40 | Donna Cabral | Trauma, Healing, and Life Contracts | "You Signed A Contract Before You Were Born"

What if our understanding of reality is just a fraction of the truth? This episode takes you through alternative thinking and spiritual awakening with our intriguing guest, Donna Cabral. Discover how her spiritual awakening at 25 led her to question everything she once believed, ultimately transforming her perspective on life. From exploring the ethereal world to uncovering generational trauma and the transformative power of Reiki, this conversation promises a deep dive into the metaphysical.

Ever wondered how to raise your frequency to overcome negative thoughts and emotions? The episode sheds light on the practical aspects of self-reflection, the importance of chakra and aura cleansing, and the profound healing power of Reiki. Donna shares personal practices, including meditation with shamanic drumming, and discusses how ancestral connections and quantum leaps can shift our consciousness and reality. We also touch on the teachings of Bashar and how our beliefs shape alternate dimensions, leading to fascinating discussions on the Mandela effect and near-death experiences.

From the creativity sparked by art shows to the chilling encounters with ghosts and paranormal activities, Donna Cabral brings a wealth of personal stories and insights. Engage in conversations about ancient civilizations, the influence of extraterrestrial beings, and the therapeutic value of connecting with nature. The episode culminates in a reflection on soul contracts, alien abductions, and the importance of maintaining a positive reality amidst external chaos. Tune in for an enlightening experience filled with thought-provoking insights and personal revelations that challenge the boundaries of conventional thinking.

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Chapters

• 1:24 Our Guest Donna Cabral
• 2:07 Awakening and Healing Journeys
• 12:27 Raising Vibrations and Reiki Healing
• 18:46 Uncovering Ancestral Roots and Quantum Leaping
• 27:06 Exploring Art, Creativity, and Entities
• 30:46 Soul Contracts and Alien Abduction
• 34:52 Alien Abductions and Paranormal Experiences
• 41:57 Exploring the Paranormal Through Experiences
• 46:01 Resurrection Mary and Cemetery Stories
• 52:22 Ghosts, Time Travel, and Technology Journey
• 1:01:54 Questioning Neurodiversity and Ancient Civilizations
• 1:13:28 Navigating Reality and Soul Healing
• 1:23:57 Exploring Simulation and Emotional Vulnerability
• 1:31:51 Guest Suggestions and Personal Perspectives
• 1:37:08 Connecting With Listeners and Being Guest-Ready

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible. We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

Donna Cabral: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:30

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show. It's obvious. The aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge. We're just one planet.

Donna Cabral: 0:38

They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:44

This is real. They really did fake the moon.

Donna Cabral: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The bulldog ball I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party, at a point in uh in the united states.

Donna Cabral: 1:16

The global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24

We have the distinct, honored first female guest we ever had and a high school classmate of mine who I, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think we ever even said a word to each other in high school.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:35

We have definitely not said a word to each other in high school at all, and we're now 31 years old, but I see a lot of cool content from you online and, like we were just saying, you do a good job getting the thoughts across and stuff and I figured it'd make for a fun conversation. I'm a fan of what they might label schizopos in all forms, so we're gonna get into some wild stuff today. So someone who isn't familiar with you, or what you're into or your page, how would you sum it up?

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:07

so how would I sum up my gauge? Let's see um.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:11

I talk about artists, yes talk about lots of uh alternative thinking points that we right, so in 2019.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:19

I feel like I went through my spiritual awakening to where, like, I felt like I personally woke up and realized that, oh shit, like the way I've been taught to live, or think I don't have to do that anymore, you know, and so the more I opened myself up to that realm, the more information kind of just came to me, and so once I got to a point in my own healing journey that I felt like I could use my voice to help anyone else that felt like they were going through a shit time in their life or even hitting their rock bottom and how to rebuild yourself up from that, especially if you've been through trauma and shit that's been passed on from our parents, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:09

So a lot of people don't realize that that isn't ours to carry and we can let it go, because I've carried it for almost. I think I was 25 when I was like this whole new world like came to me and I was like holy shit, like I felt like that moment where you're like, oh wow, this is, this is what I've been waiting for. This is something that like that being of light, like when it went within me, clicked on and it just started spiraling. More information, more information, more. I just always wanted to learn more and more and more about it, because it helped me so much. For sure, yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:52

What would you say is the moment that triggered it? Sorry not to interrupt you, but I was wondering, as you're talking, what was the one thing that was like the, the turning point that you said so-called wake up like oh shit, everything is a lie.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:09

