41 | Trez Mala | Comedy, Witches, and Supernatural Encounters | "If The Devil Wants To Recruit You I Don't Think He'd Send A Witch"

Conspiracy theories and comedy—an unlikely yet fascinating combination. Trez Mala takes us on a rollercoaster ride through his unique journey into stand-up comedy. From early influences like his grandfather to reflections on the importance of truth in humor, Trez reveals how personal experiences have shaped his ability to captivate audiences and question mainstream narratives, especially during the pandemic.

We also break down the elements and inspirations behind Trez's comedic style, drawing from legends such as Richard Jeni, Red Fox, Bill Hicks, and Benny Hill. The conversation sheds light on the craft of comedy, crowd manipulation, and the fascinating parallels between pro wrestling and televangelism. Trez's anecdotes provide a rich tapestry of insights into the art of influencing an audience, illustrating how politics often mirrors the performative nature of showbiz.

But that's not all—prepare to be captivated by Trez's supernatural experiences and eerie encounters. We explore a chilling UFO sighting in the Mojave Desert and unsettling moments in a haunted apartment. The episode delves into near-death experiences, multiple dimensions, and the profound impact of life-threatening events. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode offers a riveting mix of humor, curiosity, and a deep dive into the unknown, promising to keep you on the edge of your seat.

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Chapters

• 1:24 Our Guest Trez Mala
• 1:56 Conspiracy Theories and Stand-Up Comedy
• 7:41 Comedy, Politics, and Manipulation
• 19:48 Paranormal Experiences and Alien Beliefs
• 23:01 [Ad] The Latin Minute
• 23:46 (Cont.) Paranormal Experiences and Alien Beliefs
• 31:15 Supernatural Experiences and Near-Death Events"
• 39:25 UFO Encounter in the Desert
• 44:33 Personal Experiences and Unexplained Phenomena
• 51:42 Cabbage Patch Theory
• 1:03:52 Bloodlines
• 1:10:17 Kevin Trudeau
• 1:17:59 Ancient Miner Theory
• 1:27:26 The Nevada Triangle
• 1:35:10 Trump The Lesser Evil?
• 1:42:27 Civil War
• 1:47:49 Flat Earth
• 1:53:25 Who Gives Google The Answers
• 1:55:46 Topic Recap
• 2:00:58 Ancient AI and Simulation Theory

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible. We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity. The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:32

Conspiracy show it's obvious the aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge. We're just one planet. They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

Trez Mala: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05

The bulldog ball. I don't want you to read the bible.

Trez Mala: 1:08

There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party, at a point in uh in the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast we have our guest for today, trez mala. We are going to be talking all types of things. He's a stand-up comedian, ring announcer, tour guide, fellow long-time conspiracy theorist.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:37

Thanks for coming on, bro yeah, man, thanks for having me. Guys, it is a. Uh, it's a pleasure to talk to like-minded folks Always.

Trez Mala: 1:45

Yeah, For those who aren't familiar with you, we're kind of getting to know you right here, right now too. What got you into either announcing or stand-up or, like you said, off-air talking into a microphone?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:57

It's kind of weird. For some reason I was somehow never afraid to talk in front of crowds, in front of people. I mean, I do know kind of the origins of where that happened. My grandfather was a deputy probation officer, so he worked in the camps with the boys, you know, before prison. But they couldn't be there, you know, they're in that in between 16, 17, going into adult stuff. So they had these camps and my grandfather was.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:27

My grandfather was a director, and so every Thanksgiving we would go up when I was a kid, you know little guy, we would go up to the camp, we'd spend Thanksgiving together up there, eat with all the people, all the you know the convicts, I guess, and he would always go up on stage and do this big talk and my grandpa was a, you know juvenile delinquent himself, and so he really felt like he was helping out the kids and he was on the level, so they had a ton of respect for him, you know. And um, he would take me up on stage and he was, you know, talking, and one year he was like making fun of me when I was on stage and he was getting laughs and uh, I just remember going. Oh, you know he gave me the microphone. He goes what do you think, spike? You know that was my name as a kid. He'd call me spike, yeah, and I just go oh, don't listen to him. This is just my bald-headed grandpa and the whole place, I mean it's probably like 500 guys roared, just I mean all in unison, and I like looked at that and I was like I don't know what just happened, but I'm hooked. So I've always like I've never had a problem like talking in front of a crowd after that because, like I knew, I knew, like I don't know, something magic happened right there for me, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:41

And then I was influenced by a few other people as far as comedy. But I didn't look at it as comedy, I looked at it as a way of like communicating, you know. Like I looked at it as a way of like this is how you have to talk, this is how you have to express yourself. You know the facial expressions or whatever. And it was comedians that I looked at, you know. And so my whole life I've always had people be like oh, you're a comedian, oh, you should be a comedian, or usually if I'm getting in trouble, it's oh, we got a comedian over here. You know that kind of thing.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:15

So after hearing that so many times, a guy came up to me one time. He's like, dude, I'm going to an open mic as working as 21 or 20, um, and he goes, I'm going to an open mic. He goes, uh, you should come with me, you know. And I go what's that? He goes, it's where comedians get started. And I go what? He goes? Yeah, just, they got a bar, they got a microphone. Usually there's people there you could tell jokes and you kind of figure it out. I go, you, you don't have to have an agent, you go, you got to build up to that stupid. You know, I was like I didn't have no idea about anything. So I went up and, just, you know, bombed until, uh, it started working. You know, here we are over 20 years, is still telling jokes. I'm like a sewing machine the needle's going up and down but nothing's happening. So I like doing it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:00

But that led me into the truth comedy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:05

You know there's truth in comedy and the thing about comedy is like I can't get into uh, comedy that has like false information or you know, like here's the thing that turned me off and I I used to really like bill burr, but during the whole shutdown he was just like pro mask and pro all this stuff and I was like, bro, you read like, you are an intellectual, you are smart dude, you know how to scan the room and you're buying this bullshit, checked out, you know what I mean. Like I can't follow anybody or anything or pay attention to it if it's not like, if it's not based in reality, if it's not like the real thing. You know what I mean. If it's not, uh, fact. So it's like mainstream comedy for me was like really rough, because I'm watching people just recite shit from the news, you know, and I'm like that's all bullshit, like, and.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:05

But then they get laughs and they move up, you know, because they're playing in that game and, um, you know, I noticed one thing that, like I go in these rooms I do really well as far as comedy, but I don't get booked or rebooked unless I'm like with a certain comedian or crowd or something like that. But um, I do notice that, like all the people that get booked in these clubs, their social media, they don't say shit. They don't say anything. Pardon me, I'm allowed to cuss right oh, please, yeah probably.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:32

I've probably done it like a million times already and now I'm worried about this one, but uh, they don't say anything, they don't have their, their that or their like total. You know, milk toast about it. And um, it's funny is when people meet me they're like oh, dude, you're a lot more chill than your social media. I go what do you mean? My social media is fine, dude, it's chill. Like, just put down facts. You know I am a little bit more harsh on the Democrats, but I'm a political atheist. You know what I mean. You know I grew up, uh, in my house there was a republican and a democrat and they're both like you vote for whoever lowers your taxes. Then I had people I was mentored by coming up and I'm like what do you want? The mumps are the measles when it comes to politics, you know. So that's always been my take on it. Can I ask you a question?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:20

yeah, uh, I've always fancied myself a big stand-up comedy fan too. In seventh grade I uh watched george carlin's live in new york stand-up. It was 1993 and boy was I hooked. So, uh, my question to you is carlin seems like a guy that was way ahead of his time too. Right, you could watch his shit from the 90s and it's like it's exactly what's going on now. And you mentioned some of your comedian idols and I was wondering just who were some of your comedian idols when you were younger, kind of growing up uh, for stand-up comedy right off the bat richard jenny, richard jenny, yeah, um, yeah, he, uh, that's that's how I thought you had to talk.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:57

You know, that's how I thought you had to like, speak and present yourself, do act outs and stuff. I I really thought the world of that guy. It's really sad how he ended. But other stand-ups, you know, I heard one of the very first comedy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:12

My grandpa had tapes, you know, but it was Red Fox and it was in Vegas and it was all I remember was he was a motherfucker, you know, just dropping, justussing, calling a bit a chick, a bitch and a cunt, and people were laughing and I was like I'm like you can, you can say that and not get in trouble, like, listen to this. So that like opened my mind up. But, um, I like bill hicks when he was, when I was a kid, you know, and I just liked him because he was angry, I mean, he was talking about stuff that was over my head, you know what I mean, and uh, but I liked him because he would like he, he could just go from hot to cold and in a second, you know. But, um, one of my biggest influences is, uh, is there's two and they're not comedians and I mean in everything in my life. But uh, benny Hill, I'm a huge Benny Hill guy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:08

That guy was, if you want to talk about, a creative, uh genius. He wrote everything. He wrote the music, he directed, he produced. He, you know he was a bit of a, he's probably on the spectrum and shit, but uh, he did everything, you know, and he was really loyal to his crew and his people and also like the audience, like the audience wasn't necessarily the same but he knew the audience. So if someone was in there recording and he didn't recognize the face, he'd be like I I hate to be a bother, but you gotta go and go and you know I admire that. But Benny Hill was, and still, a huge influence in how I just view the world and come and then the, the singer from Mr Mungle, mike Patton.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:57

Oh my God Faith no More too. Yep, one of the best yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:00

Yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:00

Fucking creative genius.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:03

Yeah, best, yeah, yeah, creative genius, yeah, uh, I mean that guy in in his whole band, uh, from bungalow and fate, no more, all the branches and stuff that went out, all the creative stuff, um, you know, really opened me up to a lot of things. And and, um, that guy, that guy, to me I really like what he did, because he had a band, he had this group and then then he got in this one group and went crazy mainstream success and then he was just like, yeah, no, I'm back down in the creative zone and he tried to bring all his people up and he did a lot, you know. But that dude wasn't afraid of anything. So I was like, if this guy is able to do this, you know why can't I do it with? You know how I think and feel. You know how I think and feel, you know. But there's a lot more to comedy than it is. Uh, as far as working with the group, I mean, there's a lot of dynamics, but it's a it's a tough day, it's a tough gig, dude.

Trez Mala: 10:57

It's a lot of to wade through you know, I'm sure and something that I had wanted to, you know, bring up in this episode, and you already kind of touched on it that being a comedian led you to the truth and I'm thinking, tell me if I'm right or wrong. Being on stage and, you know, like manipulating the crowd and like you know, influencing them to laugh or like get their opinion on a thing, did that kind of being able to do that as the comic on stage, did that give you kind of like a perspective to see how politics and other stuff and other people could manipulate the masses? Like pro wrestling or comedy style is that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:34

oh, yeah, uh, dude 100. Um, I'm a huge wrestling fan. I'm not like numbers and statistics that I I just like I look at comedy. Oh, and another thing that I'm I'm really into I fucking love televangelists, I love the, I love the big.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:54

You know, because you talk about sorcery or you know a craft of of, you know for real owning a crowd, manipulating the crowd, and and I mean masters, youda-da-da, I mean masters, you know, and unfortunately I think they are using it for evil. You know what I mean. But in a lot of sense I can't really say but from the looks of it, from what the people are driving up in and from what the pastor's driving up in or whatnot. But I love, love. I always look at, uh of, I'm a virgo and one of the things that I I I've always been able to do is get a good read on a room. I improvise a lot of my comedy, you know, based off the room and interaction and stuff. But, um, I'm able to kind of get a read for a read for the room and stuff. But I've also am able to hear things that that are stuff that's being said. I'm able to hear the other thing that's being said and that's really helped me out like and understanding politics and stuff. And then when you look at it, when you look at like politics as, as gerald salente I think he's the one that quoted it is showbiz for ugly people, right, and you get into it is all just like professional wrestling where behind closed doors, in the steakhouses, they're at their kids' lacrosse games or whatever they're doing at their private schools and shit. They're talking or their little eyes wide shut, parties and shit, but they're doing stuff behind the curtains and then in front of one another, they're over there like, acting, like they're chasing around like Tom and Jerry. You know, I see all the bullshit. You know, and I've, I've I can't say I've read everything cause I haven't, you know, but I've read enough. And then I have my own personal experience and just my intuition to be able to look and see things and just be like this is bullshit. You know what I mean. Like I was, you know I'm lucky I was from an era that you, I was raised to think for yourself. You know what I mean like, and I also you know I I grew up, uh, around a lot of gangs, around a lot of hustling and thieves and backstabbers and you know all sorts of shit. So you know, just taking that and just looking at the world, you, you know, it's just like one of those things so many, so many stuff has just been proven wrong in our lives, and one of the ones, like, when it comes to 9-11, people would be like, oh, people can't keep those kind of secrets people can't keep motherfuckers. Keep secrets, dude, to the grave. Okay, people keep secrets.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:27

You know how many fucking you know how many chicks you're? We're around, all right, they have a fucking kid by another dude and another dude's raising it, thinking that's his kid. I mean, dude, it is ridiculous. And they, they will even go down being caught acting like that shit. I mean, I see this stuff all the time on these little court clips and stuff, dude, where the paternity tests come up. But you see it all across the board. That bitch is keeping her mouth shut and that other dude is keeping his mouth shut. You know what I'm saying. So it can happen. I'll tell you what man it's like. If you find that bag of all that money in the desert, they're like what are you going to do first? And everybody's like, oh, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. The fucking right answer is what money you?

