I get in and I get to the point to fight Henzo, I'll take a bye so I can continue to train with you. Is that okay? And he goes. Well, that's okay. Him and his wife said yeah, no problem. So I got in.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:48

I fought my first fight against Sean McCauley, bare knuckle. I won, took him down, got on to choke and then second fight, I fought james warren and it was about a 20, 18 or 24 minute fight. I had my hair pulled on national tv for about 18 minutes because I had a bun. I tried to cornrow it. Nobody could cornrow it. And I'm in north carolina. I was like how is there nobody that can cornrow my long hair in North Carolina? There's got to be somebody. I couldn't find anybody so I put it in a bun. The only reason I didn't cut it is because I had a movie.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:30

I was a Viking warrior in a Sinbad movie coming up. We're shooting in Morocco the next week with Daniel Bernhardt as the lead actor. Remember the movie Atomic Blonde? He was the bad guy in Atomic Blonde. Anyways, the blonde, he was the blonde but the bad guy. Anyways, he's been in Bloodsport 3, 4. He's been in all those. He does a lot of movie stuff. He's in John Wick, anyways, the movie got pushed. I didn't get the part. He's in John Wick, anyways, movie got pushed, I didn't get the part. Dang.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:02

I fought in the event, I got to the point almost to fight Henzo and then my corner threw in the towel because the guy was trying to stomp my hair and he had me by my ponytail and he was spinning me in a circle stomping the floor and my, my, me, in a circle stomping the floor and my, my chad, went crazy and throws a towel in because he, I couldn't get his.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:25

He had casts on his hands and I couldn't get his cast out of my hair. So his hands was locked in my hair in a, in a fist and, uh, he kept telling me give up, and I go let go of my hair. You, he goes, give up, give up, just tap out and I go make and I go let go of my hair, you, puss. He goes give up. Give up, just tap out. I go make me tap out. I go let go of my hair. Fight like a man and we were kneeing each other in the balls and stomping each other in the feet on the cage. My head was back, straight back, and he was holding my hair.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:03:01

Have you ever tried to fight with your head straight back in the air? It's really hard. I have trained and competed with super long hair, though, as well, and it sucks. Not like that, not like you're describing. Was that legal?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:12

Yeah, I went to Australia and the guy goes I know you are showing your fight. You're that bloke that got his hair pulled. Why didn't you cut your hair after the first time? And I was like I had a movie. I had a movie and it fell through. Damn, I ended up on Baywatch. I was a bad. I was a hockey player with long hair and I got to cross check. I got to hook a guy, steal the puck, shoot a goal and then cross check a guy off his feet. Nice, that ended up being seven grand.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:47

The Morocco thing would have been a lot of money. To win the WCC, even to have won James Waring, it would have been 32 grand. To beat Henzo. It would have been $120,000 to fight Henzo, to win, and they paid me $1,500 for two fights. Can you believe that? 1995. Damn, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:14

So after that, after that I went back to Hickson's and all the guys were talking. They're like, hey, what if you would have fought Henzo? And I go. Well, after that I went back to Hickson's and all the guys were talking they're like, hey, what if you would have fought Henzo? And I go. Well, I already said that if I got to that point I'd take a bye and I didn't fight him. So that's called speculation. So quit speculating and shut up you guys. If you want to see what it's like, you guys step into the cage and go bare-knuckle fight with a Muay Thai guy and a pro boxer. See how you fare Bare knuckle. Oh yeah, no grappling, by the way, guys.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:51

So after that, I drive to Hickson's, I get out of my car, I'm walking out and he meets me on his bicycle to inform me that I'm no longer allowed to train with him because of the students talking. They're all talking and they don't want you to train here anymore because you might fight one of my guys. And I was like but I am your guy, I am one of your guys, yes, but you train at another place also, the Inosano Academy. Yeah, so what? I send you students from there all the time. What's the problem with that? Well, you're not just my guy, you fight, but why? Because I'm not your black belt, because I'm your blue belt. That's why. So it's easy for him to kick me out. So he kicked me out. I got kicked out of there and I didn't even fight hentai and I think.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:38