So okay point that you said so-called wake up, like, oh shit, everything is a lie, so okay. So back in 2019, I would say it was like 25 years old. I remember I was like I'm a new mom and I was seeing patterns being repeated, right, that like my parents were doing, and I'm like, oh fuck, I don't want to do that. And I remember one day I was just like god like I, if you're real because I didn't want to do that. And I remember one day I was just like God like I, if you're real cause I didn't believe in God, I never went to church, I never like I didn't know, you know. So I'm like God, if you're real, help me, please help me, because I can't keep living like this, cause I was living with anxiety, I was losing, I was living with trauma and if you were like mentally, emotionally abused as a child, that shit stays inside you if you're not learning how to let it go. So I just grew up unworthy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:56

So I started posting things online about crystals, because I randomly saw someone post something about crystals and so I spiraled into that and my aunt took me to. She reached out to me. My aunt was like I have this woman. She's a Reiki practitioner. You should go see her. And I was like, okay, I didn't know what I was going to walk into. Honestly, I thought maybe something close to like a priest or a Pope type thing. And then I came in and this was like this bad-ass lady that was like swearing up the storms tattoos all over her and I'm like, oh my God, she's everything I want to be in life. And so, since that, meeting her and hearing her story about how her childhood was and how who she became, I was like, okay, then I could do that too. So, meeting her honestly, she was like my guru. I would say that taught me everything that I know, and if it wasn't for her, I probably wouldn't be me today.

Donna Cabral: 5:55

May I ask you a question and you don't, by all means you don't have to answer it if you don't want to, but, coming from my background, a couple of things that you said just are glaring, like glaringly stuck out to me. One of them was spiritual awakening and the other one was rock bottom. I'm just curious do you come from an addiction or alcohol background?

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:16

Looking back, I would definitely say I was an alcoholic. But at the time if you told me if I was alcoholic, I would say no, you know. But I was drinking regularly and I was a stay at home mom, so that doesn't mix well. Also, my rock bottom was I was a very angry kid, very angry. But the way I was raised I knew something wasn't right with the way my parents were raising me, you know you have that in you, you, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:44

So I was always angry about that and I became an angry adult. So I always sat with so much anger and then I saw that being brought out to my son honestly, and then I was like no, I'm not doing that anymore, I'm not doing that. That was my rock bottom for me, and I actually recorded it. I recorded myself reacting in a way that I wasn't proud of to my son because he's just being a kid. You know, you're yelling at a kid for being a kid and you don't realize you're doing that because they were yelling at us as kids, you know. So you're kind of just repeating that pattern. I looked at that video. I'm like holy shit, like no, I want him to be someone. I want to be someone he's proud to say that's my mom, you know, and if it wasn't for him, too, he changed my life completely. He's the one that I wanted to find, something, you know, and I had no idea it was gonna be this. I just knew I was like feeling unworthy, feeling like garbage. Something has to change here.

Donna Cabral: 7:48

That's awesome. Thank you for sharing.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:51

And it's really not easy. It's a hard thing to do because you have to go within and you have to cry that shit out and you have to journal that shit out and you have to really reparent yourself from the inside out, or else it's just going to stay within you.

Donna Cabral: 8:06

Have you worked the steps, the 12 steps of AA? Because it sounds like that sounds just like a moral inventory that you would take. I don't know if you're familiar with the AA steps, the 12 steps.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:15

I'm not, but I could just see that it all pretty much correlates together. Yeah, rather, which way you go down in a healing way, like it all kinds of, is the same just different. You know how you explain it.

Donna Cabral: 8:29

For sure. Yeah, you have to do that internal reflection, no matter which way you go to to grow, overcome it, for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:35

A lot of people in you could say our community or line of thinking or alternative thinking have definitely been through some shit or go through some shit in their own head and that's what makes them. You know, wake up if you will start thinking all these different things and, yeah, it manifests in many different ways, but sometimes I was thinking with both of you like that I can't relate to and I feel like I'm stressed and, you know, spazzing out myself. But I don't even have kids to worry about, both your parents, and so now you got to worry about another person and your own shit.

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:05

So, man, yeah, it's not easy being a parent, but it's definitely rewarding, for sure oh yeah, I'm jealous.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:13

I got hit with the urge to want to be a dad, like as soon as I hit 30 kind of, and I'm not one right now, but one day, but uh yeah how do you two feel about?