Trez Mala: 15:13

know what I mean.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:14

Right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:15

That's how you got to trade it. What fucking money, dude? So that's how I look at it through the lens that I have in looking into politics, or I'm looking into politics and stuff, especially as a comedic, as a comic. You know, it's a bit like a magician. You're looking for the angle, you're looking where the, the sleight of hand is, you know, and it's in words, it's in uh, you know, it's an expression, and one of the things is that everybody should learn is uh, be familiar with is the book rules for radicals, um, by Saul Alinsky, and it's. It's the handbook for the democrats and basically the number one thing that they do and it's right out there is you blame your opponent for what you're actively doing right. So is there's right now, as we're looking at this whole thing with uh.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:06

Trump's a dictator. He doesn't want to get out of office, he doesn't want to do this, he wants to, he wants to silence his political opponents, he wants to do all that. What are the democrats doing right? Oh, he's going to crash the economy and start world war three. What are they doing, you know?

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:21

so, yeah, we see a lot of that blaming, yeah, and his admission yeah, yeah and you know, um trump has his hand in in that inflation bit, with that whole signing off all the money checks for the uh, for the covid. You know I mean, what are you gonna do when you dump what? Seven trillion dollars into the economy? You know, you see what is going on in Venezuela right now. No, what is it? They're dumping their cash. It's like Weimar Republic. They're showing trash bins, people just chucking their bills in there like fuck it, it means nothing.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:57

Who knows, dude? They've been talking about those people being eaten. They're damn fucking zoo animals and shit, dude, they just want to usher in the world currency, the world digital currency.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:07

You know that's coming sooner than later and it's gonna be a. That's it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:11

It's not good yeah, they're trying, they're, they're pushing on it on every angle, you know, and um, they're, you know they're. Everything is everything's all in a concerted effort. What did that creep dude that, klaus schwab? He was a. It was going to be a poly, like a poly attack or something. A poly, something meaning many levels of, from financial to weather, to power grid. You know, all sorts of stuff just happening at once. And then here we are. It's like a big crescendo building up to it.

Trez Mala: 17:45

You know yeah, it's hilarious. I think that, uh, one of the funnier things was during the pandemic the national coin shortage.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:54

The coin shortage, yeah yeah, how ridiculous is that? Yeah, it's trying to get away from the whole cash thing, you know. And um, uh, I heard that the big thing a lot of people were complaining a bit at the olympics, not only about the migration stuff and the and the violence and all that, but it was the. Uh, they weren't trying to go cashless with everything. A lot of people were like, fuck this and they, they left, they, like they bailed on the olympics just because they made it like impossible. You know, majority of people don't want to go cashless, so I thought that was beautiful. It's not really talked about on the news, but neither are the riots in Britain against the Muslims and the Brits or I can say Christians, I guess but they got some hometown violence going on right now.

Trez Mala: 18:41

Yeah, I've been seeing some of that, yeah, and the Olympics are letting all my design too,

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:48

what's that, uh, the olympics are letting dudes, full-grown men, punch women in the face too, so that's a kind of a reason.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:53

Oh, yeah too yeah, and you do. You see, like there's so much, there's so, um, I'm one of my, one of my buddies is, uh, sam tripoli. I don't know if you guys are familiar from Tinfoil Hat, yeah, yeah, so you know, I was listening to one of his episodes and this is something that me and him talked about quite a while is, what's going on right now is they're throwing out so much stuff from both sides right on the same thing. So it's like people within our community, the conspiracy community, whatever the people who question things, there's so much stuff going on. So, like we have this boxer girl right. We got this guy girl right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:35

So I mean, fails a gender test, fails, uh, you know, a testosterone test, but then they show pictures of her dressed as a kid or a girl, as a child, you know really young. And then there's like all this back and forth and stuff. So it's like we really don't know. But then it's coming out. It was like no dude that didn't pass the the test, it's, it's a dude, you know, and it it's carried its way all the way to the finals, right, they're supposed to. And it's two dudes, two dudes who are fighting, right, for the female championship.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:12

Who saw that?

Trez Mala: 20:12

coming right yeah in the Olympics too. Right, I could see that. Put that in your chest too. All right, pull down your pants. Do you got a dick?

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:21

No, Okay, I guess, but then they have pictures.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:26

They have pictures of the supposed girl as but the, the girl wearing a male cup and multiple different pictures in training and stuff, and it was like and it shows against, uh, females, they don't have the the same protective gear. You know, there's a belt that goes around their their belly, but they don't have the same protective gear. There's a belt that goes around their belly, but they don't have that. Or their midline, but they don't have that big coconut unit in the front. You know what I mean. It's just more of a I don't know. You know that little I equate it to. You know that little rubber bumper that you can buy on the infomercials that you put between the stove and the counter.

Trez Mala: 21:10

That's what they got going up the front right there. It's about a little strip, you know, keep all the trash out. There was a. There was a female groin shot in one of the last ufcs where they stopped the fight because the girl got kicked in the crotch.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:17

I was like I've never seen that before it's gotta hurt, I'm sure I mean, if you think, if you think about it, I mean I've, I've, uh, you know I've slapped my wang on some on the girls, like ow, damn, like, damn it. I'm like, oh, I thought I go, I watch the pornos. They do a lot to put baseball bats in them, things, dude, you know what I mean. Like just stomping a mud hole in that deal. You know that that's the thing real quick. Just a little side note I hate it when I hear uh comedians they all do the same joke, especially if they have a daughter.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:47

They're like I want my daughter to be lesbian. And I'm like, do you know how much domestic violence that they have? I go and have you seen lesbian porn? You see what they do to each other. I go, some guy, unless he's got a damn table leg for a dick, ain't doing shit compared to what the foot's not, and that they do in those lesbian porns, you know. So you know what I mean. Like you might want to rethink that. You know you, people try to be all trendy and shit. Dude, I'm like I mean what? They have a 73% divorce rate, lesbians, dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:19

And then and then if the woman does hit your daughter, you can't do anything as the father. So you have to go look for the fucking boxer right To beat her up.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:28

Yeah right, oh dude. There's a good indie wrestling thing where it has this chick smack this dude and he's just like ah, and he goes, he walks out the ring, then he comes back with a wig and a dress and just tees off on her.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:41

Dude gets her in the corner slams her power, bombs her and stuff. Yeah, dude, that's, that's good writing right there, you know, but yeah, there's, this is so much crazy shit how it got you guys started into conspiracy and and and looking at them, what was the first thing that turned that? That made you think like this is all fucked up?

Trez Mala: 23:37

I'll go because I've told this multiple times. I got accredited to some WWE well, wcw rather. When I was little and I was a big Goldberg fan and I was like super hype on Goldberg, I tried to watch his title fight against Kevin Nash when he was undefeated and made my parents buy the pay-per-view.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:59

The record.

Trez Mala: 24:00

Oh yeah, and I was real little so I knew no better. I thought it was 100% like legit sport, you know. It wasn't fixed in my head and I fell asleep and I didn't get to see the result. And the next morning my dad told me. He's like oh no, you fell asleep. Scott Hall came and stun gunned Goldberg and like knocked out the ref and then dragged him on top of Goldberg and they counted one, two, three. He lost. I was like no, that didn't happen, no way.

Trez Mala: 24:26

Like no, no, that's what happened, I was like seriously, like that shouldn't count, like no, I was like devastated and ever since then, oh dude you would have been traumatized if you saw that live dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:39

You're lucky you fell asleep.

Trez Mala: 24:42

Yeah, you had a good bad news breaker Right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:46

Oh dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:47

So yeah, so you were like there's a hidden hand after that, huh 100%.

Trez Mala: 24:52

And then I guess, just like teachers and hating homework and them telling me like if you don't do this, it was always just like a negative consequence, so you're going to end up like going to jail, you're going, don't do this, it was always just like a negative consequence so you're gonna end up like, and going to jail, you're gonna end up this or that, just because I couldn't focus on my math homework.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:08

Yeah, yeah, for me it was uh, I've always been interested in like, uh, aliens. I remember watching alien autopsy. I was like 11 or 11 years old, 12 years old, but you know, back then there was no internet so it was like it left me thirsty, so I'd literally look in encyclopedias like for like Abominable Snowman, bigfoot, like, get anything. I could, you know, go to the library, get books. And then a part of it too was I saw what my family believed and I didn't think that they were very smart in their decisions, contrarian, and that kind of led me down the path too to just seeing alternative points of view and seeing how limited everybody else's point of view was. And I didn't want to be like that. You know, I didn't want to be so sure of what you can't be sure of, you know, and just kind of evolved, you know, and as time went on it's gotten more extreme. I guess you can say, but yeah, that's pretty much my origin story.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:03

Have either of you guys had like a paranormal or a extraterrestrial type of experience or sighting or anything A?

Trez Mala: 26:14

handful, a handful None. That was extremely crazy, profound. I'm convinced and pretty sure and I had my friend with me that we saw a dog man at one of the most haunted like woods around. There's a cemetery around where we live called bachelor's grove and it's it's very haunted. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, but it's. It's pretty infamous for being like full of weird, ghostly and otherworldly activity. It's got a lot of lore around it and, yeah, we saw some weird like hunched back but two-legged big black figure in it and it was winter so you could see pretty clearly, with the snow on the ground, a big black mess like sitting there and moving and we ran. It was pretty scary. I've seen some weird orbs and lights, the house across.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:58

Nothing like that could have been a bear like at a hibernation not in Illinois, yeah, it was.

Trez Mala: 27:05

It was a big weird. It looked like it was like two-legged, crouched over, almost like just like a massive person. Even it could have been a huge person wearing like a big black ghillie suit or something, at three in the morning at a haunted woods, in the winter maybe.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:21

But we were there to see some scary shit.

Trez Mala: 27:23

Other than that, I've had my fair share of like. I worked as like a guy who came in and reset uh venues overnight, like when a banquet or something would be done. I would go, take all the tables and like reset it. However, the format was supposed to be for the next event the next day, and I also worked as a bouncer at a bar, so I'd go after the bar and do that before the next day. So sometimes it'd be like three in the morning, four in the morning, and some weird shit would happen in that building when I was there by myself three in the morning, the witching hour 100 a loud ass crash, as if like the entire uh stack of tables or something that I had had been knocked over, and then I would go check and there'd be nothing.

Trez Mala: 28:00

I'm like what. What could have possibly made that noise? And there was no evidence of anything happening.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:05

So those are both the pinnacle of mine dude, I've had a few, but I'm not here's a thing, I'm not. I don't really believe in that stuff. However, I've had a, really I've had.