I think the biggest fear was the fact that I could have. There could have been a point where I would have fought Henzo in an event like that and there were more events coming up, so they wanted to kick me out. So I was no longer a Hickson trained MMA fighter. Because he said now that you're a professional, I can't train you and I go. But I have been a professional fighting in Japan. He goes, yes, but now you're fighting in America and he goes. Now that you're a professional, I can't train you and I go. But I have been a professional fighting in Japan. He goes, yes, but now you're fighting in America and he goes. Some of my guys, well, you mean your family, your guys, meaning your family, not your students, your family, although Henzo was a student. So your guys are fighting in these events and I am too. So I guess there was a.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:21

It was just weird. I guarantee if that, if that happened again today, I wouldn't have gotten kicked out. People wouldn't kick someone out of their school for that today. But I was. I was back, I was caught in the political time warp. Then I had to beg the Machados to train there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:39

They came to my bar. They said how's your jiu-jitsu? I go, non-existent. I go, I'm just training with wrestlers. And then I have a group of guys I just get together with and roll around with them. I said but I need some good guys to train with and I'd like some more jiu-jitsu instruction. And Higgins said well, I'll talk to my brothers. And Higgins said well, I'll talk to my brothers, but if it's okay with them, maybe you can come and train with us. And I said are you serious? I said, cause I got exiled out of Hickson's. And he goes well, let me talk to my brothers. And so I think they just said, yeah, we'll train them. We won't promote them, but we'll train them. So at least I got to train. I got bodies to train with and take classes.

Erik Paulson: 1:07:20

Did Jean-Jacques.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:22

It was all of them. Nice, yeah, it was Carlos, higgin, jean-jacques, roger and John, and then Bobby Bass and Dave Myers and all the old guys were all there. It was really good. And then they Bass and Dave Myers and all the old guys were all there. It was really good. And then they moved their schools and then I just stuck with it. I stuck with them.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:48

I was going to class, though because my schedule I could only go early in the morning. So I started going with Guru Dan and started rolling with this guy and I said I just want to roll on the gi with good guys. Who can I roll with? So hey, come to the morning class and then there will be guys you can roll with. So I went there and I rolled with the guy and I caught him a couple times and then, all of a sudden, he wanted to talk about the UFC. So next thing you know I'm going there at 8 am. I'm like I didn't come here to talk about the UFC, I came here to roll with guys. Don't you guys want to roll? And then I got frustrated.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:28

And then I continued with Higgin, yeah, and started doing seminars with him. We started traveling and doing seminars together and then I just decided you, you know, I have three guys give me a brown belt. I gave it back and I said I don't. Uh, I, I think I've changed my mind. I, I was originally under hickson, but I can't train with him anymore. So, um, carlos moved to uh, dallas and Higgins right here, and Higgins was one of the top competitors in the world at the time. I said I think I want to go with Higgins. So I remember telling Higgins on the airplane I think I would like to go under you in jiu-jitsu. It wasn't until later that he embraced me and kind of brought me in.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:20

I was still just rolling all the time with as many possible guys, and Rico Ciparelli is my wrestling coach, so that was good because he had his own team. I got to go with Couture and Hendo and Vladimir Matashenko, fernando Vasquez, frank Trigg A lot of those guys at the Rajah I got to roll with regularly. And then I had a group of my own guys at Boxing Works and at the Inosano Academy that I just rolled with as much as I could. Plus I was taking Shudo, which was catch wrestling. All the grappling from Shudo is catch wrestling. And then I was doing Jiu-Jitsu and then going to Scotland and learning judo from the Scottish national team with Mark Preston and Billy Kustak and Rick Young. So I was really good. I was very fortunate I got to travel all over the world and learn from. I try to learn as much as I could from as many people as possible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:10:19

You really did, and you're a true pioneer of many styles. I wanted to ask who do you think is the strongest guy you ever grappled? Who's the strongest person you ever felt like clenched up with?

Erik Paulson: 1:10:28

Oh gosh, Brock Lesnar, oh, probably Cole Conrad.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:36

Brock Lesnar. Ken was really strong. Ken was super strong. Ken was super strong, I can see it, but he wasn't big like Brock and Cole and Josh Barnett. Obviously you know Josh is 6'3". And then John Marsh was tough. Vladimir Matyshenko, randy. Hendo and Randy are almost the same same strength and hendo's smaller than him. He's, he's got like herculean strength. Do you know that? He looks like it?

Erik Paulson: 1:11:09

yeah, I've heard that his hand is just like like titanium, like he's just solid and dense.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:15

So strong and I held pads for him once and he he threw a right cross and he hit me. And I go, you have heavy hands. And I said so, rico goes, what do you think? And I go, I think if I trained Dan, I would have him stuff everyone's shot and hit everyone with a right cross, a right uppercut and a left hook and he'll knock 90% of everybody out and a right overhand.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:40

That's pretty much what he did, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:43

But he's got to be careful of his ankles. His ankles are susceptible to getting submitted. And then Frank heel hooked him. In that event, I pre-warned him because Rico made me roll with him One time. I rolled with him at the academy and I heel hooked him. I couldn't do anything except a heel hook. And again, you know that's what I say about leg locks and heel hooks. It's like you don't have to be a black belt to heel hook people.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:14

It's a good equalizer.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:16

Yeah, it's a really good equalizer. So that's I said Dan's going to be very susceptible in the contender series when he competes in that If he comes out and doesn't wear his knee brace on his opposite leg. And they said, well, why? I said because Frank Shamrock, when he walks out he'll look to see where you have your bandages. If you have a knee brace, that he'll look to see where you have your bandages. If you have a knee brace, that's your bullseye. If you have an elbow brace, that's a bullseye. That's what they teach you in Japan. You look when someone walks up. You look at their body and see where they have injuries and that's what you're going to attack. They also put their hand on your shoulder and they go how's your condition? And they're tested to see how long your arm is. They put their hand on your shoulder and pretend they pat you and then they hit your body to see if you're solid Do you got any crazy boss rooting stories.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:14

So boss was at Omar Boetius and Omar was my friend. Boss was at Omar Boetius and Omar was my friend and apparently he got in a full on scuffle with the doorman and they locked him in a room and he beat the shit out of like five guys. I don't know why they would do that. I know that there was a lot of gang stuff going on. There's a lot of in Sweden. There's, yeah, there's a lot of gang stuff going on there. There's a lot of. Uh, in Sweden. There's, yeah, there's a lot of people carry a lot of guns there and nightclubs and stuff is weird. I was really surprised. But uh, yeah, he got into it with a bunch of bouncers and just cleared the room.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:55

He's funny Not going to take much more of your time. Eric and I got to go teach the class in a little bit, but do you got any? Since we've gone in the crazy route, got anything that you want to put out there, some of your craziest stories that you don't get to tell often or people don't want to hear about often.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:12

I know this lady went to Mexico and she lost her dog. She thought she lost her dog and then she found her dog. She thought she lost her dog and then she found her dog. Her dog was swimming and he had been in the water for a while. So she took her dog and brought her dog back home and she said the dog was eating everything and he looked a little different. He looked scroungy, but she could tell you know, it was the same size as her dog, just looked different. Because she thought he lost a lot of his hair because of the water. He was in the water for a long time. Then she found out she brought back a huge rat and she thought it was her chihuahua. Oh my God.

Erik Paulson: 1:14:52

That's gross.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:56

As far as stories go, I have a bunch of them, I just can't remember any.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:02

How would you tie your spirituality with your fighting? What's the most profound spiritual slash fighting experience you've had then?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:12