Trez Mala: 28:17

Yeah, I mean he's got scratch marks on his back from a ghost and he doesn't believe I shouldn't say I don't believe.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:24

I should say that I don't know what to believe. But I have had a few experiences. The one Tom's referencing is actually legitimate. We have an episode that we recorded with a demonologist. I asked him about it because when I was little Well, first let me preface my mom's favorite movie is the Wizard of Oz, and it's important because you'll see why. So I was maybe like I don't know man, nine years old, eight nine years old, and I had this dream where I was in the middle of the staircase, going up to the upstairs and a witch that looked to me like the Wicked Witch of the West literally was, was on top of the stairs, calling my name like Michael, like luring me, and my mother was on the landing of the stairs. Okay, and it didn't. I mean it was a dream, but it was fucking real to me as a kid.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:12

I mean it fucked me up. And then oh you, I had a witch situation, so I can relate, dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:22

Dude as a kid know like, and, uh, you know. And the demonologist was like, yeah, you know they could. Uh, basically, they know in your mind how you, what you conceive. And since I just saw that movie now I'm thinking, fuck, that's like you know. But uh, and many years later I have these three deep scars like scratches on my back and I don't know where they came from. I was coming out of the shower one day I was probably like 20, 21 years old, still lived at home with my mom, and she's like what, what is on your back? And I'm like what do you mean? She's like you got like these like scars and they're healed. They're like, they're like bad dude. They're like fucking like you would know where they came from.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:57

You know it's they're terrible jeez I don't know where those came from, so that's one of my weird things, that's some random stretch marks you know not, don't, because they're not in the I had too many donuts last night no, I'm, I am a fat fuck, but there it's in like the middle of my back and it's like isolated, so like it. There's scars like yeah, I could.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:15

Is it like? Is it like a claw type sideways swipe, yeah, swipe.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:18

Yeah, like three swiped. Yeah, dude. I could send you a picture after the show. I'll send you a picture.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:24

Yeah, so you're like you're running away and something swiped at you or something right?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:29

I have no idea, bro. No pain, no, nothing, no recollection, nothing dude, nothing at all.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:37

Another one have you checked your body for implants, bro? I mean no more than just I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:44

I I don't know. I have a tattoo that kind of uh implicates me being abducted, but I don't think I ever have. You know, like I don't have any, I wish, like that's one thing. I'm like, come on, fucking grab me, dude, like I want to go up there and see what's up? That terrifies me, dude. Yeah, as long as they bring me back, I'll be all right, you know but uh, I also had one more experience that I can't explain too, so I'll be quick with it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:05

So we used to live in an apartment, uh, in lombard, and it was me, my wife and my uh two kids and we my wife had been experiencing weird things when I was at work and I'm like you're just fucking crazy, they're losing it, you know. And so one night my buddy's over and I'm like you're just fucking crazy, they're losing it, you know. And so one night my buddy's over and I'm like let's fucking is like it's like two in the morning, I don't know it was, it was in the middle of dead of the night and I'm like let's fucking do, evp, you know, let's grab a recorder, a dictaphone and fucking, just, I'm gonna ask some questions, you know, and I did. And one of the questions was are you a male or female? And I, audibly, we heard nothing, okay, nothing. But then, when I played it back and put headphones on after I asked that question, you heard a female voice say female.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:54

And when I fucking heard it, I went to my friend. I didn't tell him what I heard. I said bro, what do you hear after I ask this question? And he said the same fucking thing. I played it for my wife. She heard it and guess what? We found out about two months after that, because I was friends with Josh, who was the kid that lived below me Okay, the apartment below me. What I found out was about a year before we moved in. Below me, what I found out was about a year before we moved in. The girl, the woman in the apartment above us, committed suicide from postpartum depression so in my head.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:29

Maybe that could be, you know, linked somehow. But those are like my two craziest ones and I don't know what to believe. You know, I, I don't, I don't know, because those are I can't.

"$awbuck" Mike: 32:38

Do you believe in like? Do you believe in like, the? Uh, you know all possibility, you know, um the quantum, that everything is happening, every different version, every possibility and stuff. You know the the different ways things could be within the same but fractal off into another. Um, you know, I always think that it's a dimensional thing. There's, like you know, the vibration changes, like that. You know, like the girl she checked out her vibrations kind of still within that realm. But no, I believe in all that stuff. You know not like oh well one of the things about me.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:26

I believe this is other than a few things. I think this is a huge deal, like one my numerology I'm a life path of 11, which says I'm an old soul, I'm also a Virgo. Being a life path of 11, which says that I'm an old soul, I'm also a Virgo. It says that, you know, being a life path of 11, I've been here a lot, you know, I've been through the ringer, supposedly, you know, as a soul. And so when I was two weeks before my second birthday, I was being babysat at my neighbor's house and they had a pool with a cover the old bubble wrap covers and I had walked, pushed down the child gate, walked out, went in and then the cover went back over and they estimate that I was probably underwater for like 10 minutes, you know. And they estimate that I was probably underwater for like 10 minutes, you know. And they, when they, when they found me, they couldn't just immediately get me because my grandma couldn't swim, so she had to. Someone one of the kids ran across the street, got another girl, teenage girl she jumped in, got me, my grandma and her. Both did CPR on me and they said that's pretty much what like saved my life. So like no visible or recognizable brain damage or anything, but I was dead, you know, and uh, I think that, like, I think that kind of took a layer off of something. You know, I think there there's something. Uh, I think something happened to me with that because in less than two weeks I was out of the hospital, I was fine, running around, I think within like five or seven days I was running around the hospital and they're like, okay, he's gotta go. You know, like they had to wait and see and whatever, but like a total miracle thing. And actually the same weekend that happened to me, oj Simpson had a daughter that drowned in a pool. Actually, the same weekend that that happened to me, oj simpson had a daughter that drowned in the pool and died same weekend. Crazy, um, but uh.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:27

And then I had a friend's brother. He had an accident, a drowning accident, only a couple minutes, and he got mentally and physically, uh, retarded from it. You know, I mean that's just a medical term, but loss of, I won't say loss of the limb, but crippled, crippled like one side. You know speech, and you know he's always, always going to need uh, assistance and stuff. So somehow I lucked out, you know, but I think that like kind of removed a layer of whatever. So I've always been, I've always seen things different than other people, you know, and when I was a kid, we my mom, single mom, two, me and my sister she's five years older than me we moved a lot and I just remember, wow, why do we even unpack? You know what I mean? Like we're always just moving and stuff. So we ended up having this one.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:19

We were always just moving and stuff, so we ended up having this one apartment in Huntington Beach, california, and the place was haunted like a motherfucker man. I mean. I don't even remember sleeping in that house. I remember going to the bathroom and seeing the stove moving on the way and the cabinet doors closing and stuff you know, on the way, and the doors cabinet doors closing and stuff, you know. It sounded like a metal frame bed being dragged over, like the floor, you know, and it was all the time, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:50

And I thought at one point in time when I got a little older, I'm like, oh, you know, the cabinets and all that stuff, like that's just the child's mind, I go. The neighbors were probably just fucking like crazy. That's why I'm hearing all the banging and you know and stuff. But then I started thinking about it and I was like I remember being next sleep, next to my mom and trying to wake her up during all this stuff, you know, and she wouldn't wake up. My older sister wouldn't wake up and I remember. So you know it was, it was terrifying to me. So I like had that and then I was living with my grandparents my mom, you know, I was probably about, or no, I was staying at my grandparents.

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:30

I was probably about seven years old, and there was me and my friend, jb, from across the street and we were staying're, you know, spending the night and it's like a saturday night, and I remember I was just, I had the, had the front windows and we had this couch right along the front front window, right there, looking straight out into the street, you know, and it was a clear night and there's a big ass moon and I remember my buddy was my, my buddy was sleeping on the on the couch right there, and I'm on the couch and I'm just staring at the moon and I see this thing flying like around. So I'm just staring at it and then I see it like it's giving me chills. I see it like swoop, like close, like through the trees, like in front of the house and like around, and I was like whoa, you know, like it was like a, like a flash, though, or not a flash, but like a swoosh, but it was black, like a shadow, you know, and then I'd see, then I'd see like it go back up and then it'd come back down and I remember I was like man and it just reminded me of like how a witch would fly. And as soon as that like crossed my mind. Bam, right on my right in the window there was a witch like right there, like the nose, the face and that is gnarly teeth.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:53

Was she green?

Trez Mala: 38:53

Yes, oh, it's the fucking same thing I saw.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:57

It was like it was like a like a light, like a light green like, and I remember just freezing and it tapped on the window and I just like, slowly, just turned away and, like, looked at my friend and then, as I like kind of like look back, it took off being a glutton for punishment. I stared at that, I waited for it to happen again and it never happened. But, dude, it scared the hell out of me because all of a sudden it was like bam right in my face and then the teeth. I remember the teeth were broken and it was gnarly dude, and it just, you know, uh, it was a cinematic situation and feel, you know, but, like I remember, the finger looked like it was wood, you know, like it was a long nail or something, scared the hell out of me. I mean, I remember it. Like you know, I still think about it all the time I don't want to say all the time, but it comes up you know, you know, and had another thing like that happened to me out in the desert camping.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:04

Now, it wasn't anything that close, but my uncle used to take me camping. We'd go out into, basically, the Mojave I live in Las Vegas, which is the Mojave, but this isn't the California side. Now, granted, uh, knowing what I know now, you know, with all the military stuff that's in and around, who knows? But it was kind of early in night, but you know, sun goes down, it's dark, you know, and we got a little fire and I had a spotting scope and I'm just kind of aiming it in the sky. You know, when you have stuff like that, it's all shaky and everything. You know, I didn't have a tripod or anything. So I'm like looking, and I actually have this moment where I have a just a clear shot and I'm kind of just like looking at a star and all of a sudden, this thing, this comes up and stops right in front of it or like below it. So now, and I was like whoa and I'm like looking, I'm trying to find it again, you know, but once you take your eye off of it, you know, it's almost impossible to get back to what you were looking at, you know. And so I'm like looking and all of a sudden I see this thing. Now I don't know where you, I don't know how it is, where you guys are, but like here in the spring or whatever, we get these like little gnats that fly in these little square patterns. They kind of just bounce around in a little square pattern, like they just kind of you know, they're not like fruit flies or anything, I don't know what they are, but this thing was flying like that, but just like a star, but as a dot, glowing dot, and just like in a square pattern, ready to go back and forth. But it was all like in 90 degrees. It wasn't like a circle or you know, everything was a straight line of where it was moving and I was like holy shit. And then all of a sudden another one flies right up to it and then it starts doing its little patterns. So so it's kind of they're just like moving.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:01

And and I get my uncle and I'm like yo, dude, I go look up there, and he's just like I don't, I don't see anything. And I was like right there and I pointed and stuff, and he was just like, oh yeah, you know, I mean it could be a million things, you know, and I was just like you know. So I'm freaking out. You know, I'm probably like 10 years old and I'm like I'm just like, no, that just you know. It did. You know, when stuff just doesn't sit right, you know, yeah. And so next thing, you know, he's like I'm going to bed. I'm like okay, and I was, I'm watching it, and they're there for a while.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:36

I mean, in my mind, 20 minutes, but you know it could have been five minutes, I don't know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:44

I mean I'm just like locked in on this and um, next thing, you know, as they're like doing their little patterns, one just goes, you know, like in the movies, when, when things just kind of that thing just darts off and goes and and I was like, wow, right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:02

So I'm watching the other one up there and all of a sudden it's coming down, like towards me, like towards where we're at, but it's way the hell up there, but it's coming and I'm looking at it and it's coming. Next thing, you know, this thing just comes down down, but it's still far away it's, but it's like now it feels like it's in our atmosphere, it's in our you know what I mean like if it got any closer I think I would have been able to actually see it, but it was still just the light, what I'm able to see, if that makes sense. And this thing comes down and I, I just get this feeling like it's staring at me, you know, and so I'm just like kind of. So I decided to go back to the truck where you know where my uncle was, because we were camping at it like a little camper. So I go back to the truck and I was kind of like waiting there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:57

I'm just kind of, you know, and then I kind of look up and the thing is over here now, so I had got out of the way of it to be able to see me. And next thing, you know, when I look up, it's over on the other part of the sky looking at me and I was just like, oh my god, and like, as soon as I said that, it just took off. So then, just like with the witch, I stood there all night long until the sun come up, looking for that thing. But I mean, both times were were things that like I felt like something, I, I, I felt like there was something being told to me. I don't know what it is, I don't, I.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:38

It's still one of those things I go over over my mind, other than I can just say that it's really like, let me know, like don't, uh, don't discredit or discount anything or everything you know, like you might want to understand, uh, or you know, understand that you might be beyond your level of thinking, you know, I mean that's where they come up with them. That's where they come up with them. That's where they come up with the with the uh, the word coincidence. It's just a way for them to to say, oh, it's a coincidence, when they can't scientifically explain it, right, I mean that's all. I mean that's all. That is when, when, when they're all like all these things, like mind over matter type stuff you know works and all this shit, and like, ah well, it's just a coincidence.

Trez Mala: 45:19

You know, like the ladies adrenals went in, it was like oh no, dude, there was a manipulation of of the reality, you know that's what I think, and it seems like almost you willed or manifested or influenced those situations with your thoughts because, like you said, as soon as you thought something, the situation changed. What do you think that that witch thing was? Do you have any thoughts on that? You said, you go back and forth in your head, but that's a wild story. What do you, what do you make of it?

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:47

um, well, I, I don't. I mean, I don't know, because if it was like a, if it was like a, uh, a child abduction thing, I would have been taken. You know, I mean something that was moving that quick, that fast. Was it my imagination? I mean it was fucking really shit. You know, I, I remember going to sleep. You know what I mean. I remember staying up until I had to go to sleep. You know what I mean. Like, um, so it wasn't like a dream or anything, I don't know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:20

Man, sometimes I, I mean, if the devil wants to recruit you, I don't think you'd send a witch. You know what I mean. Like, that's not my kind of kink. Yeah, you're not getting even a big titty witch. I'm probably not going to go. I don't deal with warts, you, but, uh, geez, I, you know, I, like I said I think it was a message to like, let me know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:45

Like there's things out there, you know, I remember when I was a kid uh, speaking about, you had a demonologist. I had a. Uh, I had a guy that gave me the book of demonology when I was probably about 15 and um, because I thought it was all cool, slayer, uh, right, and uh, so I was like, you know, I was into like reading it and stuff, and it talked about all these, all these different things and these trolls and these, these, uh, these energy, uh, you know, demons and stuff. And I had a. I had a dream one time at least I thought it was a dream when I was a kid that uh, when we were sleeping at a ymca, a little after school thing, that I saw like demons or like demon shadows like sitting or crawling around the kids. You know, all the kids that had like were asleep and I had like kind of woken up and I just saw like it was kind of like Monsters Inc, like everything had like its own little different entity with it, and that wasn't anything that like stuck out in my mind. But when I was reading that book I was like, oh shit, you know, I was like that really conjured up a big like memory, because that happened when I was reading that book. I was like, oh shit, you know, I was like that really conjured up a big like memory, because that happened when I was a kid.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:06

But when I was like 15 reading that book, I was like, okay, there's something to all this shit, you know, but that's how the you know. That's the thing is. Right now. The whole world it's all about good and evil. Dude, I mean, that's the whole thing. I tell people I don't, I don't care if you're religious or not. The people who are running the world and how they choose to operate the world, do believe in in whatever religion, doc, doctrine, be it the talmud or whatever, and they're making decisions about for humanity based off of that shit.