Well, it's funny because when I train, a lot of times I would wrestle in my sleep times. I would wrestle in my sleep and, uh, one time, uh, one time I was sleeping next to a girlfriend a long time ago wasn't my wife, this is before and uh, I was rolling so much and all of a sudden, uh, this guy was armbar me. So I got out of the armbar and I went whang and I got my elbow down and I like turned in and she goes ah, you just elbowed me in the lip and she woke up. She had a fat lip. She goes I can't go to work now. I go. What are you talking about? You're a makeup artist. Just make the other side bigger and then just make that big. So she went to work and everyone thought she got her lips done. She's like you can elbow me any day you want. Now my lips look great just because she made lipstick like really big up here. And then she had a big fat lip for my accidental elbow and then I've actually, I think I accidentally uh doubled in hammerfish and tanya getting out of armbars in my dreams one time, one time.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:26

So Tanya goes, I'm gonna go to the gym, see you later she goes I'm gonna do cardio. You wanna go do cardio and I go, cardi. No, and I pulled the covers over my head and I go. Finally I get some good sleep. So she left and all of a sudden I'm full-on sleeping and all of a sudden somebody's lips touch my lips and I heard her leave and shut the door and lock the door all of a sudden. I didn't even open my eyes, I just kind of sat up a little bit and I backhand chopped, I went back and I hit her right in the throat and she goes. Ah, she goes. You hit me right in the throat, she goes. I just came and snuck back in to give you a kiss, because I forgot to give you a kiss, goodbye. I chopped her in the throat like like perfectly, with my eyes closed, just an uphand chop. It was perfectly accurate.

Erik Paulson: 1:17:24

A ridge hand.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:26

No, it was a backhand chop, it was like this, it was like a bang. I guess, because I've done it so many times, that that's just natural. It's a natural thing, but I hit her right square in the windpipe. I think, more than anything, when you're training, learn as much as you possibly can from everybody. One thing that's nice about teaching is your students can teach you too, and I always encourage my students to do research and then also get extra time in, so when I walk in, they're not sitting around on the mat, but they're already rolling and playing around, and that's where the experimental time comes in, where they can actually start to learn and start creating things, because that's what we're supposed to do create. God put us here to create, just like he is. He created, he created us, and we are also creators. So one of the the best gifts you can give back is to create. Be as super creative as you can, but is anything anything you can think of and don't wait to act upon it. That's why I have a tape recorder and I'm notepad next to my bed.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:30

I write things. I wake up in the middle of the night and I'll write a half of a book and go back to sleep. Sometimes I get all these messages when I sleep. Some people dream and they don't remember their dreams. If you attached some sort of chip to my head, I would have some of the best movie, best, weirdest movies in the world. Seriously, I have the weirdest.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:55

Sometimes I'm like what? Sometimes I'm like what, where was I? Who were they? I mean, the other night I had a dream I fought a house full of gimps. It was the weirdest thing. This guy had a little nub for an arm and he came out and he's swinging at me and I was evading and then this really ugly girl with the droopy eyes started trying to hug me and then I was trying to do a wh, a hip toss on her and then I kept kicking this one guy in the shins and then he kept coming. I turn around, he goes to double leg me from behind and I hammer fisted him in the nose and he had a hard nose. It was like a round. It was like a Pluto snout, but it was like hard made out of plastic. A Pluto snout, but it was like made out of plastic. I was like what the hell I go? What did I eat or drink last night?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:19:46

Astral bow.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:47

Do you know, if you take a handful of parsley on an empty stomach, it makes you have the most lucid dreams ever. Never heard of that. Yeah, try it. In fact, the priest asked. He said is there any chance that your friend had partially before she went to bed and on an empty stomach? And I go what does that do? And he goes it makes you hallucinate. And I went oh, I'm going to go try it. I did try it. I did try it and I had a UFO dream I'm in. I did try it and I had a UFO dream.