Trez Mala: 48:36

So you know um, it's not a matter if we believe it or not. If they believe it and they, their actions are influenced by those beliefs which then have an effect on us, so we kind of need to be aware of it either way yeah, and me myself, you know, I mean I was kind of um, I was raised in and around a mormon family, mormon stuff.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:57

I was baptized, was baptized Mormon, but my grandparents worked strict with it, you know, and all that and I, I, I I do, like you know, it's crazy too is how much like pre-flood historical fact that the Mormons have in their doctrine about the, about this land, america, like what was actually here pre-flood and all sorts of that's like backed up with indians and, you know, the native tribes and all sorts of like that. But I, like 10 years old, was like I don't want to be around any of these people, because being around people at school baseball all my friends I skateboarded with and there was always like this competition, there's backstabbing, there's these rules, there's these, you know, and I remember going in the church and I was like this is just more of that. You know what I mean. And and then, and then what's funny too, was like people who were like holy rollers were caught cheating with each other's you know, banging other people in church and stuff. So I was like I don't need organized religion.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:04

I think the most thing that I got out of out of it was like where to look into things, not what they're doing and all that. But uh, I'm a, I'm a, I'm definitely a god-fearing uh christian. You know, I'm a. Uh, I got my own hang-ups and shit, dude, you know. But and I'm not like a Bible thumper and judge people and stuff because I didn't know, that's not my position. But a lot of the things that I do, you know, a lot of the things that I make my decisions and consider now in life are based off of, you know, the Christ doctrine, and it's not, uh, there's a lot more that I can learn. But you know, as the more you learn, you're like even this is kind of there's something past this that led to this, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:53

So that's where I get into like history and all that stuff, because you know, oh man, that really, that really ties into what they were saying over in this side of the world or whatnot. You know there's a lot to be said. That's why, you know, I always laugh at people that are so sure. Right now you know what I mean. I go, dude, this is your first time you know what I mean. This is what we know. This is our first time here. How do we know what is what and who? You know?

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:19

I mean, fuck, dude, if you look at like a lot of our history I mean you go back in your family bloodline it's gonna stop up to a certain point where you can't find anything. You know what I mean. Like the majority of people, that shit stops in the 1800s. Dude, you can't find shit. So are we like our people? Have you guys heard of the cabbage patch theory? Oh, yeah, man, that's just you know what I mean. Like human cloning and like the big reset and they added a thousand years, so like everything was supposed to be like, say, 900, and they put now it's 1902. Or you know what I mean. Like, yeah, my uncle did, my uncle was, uh, really big into genealogy and he's like, yeah, dude, I can only trace people back. So only so far, you know.

Trez Mala: 52:00

And uh, I was like dude, we're reset people it really could be and one of the craziest things. I mean it's not even that crazy. But when I first heard some of the cabbage patch stuff like being proposed as a serious thing, I in my head I just was like all right, let me look. What is the closest plant to human dna and it's cabbage so really, yeah, maybe it really didn't know that something they pulled off.

Trez Mala: 52:23

Yeah, like, if you think about it that way, maybe they really could have figured out a way to grow a person with cabbage or something.

"$awbuck" Mike: 52:30

If they're doing other types of cloning and gene splicing, it makes sense well, remember in the, uh, when you look at like the, at like the, the the 20s and the, the 1910s, and they had like human incubators.

"$awbuck" Mike: 52:50

There was just babies in these incubators, you know, and it was quite prevalent in the, in the eastern, like cities, you know, in these places, like this was like a thing and it was like where the hell did these kids come from? Then they had the orphan trains where it just shows, you know, ship shipping all these kids out and they're just like, oh yeah, they're just from, they're displaced from war and they're like this still doesn't make sense, like there's not that many displaced people. Like we're the you know what I mean like we're the moms, you know, but, uh, they had technologies back then that were, I mean, they definitely suppressing stuff. I mean, everything we told, everything we're told, is a lie, man, I mean top down, you know, and, um, I think once we start getting more and more to the core of the onion, that's when they hit the reset they get rid of us again. Dude, you know, seems like they're trying right now.

Trez Mala: 53:44

I was about to say it feels pretty close right now.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:48

Well, you know one of the things I remember Alex Jones mentioned this he goes dude. When they try to depopulate, the population tends to boom. He's like they've been. They've been slowly instead of like a direct threat. They've been slowly doing this in a, in a subverted way. Where it's now and it's a, it's manipulating the genetics, whereas first, yeah, at other times, when you go to like, put an attack, send people to world war and stuff, people tend to breed like a motherfucker. Yeah, when there's. What's crazy is when there's like, when there's a potential threat to the species, we tend to, we tend to breed more, you know. But the thing is, is what they're doing now does look like they're just?

"$awbuck" Mike: 54:45

breeding prevention instead. Yeah yeah, there's a population crisis. I mean, right now, I think Japan is paying people to go over there and knock up their women.

"$awbuck" Mike: 54:54

Sounds like a sweet deal, yeah it does Especially especially when you see some of them, mamas, over there. But um, russia was doing the same thing. Russia, um, uh, a few countries, they're like giving people tax free loan or um interest free loans to start families or in a business and stuff like that for people, young people, to get married. Uh, china, I mean they reverse their child policy thing because they're heading for they're heading for a shit storm, you know sounds like someone needs to book a comedy tour in japan and russia.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:31

Yeah, I remember, uh, this was some years back because they've been in vega. They were in vegas for a long time but uh, putin like hired uh boys to men to tour over there to spur love making and I guess they had like the most amount of songs that were played in the bedroom or something. Yeah, they scientifically like yeah, so they tried to make them a big deal in russia so that people would start about it and shit. You know, that's hilarious.

Trez Mala: 56:02

When you mentioned that, uh, we reproduce more when there's, you know, a threat. I've heard that more men are born around that time of war too. It's like humanity's balancing itself out whenever there's big wars, like just producing more fighting males. And if they were trying to just wipe us out and realize it doesn't work that way, then yeah, why not fuck everybody up, uh, with hormone imbalances and all types of things to kill our sterility, or even cutting off genitalia and making everybody uh, mate with the same sex, or not having fucking sex or gender, who the fuck knows.

Trez Mala: 56:34

But yeah, that seems to be the plan of action now for depopulation then is just sterilization.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:41

Yeah, and it's all done off of like a lot of that stuff is all done off of the spin of what, like being free is oh, you're free to do whatever you want. And then you have people that like kinda, you know, either chemically or emotionally or physically manipulate people into doing these things out of freedom and doing you know what's best for you, and stuff, you know when that's. You know that's a weaponization of our freedoms and all that. But so it's like, well, now you're going to put a law where you're saying you can't do anything with your body. Well, yeah, I mean, to a certain point, when you're before you're 18, you know what I mean there's got to be a level, and it should be higher than that, really, because I mean I don't think your brain is fully developed until like 24 or something like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:34

You know, like I'll be honest, though, I mean, other than finding better ways to like articulate myself and stuff, I'm kind of the same as I was when I was a teen, you know, other than some things I've grown to like, no, I just don't like that anymore, you know, or, this is not my thing, but they're, I mean they're they're trying to whittle us down, man, I mean from you know everything from toxic masculinity to, I mean, shit, dude, they had tiktoks of these little, these soy boys that are like bone and tendon. Telling people that it's like, uh, it working out is, you know, somehow oppressive yeah, yeah, you know, and yeah you know, and I was like taking care of yourself.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:20

Is you know? What do you expect from people with low testosterone? Man for real seriously, yeah, what's that gonna get you? Those dudes gonna, those dudes are gonna man the farm slaughter the cows and I mean, uh, you know, make the, uh, make the, the grass patties fucking, you know what are some of your favorite rabbit?

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:45

holes to go down there's a lot, because it all like, uh, it all ties together, but, um, what truly, uh, I do? I do like there's a work done by a gentleman that I think very highly of, uh, michael to Sarian, oh yeah, and uh, he had, uh uh, atlantis, alien visitation and genetic manipulation, and basically he breaks down how there was either cosmic or interdimensional travelers that came here and basically set up shop here on the planet. Set up shop here on the planet and there was another planet that was in between what, mars and Jupiter, or us and Mars, I forget what it's which one, but it was called Tiamat and they they believe that it was it was called the, the second son. I think it was the second son, tiamat.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:48

Yep.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:50

And the escapees, the people that are running away from said galaxy, which I forget. I I'm kind of spinning my wheels with this, but, uh, they came here but instead of like setting up shop on here on earth, they set up shop like a dummy deal on tiamat or marduk. And the pursuers came here and basically said you know what? We're not going to waste any time and just blow up the planet, right? So where that planet is, we have our asteroid belt, and the asteroid belt still still goes around, right, and um, a lot of the stuff that they believe that was from that planet. It gets cryogenically frozen in space and some of that cosmic debris when it made its way close to our atmosphere and gets pulled in.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:52

This is, if you believe in space, right, you know that kind of deal, right. But that's where we get a lot of the creatures, ocean creatures and stuff that are here supposedly from another planet. And I remember when I was just moved out here to vegas, there was a it's called Tule Springs and they had, like, in just this one little area it rained frogs, tadpoles and frogs, but they literally fell out of the sky and they talk about that in other places, where it's rained fish before it's rained frogs.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:29

It's rained salamanders and stuff right and um, supposed those are things that are part of what was naturally here. It's kind of brought here, um, but I find that stuff fascinating and it goes in, that stuff from there goes into, you know, from the anunnaki to, uh, basically you know manipulation of man and basically making it what we are today. And it's funny is when I listened, when I listened to dudes like Tasarian and David Icke and they talked about this shit that they research and Jordan Maxwell and stuff they research from dudes before and they were talking about all this. You know our DNA has been been messed with we're, we're nowhere on the evolutionary chain, like there's no monkey to us. There's something in between if we're supposed to be. You know, like all this you know, and then it comes out with all these different scientists and quantum. You know stuff that these people were like oh yeah, dude, uh, our DNA has been altered. You know our telomeres have been cut, like we should be able to regenerate a limb. If this was connected we'd be able to live forever. You know all this kind of stuff. I mean, if you look at it, we're like the old cars, dude, the cars now. You know planned obsolescence, so whatever, like created us.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:54

And then when you get to the Bible, they're like, yeah, so-and-so lived 300 and some years. You're like that's fuck, that's fucking stupid. No one's living 300 years. But they're like, dude, if this, if these two things were connected, we'd be living like 300 years. You know what I mean? Like it's like crazy. So I there's a lot of validity to it, to that stuff. That's one of the things I go rabbit hole with. The other thing which goes along with that is like the psyop that we're bombarded with. Again, being somebody that tells jokes and uses deception and turns and keeps people on their toes. You see it all over, you know. I mean I think they live is one of them, is one of my favorite my favorite movie ever you know, and it just it tells you so much.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:42

You know, and, um, limited dialogue in that movie too, a lot of it's like showing you different things, but um, it's everywhere, you know, I mean. And then when you look at like people like like, oh, that's crazy, I go, dude, you know, they spend four billion dollars a year in in marketing, research and for in advertising towards kids, children. Four billion dollars, it's probably even more. Now you know what I I mean. And why is that? They're creating brands for life, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:14

And what do you do with politics? I mean, why do you think we have student body president and da-da-da-da-da, you know, and all that shit, dude, we're just building them all the way up. You know, I mean, look at all the politicians today, dude. They were all student body presidents and all presidents and all you know what I mean they're. They're all involved. Well, they were all involved. They were all involved from day one of wanting to be help, you know. But then when you find out the how good of a business is of being a politician, of not doing shit and, uh, getting greased everywhere, fuck, I understand you mentioned, you're a tessarian guy.

Trez Mala: 1:04:51

Have you gone down as a?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:56

you mentioned, you're a tessarian guy. Have you gone down as a irish origin of civilization route? Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, that's some. I love that stuff. A lot of that, uh, a lot of that. You know, when you tie that in with the? Uh phoenicians and the the uh the egyptians, you get into the like italian bloodlines and you know, um, I know tripoli has mentioned it before, but that's like where the supposedly what's like really ruling the world?

Trez Mala: 1:05:22

you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:23

So a lot of people think it's the jews, which I mean you can't deny they're doing their thing right, but there's layers of the 13 families, the bloodlines, you know, sure, and these people are people you know. I mean, we know the rockefellers and the rock childs and we know the vanderbilts and you know all the, all these people and all the stuff, you know whoever, but you don't hear of like the christine's and you don't hear of like all these the osiris and like the christines and you don't hear of like all these the osiris and all these people who are like resource owners, but they're like bloodline people, right, you know, untouchables, I guess, you know, I guess there's people you start talking about them and weird happens to you and start starts going on in your life.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:08

You know so. There's so many, there's so many layers to everything. Um, getting back to the tessarian with the druid stuff, did you ever see the family guy where it shows?

Trez Mala: 1:06:23

it shows the irish before alcohol before alcohol I feel like that was a nod to the Tartaria civilization thing too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:32

That is 100% telling you. Look how we brought them down. You know what I mean. And here's another thing too when you want to look at trophy heads, look at our money. Look at the heads on our money. Almost all of the people who are on our dollar our faces are on our dollar oppose the Federal Reserve System. Only a couple of them that actually supported it, but they're all trophy heads. They were all defeated. You know what I mean. I mean Andrew Jackson, probably the biggest one. I mean they had two attempts on his life and it said on his uh headstone I killed the banks, right, but they still got what they wanted to do it and they put their, they put his head on his face on their money because it's like a you for life, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:23

But there's so much symbolism in the thing, I mean it's, it's truly like look who went up against us. We took him out Abraham Lincoln. It is on George Washington. You know he died from some botched operation. Right, bill woodrow wilson, and that was the dude who signed in the federal reserve act and got, got it all right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:56

But after he did, he comes out and he says I think I unwittingly destroyed my country, country from, yeah, from within and uh, they were like, yeah, buddy, I am, you get the top note. You know what I mean. It's crazy how they do. But, um, you know, for all this stuff, that like for everyday people, all of us like, it's like, oh, that's stupid, it's weird, these elites, they're obsessed with it and if you've ever been around people who got like, who are like got like crazy money, someone in their family, if not them directly, are obsessed with their family tree and their bloodline and they have pictures. I've been in, I've been in some very wealthy people's homes and stuff and every single one of them has something that shows the lineage of both the families, just that. And they track it and it's like a running ledger of sorts that's just a coincidence bro yeah

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:51

exactly. You know. You know, I mean look, and when you look at all the, you look at all the presidents, you look at all the rich people and stuff, you know, um, they're all got these bloodlines, they're interwoven celebrities, they're like how does that? Even because again, there's stuff there that they they get outside of the bloodline so they don't make retarded fucking people. But there's a lot of inbreeding in that shit. When you look at him, like how the fuck is this dude? You know, like hey, there's some people. You're like how the fuck is this dude supposed to be like top dog? I mean he looks like he's like pulls his pants down to his ankles when he takes a piss in a urinal.

Trez Mala: 1:09:27

You know what I mean like I'm a big boy, you know uh, and it's because a lot of times they think that they are related to some like supernatural being or beings, or the fallen angels or the nephilim or whatever, some like mythological king they trace their bloodline back to in most cases.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:45

Well, you know they think they're better. Right, they tell themselves that they're better. They raise their kids to believe that they're better. They don't look at money the same way as we do. We don't look at opportunities in business the same way as we do. It's a totally different thing, and they are on these blue blood elites and stuff. They are on a different vibration.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:10

Sure, it is true, I mean, it is there's, you know, you know, a great guy to look up and research kevin trudeau, not justin trudeau from I think they're both from canada, though but kevin trudeau, the guy that had the, the cures they don't want you to know about, and the money they don't want you to know about, and the. You know. This dude broke down all the bullshit, put it into a book in an infomercial and was like look, dude, they're telling you this because they want to sell you these medicines, they want to do all this. And well, this guy had a great seminar or whatever, called uh, your wish is your, and he took all these teachings from like, illuminati, study, the brotherhood, all I mean, all these different things, and he compiled it in there on how to like, use your mind and all stuff like that. Well, this information was so powerful, they put this dude in prison. You know tax and all this shit like that. Now he's out and he's on TikTok and he's going crazy, dude. I mean he's just putting it all out there again.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:21

But if you can find his works, that guy you want to talk about being ahead of his time, dude, but he's talking on the surface level and he talks about like how, like the Brotherhood and the Illuminati and like all these different, the tri-penos, people from the Trilateral Commission and all this shit, and he's talking like everybody knows what he's talking about. But the audience that he is talking to does know. So any Joe Blow that buys his stuff or bought it back, then they're like this is a bunch of garbage. I don't know what he's talking about. They have no frame of reference, but it tells you everything about your mind garbage, I don't know what he's talking about. So they have no like frame arrest reference, but it tells you everything about your mind and it tells you everything about how, like how to go about your business and do things, like how the elite do, and he talks about they are on another vibration and this is how you get to that vibration. That's basically what his whole thing is and it's really, it's amazing work. It's something I think you know. Uh, you can find it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:13

I had it, but they took it off. I had it saved on a playlist. They took it off the internet. Um, yeah, and you know what? They put all his shit out there for a while for free, so he couldn't make any money. So, whoever like, when they took it, when the government took over his shit, they put all that shit on the internet for free, so he couldn't make any money off of it Because they didn't want his money from the tax or anything. They wanted to shut him down and like, stifle it, so they went. And then once somebody, you know, once somebody that gets arrested for fraud and all this stuff like that, then all this shit's out for free. No one watches it. You know, it's fucking bars of gold sitting. It was sitting right there for anybody to pick up, you know. But yeah, kevin trudeau dude that guy was. That guy was legit as far as breaking down information and stuff was he talking about the families we don't mention?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:05

some of it a little bit. You know what's crazy is one of my big problems is I end up doing so much research and covering a lot of that I I don't know where I saw it or I couldn't give you the link right. I'm not a guy that saves links and all stuff and when I do a lot of stuff that I have, I go back play page doesn't exist or you know, oh yeah, so I I quit, quit trying to like keep everything you know, um, and then when I did, I could never find it. I got it somewhere. But I I came across this like map and it was like corporations, world leaders, the bloodline families, that uh. Then it went to like this old world stuff and he's like old world families, you know, and I was like holy cow man, there's a lot of other shit here. Then it had like this other link to click off that and they were it was like basically went into like a world of like conan the barbarian and all these like different you know ancient stuff and basically what it was saying there is of like, if you've made it this far, fucking good luck. You know what I mean, because you're not getting out of. You're not getting out of this little. You know and, um, I wouldn't even know where to start Looking at all these names, shit, I couldn't pronounce these maps that had countries or regions or whatever.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:40

That I don't know what language is in. They are all hyperlinked and everything. You can click to it and it'd give you all the information, but it was just blah, blah, blah, blah blah. But there's so much shit, what do you do? You know what I mean? Like, where do you start? You know how? Do you even make sense of what we got going on in front of us On the surface?

Trez Mala: 1:15:02

though, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:05

Fuck man.

Trez Mala: 1:15:06

I think I might know what you're talking about a little bit. Like you said, there was like some Conan the Barbarian shit where it was like there was dragons and that's why castles were fortified and there was tesla towers and knights. Armors was actually designed to like fight electromagnetic weapons and shit like that. Is it something like that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:25

it was more towards the families or tribes and what they did, what they controlled, and the regions. It didn't get into anything that would we would consider uh, mythical or um, any anything like that. But it was like conquering and, you know, taking over, and it, uh, it seemed to be the world like there was a world before and there was a world after the collapse or after the flood or the whatever, some sort of cataclysm, yeah, and all I know is that one. I wish I had it because there was a lot I'd like to reference from it. But the other thing is, you think you know something and then there's like, lot I'd like to reference from. But the other thing is, uh, you think you know something and then there's like, oh, no, this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:16

It's like, uh, men in black, you know, like, you're gonna let them, you, we gotta let them know that they're living in a, in a locker. You know there's much more to the world than that. And the dude's like, oh, you don't know anything, opens up the door and then they're in a locker, you know, and then the whole, you, they got the whole train station for aliens. And you know, uh, that's how, the like, the more you research, the more you'll find I. That's why I was always big, a big proponent. Everybody's like, oh, let's raid epstein's island. I go, yeah, cool, let's raid the vatican vault. That's where, to me I think that's where the world's secrets are everything I'm with you you know when they tell us oh yeah, they took all the stuff and then they burned it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:56

No, they didn't, they got miles of information under there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:00

Yeah, but it's information. They sought out information to learn more about the world or whatever, to get a better advantage of stuff, and then they're just going to burn it and stuff. No, get a better advantage of stuff, and then they're just going to burn it and stuff. These guys took that charts in this way. They're trying to predict whatever they can, from astrology all the way down to numerology, and making things happen. What do they know? What do they know about the herbs in that area that we don't know? You know what's written down. What kind of medical procedures are they doing over here that we could benefit? You know what I'm saying? They just burned it, you know, took all the gold.

Trez Mala: 1:17:38

That was it. Now, pretty much tied back to what else you said too. If they were able to raise their vibration or use powers that are already accessible to us, but just suppress it from everyone else, so they're the only ones that can use it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:50

It's the same thing with knowledge have you, have you guys, ever heard of the ancient miners theory? Not sure, god yeah, not sure tell us so when I was going down my uh, uh, tartarian, uh rabbit hole, I came across this thing called the ancient miners and uh, have you ever heard of like all the? All the rivers and lakes, like in the united states, are fake. They're man-made.

Trez Mala: 1:18:20

I have heard people say that they were excavated, yeah, or like blown out with dynamite or something.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:25

They're a construct, right. So ancient miners theory is there's these aliens, there's a life form that came here to mine the minerals, but the planet wasn't, uh, as you would say, um, fully developed, right, so there's a phenomenon when lightning strikes and hits the ground, if it's the right kind of minerals and stuff, it'll make. When that that electricity disperses, and you know how it does, its patterns and stuff, the scarring on the earth, right, it'll where that energy goes. If there's the right kind of minerals, it'll actually make a mineral. You know what I mean. Like it'll make. It's, uh, it's like a form of alchemy or whatnot, like combining, right. So you know how, like, uh, they, they're always trying to turn lead into gold, right, the chemistry and stuff. Well, apparently, with the amount of heat from saying, like a lightning strike and the right elements, gold can be made. Right, gold can actually appear and I think that's how actually gold comes from is some sort of energy and the elements makes it. So, with the lightning hitting the area, it would make, uh, this pattern. Okay, now, one of the things is, with this pattern, the pattern has, like very lightning striking stuff or electricity, it has a very distinct branch pattern and there's these parts where it connects and it kind of makes like a four right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:05

So this dude, like, breaks down. He goes you look at all the rivers, you look at all the streams. You look at all the from the grand canyon stuff, the rivers, you look at all the streams, you look at all the from the grand canyon stuff. This looks like a lightning strike in these areas that made all this. And then something would have to come and excavate all that out, right, so with the body, water or a source of water around aquifer underneath, why not, if they were to be able to use giant water cannons or something like that? Because what's the best way to cut through anything is water, right, high pressure water can cut through metal. Right, blast it all out, break it all down and take the gold, take the ore, take whatever they're able to create. So this guy uses a demonstration of a wooden table and this is art that they do and they take an electric pan or whatever it is and they put it in the wood and it burns all through the wood.

Trez Mala: 1:21:09

It's like a Bainey Rudy looking pattern yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:21:13

And as you're watching this happen, you're like that's the grand canyon, that's the grand canyon right there. Because, dude, I I do tours to the grand canyon and there's parts of the tour where I'm like this, this doesn't make sense for a river to cut all this out, all the stuff off to the sides, the branches, it looks like lungs, like the, the pulmonary, you know the brachial, you know track or whatnot. And so then, if you think about it, if there was some, if there was some being or something here that had that technology to do that and then had then to use the hydro to loosen it all up so they can break it out, and they had just imagine, if they had giants, that'd be easy work for them pull it up. But then to get down to the nitty-gritty, they make the ants, right. So we go down there and we're panning for gold and you know what I mean like we're still digging it up today.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:22:08

But there's part of these like in these, in these areas, these regions, there's part of these like, like in these, in these areas, these regions, there's part of where this gold is that they were just like fuck it, dude, we're not just, we're not getting all the way in there, like that's, that's for here, you know, but when you look at that electrical thing and you look at the, the burning of the wood, and you look at all the rivers and all the stuff, you're like, holy shit, you can't really just draw, you can't smoke that enough, enough weed to just pull that out of your ass, right? You know what I mean. Like, this is something I'd have to go like. Well, the math here is what's putting these together. You know what I mean. Like, because, again, when it comes to the grand canyon, there's a bunch of shit. This doesn't make sense as far as the flow of the river and all the stuff around it. But the big gaps of like pillars in the middle, pretty much no, no, no, there's uh, so there's these big.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:23:07

So you have like these layers in the, on the, on the wall right, it looks like years that. Then there's like this huge flat, you know, section, it's probably like 1200 feet, that's just a band goes all the way around and it's like that. You know, it's like that in in a couple spots and it was like that's a massive something movement, something to happen right there and it's clean, it's. You know what I mean. It's, but it's all it's. It's a layer of the grand canyon. To me, I think that was like a big harvest is that layer?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:23:41

that smooth layer. Is it vitrified?