Erik Paulson: 1:20:21

I'm in.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:23

I was in a spaceship in my dream and I'm looking around. It had all these honeycombs all over and the thing was huge like a warehouse and I was moving around in it and then all of a sudden the thing pulls up to my I was fifth story apartment window overlooking the ocean and it pulls up next to me and it drops me off and I see it take off and I open my eyes and I'm back in my room and I was like that was pretty real and I was like, oh yeah, I had parsley last night. Parsley works really really good. And the other thing Holographic Health has these wooden eggs and you use them to strip your stomach If you have acid reflux. These things work really well. If you have anyone that has acid reflux, you get a wooden egg and you strip your stomach with it and it opens up your hiatal hernia.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:21:17

Before we finish this off, I got to ask you again what was those prayers? The authority prayer and the Jebez Power of authority.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:21:25

Yep, the prayer of Jebez is for manifesting abundance. The Mark Hargrave Power of Authority Prayer Mark Hargrave Prayer, power of Authority is a prayer of deliverance to cut all cords. And the prayer of covering is to cut all cords and remove all attachments and hexes and past life issues that we may have. As I said, the hypnotherapist, dr Modi there's been several of them, but they found that the only way to heal people was to heal them of their past life trauma. And they said they didn't even believe in that until they started hypnotizing people and they started speaking about their past. And the same thing with Edgar Cayce. He was a devout Christian, always walked around with the Bible, and then he found out while he was healing people that he had to heal their past lives and most of their deaths, their drownings, their fire burns, some people were buried and that's why they feel suffocated or claustrophobic. A lot of our little issues and ailments are caused possibly from past life situations. I think Also.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:22:47

I'd love to see what mine would reveal.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:22:50

Dr Modi M-O-D-I. She's look up her books. She has some really cool books on Amazon, very informative, and let's see. St Michael Prayer for Protection Every Day is a very powerful prayer. Also Do the St Michael Prayer. He's 100% absolute and comes like a bolt of lightning. He comes down in a V and he's pure intention, pure thought, and he's heaven's most deadliest weapon. He's about 15 feet tall. He's got a maroon kilt and a blue cape and a blue flaming sword and his face looks like the Incredible Hulk, mixed with Fabio hair.

Erik Paulson: 1:23:38

Gnarly.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:23:40

Where can people keep up with you and reach you, eric?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:23:45

I'm on Instagram. I post a lot of stories. I have CSW, fullerton, csw Association. I'm on. I guess I have a TikTok channel and I'm on YouTube also. Guess I have a TikTok channel and I'm on YouTube also. I post a lot of content just to help raise the awareness of different types of training.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:12

I think everything was kept so secretive for so long and we have so much information to share, so that's why we do it. We have camps, we have tons of camps and things like that. Uh, one other thing I got my ministry. I got my. I became a minister, uh, because I wanted to marry my friends. So I married some of my friends and students.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:35

And then also for baptism and last rites, I had had a couple people die and I did last rites on them. That's a tough one, that's a sad one, but it's also a good time to rejoice. Rejoice the life. You know a lot of people the ones that are sad are us. They get to go off back home. We have to sit here and feel sad about who we lost, but you know they're lucky. So last rights is good also. Holy water, creating holy water through the holy spirit, and then, um, baptisms that's good too. We've done a lot with a lot of different fighters. That's good too. We've done a lot with a lot of different fighters to help people figure it out. I think if you're considering it or you're not quite sure, now's the time to figure it out, because the way things are today, you never know what may happen for real.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:32

And then I think I don't know about you, but I don't know what's going to happen towards the end of the year here, but I think things will get crazy. So you got to keep your prayers strong and stay safe, and that's extremely important. That's why martial arts is important. And then also friends. And then do you guys have supplies? Do you have some food and some water? Do you have small amounts of money in your house that you can, that you can get, in case the ATMs go down like ones, fives, tens and twenties, not hundreds?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:08

you know, some people won't be able to break that you have some prepper stuff, but I should be a little more on top of it me too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:16

We'll do it now before, like before the stores close, sometimes last second. You know everyone goes crazy and then you run into a store to get whatever. Just even every week, start accumulating canned goods, rice beans, bullets, knives.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:37

I feel like we're going to be upon some crazy stuff soon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:40

Well, little bottles of vodka you can barter with those.

Erik Paulson: 1:26:44

Yeah, you could clean wounds too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:46

We are going to get into barter system.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:49

That's right. And then, what about lighters, matches? How are you going to create fire? How are you going to create light? Yeah, that's all important, just accumulation. Every week, accumulate stuff, make a list of what you need.