Trez Mala: 1:23:43

what do you mean?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:23:44

I'm a vitrified is when, um rock is heated up to its molten and then it, and then it cures and it becomes smooth like glass. They find this in peru and montepichu. They find it in the andes mountains, in certain areas where literally, rock was heated up to temperatures that we can't even comprehend here on earth today, and it's like what happens from a nuclear blast it vitrifies the rock, it turns it into like a shiny, flat glass.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:13

It vitrifies the rock it turns it into like a shiny flat glass. I was just wondering if that's how it appeared. No, um, not from where? Not from what I've seen. I haven't seen anything like that. When I say smooth, it's not like um, it's not smooth as far as, like you know, to the touch. It's smooth as far as it's a clean section that goes, you know, around the whole thing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:31

It's in comparison to the jagged pieces. It's very smooth In comparison to the other pieces.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:36

Yeah, you're seeing layers and all of a sudden, this big layer.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:42

That's a tremendous amount of time too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:47

Exactly. It seems like it was something that would happen quick to be able to do that With other things. It looks like it's stripping, stripping, stripping, but then that's just along the wall. But then there's things that go. It all goes in, like that electric. Everything goes down the center but it's still burning out. Again makes a lot of sense.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:05

And then, as you're talking about the pillars and stuff down there, why can't we go? There's a few places we can't we go. There's a certain there's a few places we can't go to the grand canyon, you know, and you know what else is crazy about the grand canyon? They have the most uh, at least this is some years ago but they had the most amount of escaped convicts living in the grand canyon because the terrain's so gnarly and stuff they pretty much can't afford to rescue or or retrieve or anything like that. So, yeah, when people disappear, it's like, well, they could be a serial killer living out there that they've never got. You know who knows. But I like the hood, you know. But um, there's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:44

You know they talk about the lost city of gold being in the grand canyon. That would go along with an ancient minor theory. It really would, you know. And if they had the technology to do that to the rock? And then you see how they do have those pictures of the place that were like cathedrals carved out in that rock. You know, it's crazy how we're just led to believe that that shit was just done by somebody, just yeah, I don't know you know?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:11

have you heard of the kincaid expedition? Down in the in the canyon in the early 1900s, where he found all the egyptian gold and artifacts, and then the smithsonian. They printed it in the paper, but then the smithsonian came in and like, no, it's all a mistake, never happened yeah, they, they, uh, they, they did that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:29

And then they also, uh, they, they did that with the giants whenever they found like a Giants. And then, you know, you have to remember, in the late 1800s late, I'd say 1880s, to like the you know, 1910s they were finding Giants all over the place, you know, and they would all just mysteriously disappear. You know, then the Nevada, we had the, we had the red giant, the hopi indians, uh, killed, or was it the piutes?

Trez Mala: 1:26:56

one or the other, but uh, was that? Was it called lovelock cave, the cave where they like trapped the giant in and smoked them out or whatever, and killed them?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:04

yep, yep. And then, uh, they found bones of something that would have been at least 14 feet tall. Um, the femur was like, you know, basically like my whole leg or something like my entire leg or thing would have been massive. Yeah, man, I mean, they, they've been trying to hide all sorts of shit. You know what's crazy about nevada? People we talk about we, we talk about the bermuda triangle people disappearing dude, we have our own Bermuda Triangle. Look it up, man, between here, uh, death Valley and Reno, there's this area like going on up. Um, I think it's been over 3,000 like missing aircraft. Uh, over like x amount of years or something. Dude, 3,000 like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:48

Like what? It's a strange place. That's all desert, right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:52

Yeah, but you know one thing which this would be, you know, really fucked up. But there's a couple of places you're not allowed to fly, which I don't think that many planes flew over the wrong place. But testing stuff out there all the time, you know these people, they see something they weren't supposed to see get taken down I don't know, that's a lot of people and to not find any wreckage. The other thing is we got area 51 or area 52 out there, you know who knows. But um, there's a lot of nevada that has never been. They say man's foot's never crossed, it's uncharted, like it's too dense to get through and if somebody has no one's really marked it or anything like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:38

But there was a billionaire that flew and he was flying up north. He had like this glider plane or something. I think his name was Fawcett and he disappeared for years. It took him a long time and I don't even think when they said they found him, uh, I don't think they were able to confirm, but he, he got, he died in the triangle.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:59

You know now their excuse is from all the radioactive dust that gets kicked in the air. It throws off the instruments because the testing thing is testing really wasn't done there. Unless they're not giving us the truth. Testing was done in a different place. So unless california had some testing going on you know everything moves from west to east, so it would if they were testing there. I mean, that's one of the things about like utah. Supposedly they have like really high cancer rates from the fallout. That would blow what uh from west to the east into utah. Supposedly they have like really high cancer rates from the fallout. That would blow what uh from west to the east into utah, the they call it the downwind effect and you know from all the testing in nevada just blow right on in. Here you got your little aaron brockovich situation where everybody in towns are getting cancer like a crazy rate.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:29:49

They don't know why going back to what you said about people never stepping foot in places of, uh, in certain spots in nevada, man, if if anybody's ever driven through the canyons of utah or the deserts of nevada, that is completely easy to conceive. I mean, it is ridiculous how vast that shit is. It's, it's terrifying, actually, like utah the canyons. That's some of the scariest shit I've ever seen. Yeah, it's, it's terrifying, actually, like utah the canyons.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:30:13

That's some of the scariest shit I've ever seen yeah, it's, oh yeah, unbelievable, beautiful, but right, exactly, terrifying, stunning. But uh, that's where they got that skinwalker ranch dude. You know, um, I I have. I have people that you know say they've been up there and all stuff and weird shits happen. You know, um, I have a, I have a friend who has a property that's supposedly not too far from there and he's like, bro, I get spooked out every time I go up there because something, always just the energy's, the energy's different dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:30:42

You know, I was just looking at buying some property in utah. Man, it was a beautiful place too. No, nowhere near that shit, because I don't play around. But uh, there's something about it. I mean, the native americans still don't allow their people to go on, uh, on that land. You know, there was a place where they've supposedly like there there's a buried treasure or something and like go get it. Every time they get closer someone gets. Uh, one of the dudes, uh, was attacked by a spirit like he's like with the scratch marks that you're saying they're burning on the face. Another dude just had, like a young guy just had like a heart attack out of nowhere. This is like kind of pre-covid when all this stuff. So it's not like you can blame the vax or anything you know, but uh, machine breaking, machines breaking down to like all sorts of crazy stuff where this dude spent like over a million dollars and just things just keep on happening. I'm trying to get down to that little uh, supposedly some treasure and shit it sounds like.

Trez Mala: 1:31:39

Oak Island.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:31:41

It sounds like what.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:42

Oak Island.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:31:43

Oh not, uh, okay, it's a, it's an.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:46

Island off the coast of Nova Scotia where they believe like the Holy Grail is buried, a guy, there's a tv show on it, it's called the curse of oak island. But uh, this has been documented for hundreds of years that there's something down there and they've found like there's. I can't even get into how much shit there is, but they found like ancient, fucking, uh, roman coins. They found banana hus, which banana husks in Canada, but these date back to like 1300. So, and it is rigged into such every time they start drilling it floods the chamber. Yeah, it's a show. I mean I was turned on to it before the show, but there's like 10 seasons of it on the.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:28

History Channel. It's called the Curse of Oak Island. It's an interesting show and it's I like those shows that kind of teach you history and kind of what we're into. At the same time you mentioned fucking the Utah, the Ranch. Skinwalker yeah have you ever seen the TV show Skinwalker Ranch?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:32:45

No.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:46

That's another one that's pretty good. They're very similar in the way they approach things. It seems to be legitimate, but you know it's on tv so you can never quite tell yeah, you know it, it depends.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:32:58

It depends. Sometimes stuff slips through the cracks. Sometimes it has to go out, you know, so they can say, oh, we told you.

Trez Mala: 1:33:06

I think that's part of it too, and they give them just enough, and then they'll mislead it just enough as well give a little bit of truth, a little bit of lie yeah, I mean, that's that's been, that's been like with everything.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:33:17

Really, you know. You know what's really sad is is a lot of times people are like, oh yeah, you know, like tv isn't what it used to be, or journalism, you know, and it was like dude, it was all you know and it was like dude. It was all like set up to be a psyop or controlled opposition from day one. You know, like it's all been, it's all been a part of the manipulation, you know. So what we? A lot of times, what we? I've gotten away from a lot of it because I guess it's the idea that, uh, freedom and truth and stuff like that and free will, and but, um, it's the idea of that stuff. But you would always look to examples people oh, so-and-so, used to be like this, and then now I was like, well, that dude was probably controlled too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:34:06

He just made. He just was there to make you feel like it wasn't a runaway train. You know, whatever you're feeling as far as their, whatever they're selling, you know I mean everything was all. I mean the hippie movement. You know what I mean. Like every, every single thing is just. You know. Yeah, I mean it's. I mean we are. We are this country. This whole thing is the world's greatest experiment. Do you guys know?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:39

that 44 of the 46 presidents can be traced back to the same bloodline. They all have common ancestors.

Trez Mala: 1:34:48

They're all the other royal families and shit too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:34:53

Who's the only one that's?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:54

not. I think they're Kennedy and I don't know if it was Roosevelt.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:34:59

I don't remember the two.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:35:00

It's Trump.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:35:01

Trump. He's the only one that doesn't have any ties to the. I think it all ends up going back to the Merovingian bloodline, holy Roman Empire. I think it all ends up going back to the Merovingian bloodline, the Roman Empire. I think it goes. I forget which one, but Trump was the only one that was not in any way, shape or form. His bloodline didn't. So you know, that's weird. I think that's weird, especially with all the hate that he gets and stuff. But again, I a lot of times I'm thinking pro wrestling too. That's 100 as we're, you know but.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:35:39

I but I, I mean personally, I would much rather have the dawn than whatever's coming in. You know, at least this guy, I mean, I hate to say it, but he's seems like the only one who's who's at least saying that he's trying to do something for, for this people, for a country you know what I mean. Like I like the idea of being energy independent. You know our country, I mean, when you think about it, how do you, how do you really control people, energy and food, you know, and you can't really do one without the other. That seems to be going, that seems to be a big issue right now. You know, and all the people that are with uh, you know, with the democrats and the big businesses, and you know they're all for us eating bugs and like that trump's out that Trump's outstretched If you think he is just a character propped up for us.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:36:34

Well, what was it? I think I do think there's a little bit of that. It's really tough to see. You know, one of the things that doesn't get mentioned was when Trump was in office, I believe, on two separate occasions his food tasters were poisoned, wow, and they didn't bring that up, but when he was in office, the the two of his people. That's why he always goes to uh, he tries to go to random restaurants and usually goes to fast food. So people are like, oh, dude, he's always eating mcdonald's and because, dude, he can just pop into any mcdonald's food ain't going to be poisoned, you know, and they send them out to like different locations and stuff. So they don't even know. Besides the point, though, there's been other attempts on his life. There are a lot of me. A lot of me is like dude, they shot at Trump. You know there's multiple shooters, an inside job. Then there's a lot I'm looking at then there's a lot I'm looking at.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:37:33

I was like, dude, was this, was this staged? You know what I mean? I don't, I, I don't, yeah, and I and again, as we were saying, they throw out so much stuff to make us go back and forth and da, da, da. But I think the thing that really, um, when it comes to trump and stuff is like dude, it seems like all of the eggs are in one basket with him, you know. And if that is the case, let's just say it is red and blue, black and white. There's no weirdness going on as far as uh being a staged or uh inside job. Let's just say everything is legit. People tried to take him out. If he is the one dude, people tried to take him out. If he is the one dude and they took him out, we're, you know, because who else is going to come in and actually do stuff to like push for the country? I don't see anybody that's doing I mean the immigration, you guys, you're, are you in Chicago?

Trez Mala: 1:38:29

yeah right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:38:30

Are you seeing the effects of the immigrants coming in? Because I live in Vegas and let me tell you, dude, the amount of Mexican people that you don't normally see, you see everywhere and you know, from the taco stands to the food trucks, to the selling the stuff Like it's everywhere now, when it used to not be here but since Biden's been. Stuff like it's everywhere now, when it used to not be here but over since biden's been in. It's gone through the roof and they're not legal. They're the, the like, uh, the, the businesses that they're running and stuff. They're just setting up stands literally in front of other restaurants. Cvs, walgreens are like bam, they're doing their thing. They only do it at night when the. You know what I mean, but they got all this stuff going. This was never here before. You know that's because there's an influx of people trying to just do whatever the fuck. What I'm getting at is like that wasn't the thing, that didn't, that wasn't happening with Trump. You know what I mean as far as immigration and stuff. It was the low, it truly was the lowest in our country's history. It's the exact opposite now.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:39:35

So, again, if all the eggs are in one basket and it's got to. You know, if there's going to be any change, man, it really got to. It has to happen on the local level. You know, I tell everybody oh, this is all good, but you guys keep voting in the same school superintendent. You know, you guys keep voting in the same uh, assemblyman and all these people who actually have more to do with your lives.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:39:55

You know, there was this asshole here in vegas. It was like oh, you gotta wear your mask, gotta do a shot, you can't go out social distancing. And then, like, a day later, he's doing a bar crawl with people all drunk, hugging and making out with dudes or whatever, like you know, not making out, but you know they're kissing cheeks and shit. And it was like oh okay, you can see the work here. Do as I say, not as I do, type deal. And this dude this has been a local politician, gone unchecked forever. You know what I mean. It was like dude, get him out. Obviously this guy is being told to do something, and it's not for the people. I don't know, though.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:40:34

You know, as far as the, as far as, uh, you know the, the presidency and all that stuff, dude, whoever's willing to go up against the system to like the true powers that be. I mean it. Fuck man, what's gonna happen? You know what's gonna happen if, like, a civil war breaks out. You know a lot of. I got all these. I got all these. Like you know what's going to happen if, like, a civil war breaks out. You know a lot of. I got all these. I got all these. Like you know, right-wing friends like, oh, dude, we got our guns. They're sissies and all stuff. And I was like bro, they are bringing in military-aged men from China, africa, latin America, from Muslim countries. They're just funneling in dude countries. They're just funneling in dude every day. You know you, you're thinking it's some purple haired lefty who you know who's all about. You know down with the patriarchy, and you know what I mean. Like no dude, you're gonna. I mean, look what's going on in britain right now.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:41:26

Well, these dudes are getting stabbed, hacked in with machetes and shit. Dude, dude.

Trez Mala: 1:41:32

It's just the perfect storm for the elites, because then they can get people divided over an issue, they can bring in people from cultures that are going to cause chaos to the culture that they're entering and then, at the same time, if they do give all these handouts and they claim everyone is being racist, so you can almost oppress the people who are just trying to push back against protecting their way of life in a way, so that you're causing this, uh, division, you're causing duress, and then the people who are coming in and getting handouts will much more easily than obey the order.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:42:05

Yeah, exactly support the system.

Trez Mala: 1:42:06

Yeah, because they're, they're getting handouts, they're getting, you know, accommodations. So they're like all right, we gave you a house, we gave you all this. We're, you know, looking out for you, protecting you from the racist like uh natives. Now just follow our new uh uh rules that we're going to implement.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:42:20

So we've been having the democrats push to have illegals to be able to vote in our elections yep, and then they'll be able to give them military service or something for the right to vote.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:42:31

Where do you think this is? It's not a civil war, it's a takeover. But if that happens, they get these guys in. Who do you think Our military is to? Not? You know, they're not to turn on the American people. Right, they're supposed to protect the American people. They're supposed to actually go against orders of orders of, of those type things. How many would? Who knows? I mean there's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:42:56

I think they asked the military one time would they, would they turn on the american people? And like it was like a resounding like you know, 93 percent said uh, you know 100? No, not at all, they never. Then there was like a like a three percent. They said yeah, and then there was like another whatever the percentage was of it, said I don't know. So you just have to lump those two together, saying this amount of people will fucking turn on their own country, their own people, you know. And, um, now you get all these people in, these military people, like you said, just coming in now they just want all the benefits and shit, fuck, yeah, they'll mow us down because we're threatening their, their little mule plate. You know, when they're coming in, there's part of it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:43:42

But then look at this, though again, democrats been screaming and saying that the, that the russians and you know they manipulated the election and that's how trump got in, it's all russian collusion and all the shit in the same motherfucking breath. They want to say, oh, illegals should be able to vote in our elections. So if that's the case, then you're saying that it's okay for these russians to come in and vote legally in our elections because they're illegal or you know, they can come in over. So that doesn't make sense. It's like, oh, we just had these guys just commit this fraud, but then it's okay if they come over and vote anyways, you know, but then if you look at it, if they were to give them the ability to vote, I think they said all they need is like, with the voting population stuff, all they need is, when it comes to the Democrats, 50 million of them in there to be able to vote. Republicans would never win, or no other party would ever win a race ever again, because they would be able to stack the tables.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:44:50

And that's what they're trying to do. You know, I mean it's right in front of our eyes. You know, I mean it's right in front of our eyes. I mean it's happening in front of us. And again they come at you and they say oh, you're racist, you're xenophobic, you're this, that and the other thing for opposing us or even point it out. And it's like no, dude, this is how places get overthrown and taken over. And you're like when people look at, oh, how did that happen? Well, here, taken over. And you're like when people look at, oh, how did that happen? Well, here's how it's happening. It's just like everybody.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:45:18

Oh how, if I, if I was around, I wouldn't let anybody kill it. Kill a jew, you know I'd kill hitler, right. And then at the same time, like put on your fucking mask, take a shot. You're killing grandma. You know what I mean. It was like that, that's how they did it. You're killing grandma. You know what I mean was like that, that's how they did it. They got you all fucked. You're not even thinking for yourself, you know. Now we have people. They're just churning them out of college. Fucking brains are cooked. It's terrible. You know what I mean cooked, cooked. I mean they don't even know, they don't even know male from female. You know, I mean they're arguing about that, dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:45:54

And then they come and say they're like did they say did they say black people are too dumb to get an id so they can go and vote? They don't have a computer, they don't know what the internet is.

Trez Mala: 1:46:03

They say this shit that they're extremely racist yeah dude, they're.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:46:10

They're, mr magoo, to their own racism. You know if you have to try to not be racist. You're racist you know what I mean like, that's just the way it is you know, and I I'm not.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:46:20

You know I'm not saying anything, but let me tell you, one of the most fucking disgusting things to see in this world is just, to some, I, to me personally I cannot stand people with white guilt. I can't stand it. It's so. It is so gross because one, you know, first off, I guarantee none of them ever had their families ever owned slaves. I mean, that was such a minute portion of the pop just to to take something like that and to just to denigrate yourself and just to put yourself, oh, you know, and to think that it's a, it's a way to be virtuous. You know, I mean it truly and it goes. It goes with every race. But to give it a name, the white guilt thing is just, it's the most cringe thing to watch, dude.

Trez Mala: 1:47:15

I mean, it's cuckold porn you know what I mean, it's straight cut for dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:47:21

It's brutal, so not my deal this has been a blast, bro.

Trez Mala: 1:47:27

I said that's funny as oh yeah, dude, I I.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:47:31

I appreciate you guys having me on them. Let me ramble.

Trez Mala: 1:47:35

We'd love to have you back on too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:47:37

Yeah, see, we do good with no plan. We just shoot from the hip. Sometimes it works out.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:47:41

Right on, dude, you know if you're comfortable with it. You know, next time I'll load up some charts on the oh, we could get more specific next time, but this was great, yeah, definitely. I'll, but this was great. Yeah, definitely I'll break up the flat earth map let's go.

Trez Mala: 1:47:54

Are you a flat earther?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:47:55

closing question uh, I'm gonna say yeah. I'm gonna say yeah, uh, I tried to debunk it and I keep coming up with uh, everything all comes from the same source when it comes to the globe earth. But you look everywhere else, there's stuff from all over that says the other so, um, you know one thing I, I flat earth, and all that stuff where I'm really uh, I really have concern or uh curiosity with, is uh antarctica. I think, uh, I think there's, I think there's something down there that uh is life-changing yeah, no doubt.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:48:30

Do you think antarctica is an ice wall, or do you think it's in the center?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:48:34

I think it's an ice wall, I think we're in a lake, I think we're in a like I think we're in a well, I don't want to say I think we're in a lake, but it makes sense when you look at it. And when you look at like that map that shows you all the different lands, all the different things, and what's funny too is when you look at all that there's a Mars, there's a Jupiter, there's a, all this different stuff that's supposedly outside of hyperborea, or whatever we're at this type thing, I don't doubt it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:49:01

You know there was a time when there's people who were actually able to explore. We can't go down there. No, and you know, you know, sure, as it isn't for our safety right right, I can go buy a pack of cigarettes right now you know what I mean.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:49:17

They're like oh no, it's not safe for you. Oh really, you're carrying, concerned about my safety. Okay, what a joke. But man, but I, I, you know, there's, there's so much, uh, you know, I, I like the hollow earth.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:49:31

Uh, the flat earth tends to make more sense to me when you look at it. I mean, just look at flights, you look at flight patterns, you look at, you know, it goes flatter from that. But when you look at it, like all the way they have the, all the fiber optic cables for our internet connection and stuff like that, they tell us it's from satellites and shit, but it's all cables that run under the, under the ocean and then on a globe you'd have to have these long ones going all over. But on a flat earth map they're right there, you know. So I don't know, I've I've had people uh, disown me for just questioning it when I was right, you know, questioning it, you know. Now I'm just like, well, if that's the way you act about it, then I, if that's your, if that's your reaction, your gut reaction, instead of being curious, then makes me think that I'm doing the right thing.

Trez Mala: 1:50:23

You know, definitely we could go flat earth deep that we've yet to do one on this channel, uh, in depth. So something we could definitely do in the future oh, I I'm.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:50:33

I'm still a novice, you know, I'm not on that eddie bravo level.

Trez Mala: 1:50:37

But we would love to get him yeah, yeah, that's the that dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:50:42

That dude knows a lot. You know. What's crazy too is it blows my mind, man, on how much these guys like him and sam and just other dudes, how much the information that they know and they process and they're able to absorb and where they get it and stuff and at the same time, you know, still do run their lives, run their businesses create. I mean, man, I got a family of three and I'm I'm doing my thing and I I try to put every ounce into creativity and learning and shit Scroll yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:51:20

It gets harder when you get older too, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:51:22

Yeah, man, I mean shit. You got to learn so much. I'm surprised I got this rig up and going for this. No, now it's all plug and play. But, guys, I just want to say thank you. This was great, you know. I hope to be on again soon, absolutely.

Trez Mala: 1:51:41

Have a blast. Thank you for coming, bro.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:51:43

You bet I was going to say if I can get my handles, if any of you guys.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:51:47

Oh yeah, when can everybody find you?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:51:49

At Trez Mala on Instagram and I'm under Trevor Trez Mala on Instagram and I'm under trezmala on Facebook. Or you can find me on thinkstopper one word thinkstopper on Facebook as well. But yeah, those are just my handles, right there you know, if anybody wants to find me, follow me.

Trez Mala: 1:52:11

I'm always talking shit definitely be sure to check that out and thanks again brother you bet, guys, I appreciate it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:52:20

And uh, keep up the good work too, man, because the more conversations that are out there, the more times people's brains start working.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:52:28

100 yeah, thanks, man, take it guys thank youz Mala.

Trez Mala: 1:52:34

That was fun, dude Epic episode. Shout out to Mike Davis for setting that one up. And again, yeah, sometimes we just riff on an episode and it's one of our best ones.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:52:44

Yeah, sam Tripoli, friend too.

Trez Mala: 1:52:47

So should have mentioned to try and have him negotiate for us, since we're getting blue bald Something.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:52:54

when he said you guys know Sam Tripoli, Sam's the hot girl of the conspiracy community.

Trez Mala: 1:52:59

So we gotta keep trying, I guess.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:53:02

Yeah, it's like him and Eddie are the prom king and queen. There are two prom kings.

Trez Mala: 1:53:08

I would love to get Eddie.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:53:10

That would be like a fucking three and a half hour episode. That'd be fun. We could talk about everything, all of our favorite shit. So some of the things that came up that I wanted to talk about was something I've been thinking about a while, for a while now, and you said it and it kind of triggered the thought again. But I wanted to wait until it was just our post here, our post like we're doing now again. But I wanted to wait until it was just our post here, our post, like we're doing now.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:53:37

When you mentioned you googled, um, cabbage, or you googled to see what plant was closest to human and it happened to be cabbage, got me thinking, like when people say, oh, I googled it, it's so we just assume that's the truth, right, but who's controlling google? Like those people that's putting that information out there, right? Um, and those companies are generally companies that don't align with our beliefs. So it's like true. So it just got me thinking to like why do we accept that? How come every I mean that's like an argument ender before, like it used to be like mythbusters was an argument ender you know, like when you were talking oh, I saw the mythbusters, bro it's like, okay, you can't argue it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:54:13

It's like the same thing with Google. Now, you know, it's like, dude, I Googled it, google it. And then you'll be like, oh yeah, he's right.