Erik Paulson: 1:27:07

Have a bug up.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:09

Soap, yeah, also wet wipes, those things work A chapstick. Remember the movie Book of Eli? Never seen it.

Erik Paulson: 1:27:22

Oh, great movie.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:24

Oh, you guys see that movie Denzel Never seen it.

Erik Paulson: 1:27:26

Oh, great movie. Oh, you got to see that movie. Denzel Washington yeah, oh, you got really good, you need to watch that tonight.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:30

I'll have to check it out.

Erik Paulson: 1:27:32

See you then.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:34

Dan and Asano trained Denzel, and then all the knife stuff, badass. You have to watch it. Seriously, that will probably be one of your favorite next movies that you'll watch.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:46

Okay, mike, you're going to have to stay on me to make sure I watch it. It's good, you'll like it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:51

Yeah, and not only that, it's about like end times also.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:55

Love it. I probably will enjoy it then.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:58

Yeah, you would really, really, really like it. Did you guys see that Obama movie?

Erik Paulson: 1:28:04

I I really, really, really like it. Did you guys see that Obama movie? I didn't. I've seen a lot of stuff about it. Yeah, the end of the world one with Julia Roberts. That was crazy, right? No, that's pre-programming 100%.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:13

Yep, it's to tell us what they're going to do, like the bridge going down and all that stuff. If they put it in a movie and we don't say we don't comply. They put it in a movie and we don't say we don't comply. They put a movie and we say we don't, we don't, and we don't say we don't comply, that means they can get away with it, Cause they've already told us what they're going to.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:28:31

We gave permission. They told us that's right. Revelation of the method. It's crazy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:37

Well, I'll let you guys know Ben great.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:28:39

Thank you for your time, eric. You're a legend. We would definitely love to talk again.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:44

Yeah and go Rutolos man. They got Mikey Musumechi next month, and then Ty wants Bergali and Gordon before he turns into MMA. That's what he said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:28:58

Big stuff, and they got the best coach to do that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:29:02

Thank you. And they got the best team Atos. They've got some of the best coach to do that. Uh well, thank you. But, um, you know, and they got the best team, autosus. They've got some of the best guys down there, and andre trained so many great guys, so they're very lucky with that. And then, uh, he's got um classic, um, tyler wambles. He's a shoot box. He was trained under Rafael Cordero and he was he's got classic fighting. He's helping out with all the MMA stuff too, so it's good Epic. Pat Tenori took him under in his wing, so that's where they're training. Half their training is at Tenori Training Center, which used to be Ruka. And then Pat's son is getting married. Tomorrow I'm going to go to the wedding. His oldest son's getting married. It's exciting. And then Monday sorry Sunday I get to go to Minnesota to visit my dad. He's 89. I haven't seen him for a couple of years.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:29:59

Thanks, guys, enjoy that You're an absolute legend. Thank you good. Thanks, guys enjoy that. Thank you, you're an absolute legend.

Erik Paulson: 1:30:06

Thank you so much this was amazing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:30:07

Thank you guys. I appreciate your time. Paulson too. Yeah, it was a long second session as well. Yeah, it was like an hour and he's been sending me so much shit, dude. He's been sending me like all types of videos of him grappling and doing stuff and him like or just like random spiritual and prayer and like demon shit and I was like what, what's your advice for? I'm going out to England and Ireland again now. Spiritual advice is like get outside, meditate, connect. There's so many ley lines out there, visit historical sites. I'm like, dude, that's what I did last time. It was badass and then he unsent a message. So he said something, but then he unsent it. So I want to know what he said. That, I want to know what he said. That's weird.

Erik Paulson: 1:30:46

I know how could you unsend a message If you do it like right away? Fuck dude, eric.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:30:49

Paulson, two-part series.

Erik Paulson: 1:30:52

What do you? Even begin, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:30:55

Absolute legend.

Erik Paulson: 1:30:56

He's got so many stories he just goes into like fucking Jason Momoa axe-throwing story, you know, like right into oh, I'm doing this movie and fucking Bangladesh or whatever the fuck. I mean training with the Gracies.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:12

Complete boss Like he is what a martial arts movie portrays the main character to be.