Trez Mala: 1:54:18

It says it right here, and that could all be compromised as well, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:54:35

Just got me thinking. That's like that's what they want us to think. They want us to think that we have all this information at the tip of our fingers. But what if it's not real information? Yeah, you know, like then it's useless, then we're just getting dumbed down. I mean, yeah, very well could be, but who knows, that's just a thought I had.

Trez Mala: 1:54:54

I have a lot of thoughts. No, I wouldn't say that's a dumb one, but yeah it's fun.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:54:59

I like that uh. He's a comedian and he's into it. You know, that's uh. Like I said, that's something I've always had a fond spot for in my heart. He seems like a good dude too. I was gonna definitely. Next time we have him on, I'll ask him too, because me and my we go to Vegas every April, so I'll be like, hey, bro, I'll be out there in April, we should go grab a drink or something. You know That'd be sick.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:55:19

Yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:55:20

Yeah he seems like he'd be a fun guy to hang out with and, just fucking you know, go all crazy with some shit, oh yeah. You know? Yeah, no doubt Go see a set you say well, in vegas there's plenty of sets? Yeah, there is, yeah, a lot of sets. Most of them are fake, but yeah, not my thing. Yeah, yeah, they don't feel the same definitely don't feel the same whoa what else dude flat earth cover? I mean he hit a lot of things, he lit a lot of shit bro, he's a dude the witch story.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:55:51

Okay, that was crazy. I think we saw the same witch. Like, like, the way he explained her, dude, I was gonna say too, before he said with the fingers, I was gonna say, did she have like long like gnarled fingers? And when he said, yeah, they're like long like wood. And I was like, oh, my god, dude, like what, if, what if we, what if there's like one witch that, like, like that fucks with people like you saw the same witch, bro.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:56:15

I'm telling you from the way that dude, she had a nose like mine, bro, like big old hook nose, bro, you know, big old, like a jew nose. I'm not jewish, but you know it's your scottish. Yeah, I have one percent or two percent levant, so it's uh, it's my levant, and uh, which is like syria now modern day syria, and uh, in scotland, yeah, and my teeth, I blame on my, my english, because my teeth are awful and meth and my heroin use. That didn't help. But and that's another thing too I wanted to bring up, but, um, I didn't get it, I didn't get an opportunity to, but I'll bring it up. Here is when he said, you know, when he was uh two and he drowned, yeah, and he felt like a kind of layer was removed, a layer was removed from his top and I'm thinking it's like okay, because my evolution in terms of my thinking, like my whole thought process, and especially with the alternative thinking right, has evolved through my whole life, especially my adulthood. You know 44 in two weeks, so it's changed a lot.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:57:24

However, I wonder like if every time my five overdoses, I wonder if every time Open later remote Right, because it seems like as I've gotten older my mind has opened more Like know what I mean.

Trez Mala: 1:57:39

So I don't know if that's just well, I guess shane was talking about, uh at his insider times. Like they train kids from a young age and like sometimes kids that are, like you know, ritually traumatized and shit like that, they make the perfect ones because something in their wiring got, you know, messed up to where they could perceive these types of things that most people normally don't who said that shane sidor, we need to have fucking shane back on yeah, for real for sure the illuminati insider, bro.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:58:10

Uh-huh yeah, those are some fucking. That was a wild talk, uh yeah, I'll message him. Yeah, that'd be a fun one I mean, they're all fun they're all fun fuck yeah yeah, what else dude trump?

Trez Mala: 1:58:24

as always, a polarizing figure yeah, so he?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:58:27

obviously he is on board with trump being the guy that's gonna save the country 100. He is, I mean, that's what it seemed like.

Trez Mala: 1:58:36

It seems like he's a little bit where I am and a little bit buying into the Trump.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:58:41

Seems like he's like 90% Trump's the guy and maybe 10%. It could be bullshit.

Trez Mala: 1:58:46

All I know is he's going to be a polarizing and prevalent figure, for good or for bad, and I'm just tending to think he's just playing his role.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:58:56

I really think Kennedy is the is the move. I think I and I don't think he's going to get elected. However, that's who I'm voting for, and this is the first time I've ever voted too. I really when he brought up civil war. I really think that's our only chance. I really I really believe that because, as we record this today, kamala picked her VP and he just so happens to be a socialist, the governor of Minnesota, who watched his city fucking burn. He also was pro sterilization and mutilation of children. Their ticket, the Democratic ticket, is the furthest left ticket ever Like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:59:34

I'm terrified that, if they do win, which I think they're going to now- I do, I think, propping up trump to win you know, I'd rather see that, but the as I'm watching this play out six months ago her own party was afraid they were, they didn't want her talking. They knew how terrible she was. She was not anything, she was terrible. And now the way that they flipped on her and they're pushing her to be the savior and everybody's jumped on board dude and I don't know man, it just it really scares me because they're like rallying around her big time, dude, and uh, I just I really feel like if they get into office, I don't think we're to have a country in four years. You know, they're both so pro-open borders. I mean it's just, yeah, it's scary, dude, scary.

Trez Mala: 2:00:26

And we'll see what the script writers got in store. The script writers.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:00:30

Nice, yeah, there definitely is a script writer, several script writers. Do you think it's like it is in the movies where like someone brings a script and like the whoever the fuck the director reads it and there's like no dude, you got to change this part? Like, change that part, keep. This is good.

Trez Mala: 2:00:44

I like this, but like it might be some of that, but I think they're taking commands from like some ancient ai entity or some shit dude, wouldn't that be something if there is like an ancient ai entity?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:00:55

I swear I mean it's inevitable that we live in a simulation right someone created it already probably uh, elon musk explained it and he explained it pretty well, because I always thought the simulation theory was like retarded. But the way he explained it was basically what people do is people make things better. We create, we innovate, right so, and we do it at a pretty decent rate. But let's just say we only, let's say humanity only created and innovated at a 0.01%, so a fraction of 1%, okay, which we do it much quicker, but we're just doing that for argument's sake. Now, given the scope of time the earth's been around for 4.5 billion years. People like us have been around for maybe 250 000 I'm being generous. Now, given that scope, it's inevitable that we're going to get to a point where reality is indistinguishable from a simulation so the chances are that that's already happened a happened 100, yeah which is just crazy to think about.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:01:56

You know what I mean crazy. But the more I think about it, the more I'm like it kind of does make sense, because things are just too perfect, like there's just some things, dude, that are way too perfect. And I don't know about you, but ever since I was a little kid, I always felt like I was okay. I'm going to say the word because I can't think of a better word, but I don't want it to come off like I have this ego or anything, because it's the farthest thing from it. But I always felt like I was special. And what I mean is I always felt like I was destined to I don't know, I don't know what, but I always felt like I was. I don't know, I don't know what, but I always felt like I was. I don't know, and I can now, as I'm older, I kind of feel like, oh, that's just maybe part of the programming from the simulation like I don't know I could say I feel the same isn't that, see, isn't that weird, but not everybody feels like that, though not everybody has that main

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:02:49

character syndrome, dude. Well, I'm a leo, so fucking it's natural for me, you know. But yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, totally when. Okay, here's another thing, dude when I was young, I felt like everybody that was in my life, like friends that would come from school and stuff. I felt like they didn't really exist. Only when they were around me I felt felt like when they went away, their life just was on pause and it didn't exist until I was around them. And then these people are basically just put here as NPCs for me. I felt like that when I was young. Isn't that weird?

Trez Mala: 2:03:26

That's a popular trope in sci-fi or woo-woo consciousness type of things Could be possible, yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:03:33

Yeah, dude, I'm talking about early 90s. I felt sci-fi or woo-woo consciousness type of things could be possible. Yeah, yeah, I read, dude, I'm talking about like. I'm talking about like early 90s. I felt like that. It's fucking weird dude. I don't feel like that anymore, but I did when I was younger. You always keep your fucking sides your your uh mohawk fucking clean, dude. Like what do you shave it every day or every other day?

Trez Mala: 2:03:52

no, I just try to get it like every week or something.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:03:54

You don't do it yourself.

Trez Mala: 2:03:56

I do it mostly myself and I'll have my dad or my roommate or someone.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:03:59

Get the little edges that I'm too afraid to like, clip it all off you know, right, right, I have my wife do too, because I do the side and the back also, and I'll have her like, I'll try to do my back the best I can, but you know You'll miss a couple spots here and there. So yeah, I'll have her kind of clean it up and shit for me. Dude, I've been cutting my own hair since seventh grade, dude, with a fucking buzzer. Same, pretty much. I mean, I'll still go to the barber occasionally. I haven't for like five months because I've been unemployed and why, you know.

Trez Mala: 2:04:26

But yeah, Beard's looking good it is actually it's growing in pretty decent.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:04:32

I got a lot of gray I just shaved, so you can see like I can't.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:04:35

But yeah it is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:04:36

I got a lot of gray in the motherfucker, but it's to be expected Mold. So it's to be expected.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:04:42

Yeah, you know like I don't want to. I have the interview tomorrow right? So it's like I shaved yesterday, because if I shaved like too soon I'll fucking break out. You know what I mean? Like a little ration, shit. I'm hoping it goes well, dude, but hopefully this time tomorrow I should hopefully know something, because 4 15 is the interview. I think it'll go well, though it's my second one and they asked for references. I gave them to them. It'll be tough, dude, because monday and tuesday I'll be working 6 pm to 6 am it's kind of gay, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:05:12

For now I kind of I like that though, because what I'm gonna be doing, dude, that's gonna be like the best time to do it. Like people are gonna be calling in like I want to kill myself. It's like all right, bro, put the no, I'm just kidding, but, um, yeah, well, so monday, tuesday, 6 pm to6 am, then I'm off every wednesday, every thursday, every other Friday but the Friday shift isn't 12 hours, it's only eight hours and then Saturday. So I'm off every Sunday, every Wednesday, every Thursday and every other Friday. I work three days a week, right, and the night differential.

Trez Mala: 2:05:50

This is going to be a good job for you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:05:51

Dude, it'd be perfect because after a year I'll be certified I. It's going to be a good job for you. Dude, it'd be perfect because after a year I'll be certified. I could take it anywhere else, you know. Yeah, you got this, I think, so I think it'll do well, as long as I don't fucking go into that interview and fucking just drop a bomb, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:06:05

It's nice, because at a job like that, I've already told them yeah, I was a heroin addict for 15 years, but that's like an asset in this kind of a job, this job, yeah, so it's like, and that's what's nice, I don't have to because I'm too old bro, like I can't, I can't be something. I'm not like I can't, I just I never could. But now it's like to the point where it's repulsive. You know what I mean.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:06:26

Like dude, you know, like the heart tattoo fucking yeah it's just that portillo's with me, my wife and my kids. Girl's like, oh, that's cool, like they're at the counter. She's like, oh, that's cool. What are the hearts? Why only four? And I'm like I take a deep breath and I'm like, well, used to be right here. You know, I go through the whole thing and then people's reaction is just like dude, like why are you? Sharing this with me. The hat, by the way, to remember the names we didn't even talk about that. It was hype, bro.

Trez Mala: 2:06:54

Oh, he dominated he did exactly what he said he was gonna do kill him.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:06:58

He made it look so easy, kind of surreal still, and then, okay, so real quick before you go. So you saw dana white post fight. Yeah, yeah, was all like shitting on below right.

Trez Mala: 2:07:08

And now he's like oh, that was the most viewed belt rap ever, right 22 million views most.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:07:12

Yeah, I'm like there's the flip and that's all he needed to see was that he could draw. You know how? Many muslims in the world shit ton right and you know it doesn't make sense to me. What is the difference between belal style and gsp?

Trez Mala: 2:07:27

not a whole lot I mean gsp would move around and throw some karate superman punches.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:07:31

He had a better he had a better jab, arguably maybe not maybe not anymore. Jab was looking good I was saying maybe not even anymore, you know, but yeah, he, okay, threw some head kicks, other than that their game was the same. Dude, I'm gonna I'm gonna beat you at my wrestling and I'm gonna beat you up you know, yeah, people hated, hated on george at the time and then over time they respected him.

Trez Mala: 2:07:51

So well, I will get his. He put his name in the history book, so that's legendary when randy couture did it, it was dominance.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:07:58

You know what I mean? Come on, I just I don't like that don't play favorites it's really what it is. But you know what? I think he's gonna go on a. I think he's gonna go uh, and there's a lot of tough guys like made off, there's a lot of tough guys. I think he's gonna go on like a five, six title tough guys. I think he's going to go on like a 5-6 title defense streak. Dude. I think he's going to really cement himself, dude which is awesome.

Trez Mala: 2:08:18

I think so and I hope so.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:08:19

Yeah, All right bro. Well, stay away from pedophiles guitar solo.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:08:54

Thank you, bye.