Erik Paulson: 1:31:17

No doubt it's funny looking at old pictures of him Like watching him when he was doing it to like watching him now or looking at him now. Rather Obviously, age gets you know, time gets everybody. But watching like his self defense videos still and his training videos like he could still fucking, he could still fuck people up.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:39

No doubt I can't imagine the aches and pains he's in. And when I met him and trained under him by the way, definitely one of the one of my favorite people I've ever met, no doubt and I've kind of been a nomad and a no coach type of situation, not because I was, you know, too arrogant, it's just I never really fit somewhere or had like someone that I was like wow, I really should learn and like be mentored by this person.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:04

but with paulson I was learning the whole time and, yeah, dude, fucking awesome he's probably got a real unique way of teaching right definitely, and like you'd see him like trying to stretch his back or massage himself on like a corner or like on a pillar, and I do the same stuff, but with the lifetime of martial arts that he's had, yeah, I can imagine that fucking exorcisms.

Erik Paulson: 1:32:29

I mean there's just so much, there was so much that he covered and it was super. I mean we got to have him back. Just uh, we could just. Oh yeah, it's just fun to just hear him tell stories and just say you can have eric on every week. Oh yeah, I can't believe that people. I mean, I obviously see why people think he's crazy, but I can't believe people. Don't let him kind of talk about this shit more.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:52

There's a lot of NPCs in martial arts, or at least people that just their mind is so one track on that that they only think about fighting, training, nutrition, all that type of shit. So like anyone who's going in on stuff that they've never had the time to look into or think about. Really they're like what the fuck? Yeah, this guy's nuts. Or I've heard people be like oh, I wonder if paulson's just like this because his brain damage getting hit in the head and stuff. I'm like dude, look how many other fighters think he's or like other fighters do you know? Are athletes that are into that type of stuff Not that many.

Erik Paulson: 1:33:26

Dude. Think of the people that he's trained with. He's trained with, like I said, horian Hoist, brock Lesnar, right, I mean he's trained with like some of the best dudes in the world.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:33:39

And he's been behind some of the biggest wins ever Frank Mir getting smashed by Brock like the strategy for that second one pin in the arm and just ground and pound in his face. Eric's the one who definitely showed him that and gave him that game plan. Josh Barnett when he submitted Dean Lister for the first time in however many years, that was Eric in the corner. Eric's strategy on how he could submit the guy who hadn't been tapped in 15 years Uh, he just cornered Ritolo brothers to the million dollar tournament win. So he's a genius mind in combat. I know some of the audience doesn't always uh, appreciate the martial arts guests or martial arts talks but uh, you guys might not realize how fan boy spoiled me and Mike and Ben with some of these. If you look into it, like the guests we just had Eric Paulson, true, absolute, just legend. Look into it. I mean, hopefully you still enjoyed the episode because it's some crazy stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:34

Yeah, he checks both boxes for sure.

Erik Paulson: 1:34:36

Yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:37

Yeah, but as far as actual, you know, notoriety and credentials man, we've had quite the list on here yeah, no doubt.

Erik Paulson: 1:34:47

Have you ever thought when you get older, when you get like maybe late 30s, early 40s, have you ever thought of like transitioning into pro wrestling?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:58

for sure, but uh, I feel like the later would be too, because it is hard on the fucking body. If you take a more modern style of pro wrestling. It's real hard on the body If I got in with Josh Josh Barnett and was doing blood sport type shit 100%.

Erik Paulson: 1:35:15

Yeah, well, that's like, as you know, it's weird to say real, but that's like as physical, I guess Was it the right word, right? That's like as physical as wrestling gets now, which is cool. There's a lot of good people that compete. But I am a fan and I do watch wrestling still. But all this flippy shit, dude, to me that's gymnast, that's not fucking pro wrestling. You had pro wrestlers back in the day, dude, that were out of shape in some instances, that couldn't even work in a ring, but they could talk and they could draw money.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:35:46

You know, guys would have three moves, take one bump I think I'd have a fun fucking style for sure, and if I had the right opponent, I'd have a a great, fake wrestling match dude tom lawler.

Erik Paulson: 1:35:57

Tom lawler is a pro wrestler and that would that would be like a per like he. He blends it very well, you know, like his MMA and wrestling he does it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:36:05

Well, I would and I'm definitely going to be doing my wrestling more shit in a promoter role or whatever else too, and we're blending those lines, gotta build a ring. I don't like. I'm a competitor. I don't like the idea of faking a loss to someone else. I don't, I really don't. If I can control it, I want to try to win. I hate losing. Of course you're going to lose. I've lost plenty of times in my life but I could do it. Obviously it's part of the thing, but I'd rather compete and win.

Erik Paulson: 1:36:33

Oh, like subscribe, do all that good shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:36:35

Give us some guest recommendations.

Erik Paulson: 1:36:37

Yeah, do that too. Or if you want to be a potential guest, you could reach out to us at conspiracy and chill at gmailcom and all the social medias youtube, instagram, x. One of the craziest things I've ever heard. It was what paulson said. One of the weirdest sentences I ever heard say that, after hearing that fucking episode, there's a lot of sentences that you could pick too, but the one that stood out to me was, uh, when he's like, yeah, so I was in my gym after practice at night I was walking around with sage and blowing a ram's horn and I'm just like what the fuck?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:37:15

like what the fuck, dude?

Erik Paulson: 1:37:17

dude. He has like all these little religious trinkets that he likes pulling out of his pocket and shit. He's like got this organite and he's got this little ball and this fucking pyramid thing and then he pulls out the fucking emp pulse machine dude, that fucking keeps the spirits away at night.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:37:33

I'm just like wow black belt fucking metaphysics too. Man, dude, no shit, yeah, like a red belt. I've been around the world though, too, and and I tell you this parts that he probably left out a little too he's banged all types of women, of all types of spirituality and witchery, and you know whatever you want to call it spirituality, so he's picked up on a lot of stuff.

Erik Paulson: 1:38:00

He hinted at what the Filipino uh had 14 demons and a witch in her yeah, fucking wild I just love how he says things. So matter of fact, like it's awesome like when you or I are talking, we might be like hey, you know, I don't know, but it's possible. Like he's just like oh, you guys know, this is how it is right. Like there's no wiggle room. Like this is how it is right. Like there's no wiggle room. Like this is how it is. It's like I love that shit. People are so confident.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:38:26

Me too, wizard, straight, wizard.

Erik Paulson: 1:38:30

It's so funny to me because, like I said, he either is completely batshit crazy or there's a lot of truth to what he's saying, right? And if there's a lot of truth to what he's saying, right, and if there's a lot of truth to what he's saying, then he's also one of the most dangerous men in the world that has these beliefs. That's just so crazy to me right, I know, I know, but yeah, this was a fun one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:38:58

I'm glad you made this one happen, dude, and I'm glad you're going to go to England and win what I'm considering a third world championship but happen, dude and I'm glad you're going to go to england and win it I'm what I'm considering a third world championship, but two world championships and a us championship you're going to have. So we'll call it two wigan snake pit world championships, because that is the, you know, holy ground of catch wrestling.

Erik Paulson: 1:39:16

So that's why that tournament is important so wigan is the town, yeah, and that's where. That's where catch wrestling originated.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:39:25

Essentially yeah. Huh, I didn't know that West England, wales, wigan, those counties because it was just a bunch of hard-ass workers, miners yeah, miners. Farmers.

Erik Paulson: 1:39:37

All right, bro. Well, I'm sure I'll talk to you again, but we're going to try to do another one before you leave. But in the event that I don't fucking smash him, dude, you get texting shit out there still, yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:39:49

Yeah, or maybe we'll yeah. I should be good actually. Yeah, yeah, all right?

Erik Paulson: 1:39:52

Well, let's try to fucking hook up and do one before you go, and, like I said, if you can't do it, I get it, dude, but should be fine. Stay away from pedophiles, though. Guitar solo, thank you.