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:24

raising kids right now and the world that's unfolding so for me, honestly, the way I see reality is that if I give it attention, it amplifies, right. So in my reality, if it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. And and you know, if I say this to my dad, my dad will be like oh, watch, you know, don't walk down the street, watch your surroundings. And I'm like I'm good, I'm safe, I'm protected. I got angels, I got answers, I got my spirit guides around me, like I am totally safe. But my dad's like, okay, whatever, just make sure you watch your surroundings. But I don't, I don't have that, that belief that is gonna bother me in a negative way if that makes sense and I know that's crazy, because people are like, well, what about this and that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:11

And then I'm like I don't give a fuck about it, I don't pay attention to it. If it affects me in a way, okay, I'll deal with it in a peaceful way and I'll go about that and I'll deal with it, but I'm not going to let it ruin my life and carry negative energy towards it, because that's what it is right. It's just an illusion, it's a negative energy shit. That I don't. I'm dealing with my own shit. I don't want to deal with the outside world for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:36

I will have to say, though, as a martial arts instructor heed your father's warning. It's good to be aware, it's good to be positive vibes too, but uh, be aware. And uh, if I'm not mistaken, I see you painting some dragon ball z stuff. So I know you got some warrior uh spirit in you if you watch that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:55

So I gotta ask you what's uh this.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:58

This is a telling question to anyone who's your favorite character in dragon ball z you know, don't put me on the spot like that. I don't know I'll give you a second, I'll ask mike, because I don't know if I've ever asked him. Bro, I can't name a character. I'm an old man. Watch it right, yeah I'm 40.

Donna Cabral: 11:13

I'm 44 next month bro, so I I honestly never watched it um. So I I don't know how about naratu. My kids watch that. I know, I know that one.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:24

My son watches that too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:26

So you can't pick. You're back on the spot now.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:29

I watch. Honestly, I'm going to be honest with you, I watch it when he's watching it and I'm not really paying attention to it. All right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:37

Well, there goes my hopeful Dragon Ball Z nerd out. But as we were talking about negative energies and positive energies and stuff, you were talking angels, ancestors. I subscribe to all that as well and I think it's very real. But do you think that I was discussing this a little bit today earlier with a friend? Negative thought patterns and depression and stuff like that Maybe not entirely but at least partially or, who knows, maybe entirely caused by like negative entities or that thought forms. Just like there's a virus that could affect a computer and make it malfunction and self-destruct. Just like there's parasites that get in your body and like make it shut down and kill you, like who's to say something can't infest your mind or your spirit or something and get in there and start making you think really bad things and suicidal thoughts.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:25

No, I totally believe you in that. I feel like there's different frequencies and if you raise your own vibration, you can get out of that, because I used to be in that. I used to have suicidal thoughts, I used to have really negative, dark thoughts and I just thought, okay, that's my faith, that's just what I'm dealing with, until I started to raise my own frequency and that went away and I'm like, holy, like you don't have to think that way for the rest of your life. If you don't want to, you just got to do the work. But a lot of people don't want to do the work programming yeah it's hard to deprogram?

Donna Cabral: 12:57

yeah, it is it is, but once you get to the other side, it is just bliss most people don't want to do the work because it's it's really fucking hard looking at the mirror and and being honest with yourself, you know it's a lot easier just to pretend it's everybody else's fault yeah, it's, it's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:15

It's not fun and we have a lot of distractions too, like alcohol is a distraction and it's highly promoted everywhere, and then we have just everything, even to video games, to shit that's going on out there, concerts everything is to distract you from going within. Essentially, I mean, yes, they're wonderful things that we can enjoy them, but you have to make time for yourself and really sit with yourself and journal if you need to, or cry. A lot of people don't like to cry and I was like, if crying is a release, you're releasing some type of shit in your body every time you cry. So if you're not crying, you should start.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:55

That's true that's the first. That's the first, and this is why we brought some feminine energy on the podcast, because we never were discussing our feelings around here. So what else can we speak on that? We have Emotions, you know, entities, vibes, if you will. Definitely an interesting topic. What do you got to say on those Like emotions, energy, body, spirit. Do you think we have like an aura around us and things can get into our auras? Oh, definitely.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:24

Like clean your auras?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:25

Oh, definitely Like cleaning your auras and stuff.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:27

Definitely I do clean my aura regularly and also we do have like our chakra system that I believe in, that we all have. You know they all correlate with different things and if you essentially go through heartbreak and you tighten yourself up, your heart chakra is more blocked, which affects you, which you don't realize it does, but it can in your reality and also can affect you with heart problems so that's one way.

"$awbuck" Mike: 14:54

If you have high blood pressure, low blood pressure it stems from your energy center and you could essentially heal that by healing your energy center. But same with trauma like that closes down your three lower chakras, which comes with trauma, anxiety, which is the root chakra. So if you are not healing that, if you have a lot of anxiety, if you start working on healing your chakras, your lower ones, you can release that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:21

You mentioned Reiki earlier. What is is that? That's because I've looked into it a little bit. One of my massage ladies is very like uh esoteric with her healing stuff and I've done some other stuff. She'll like needle me and do some cool stuff. I think she mentioned it before.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:36

So is that like the practice of healing, like your different bodies or whatever your your energetic body yeah, exactly that's what that is yeah, so basically, reiki is a japanese practice and, um, I wrote this down okay. So rei means universal and ki means a flow of life force, energy. So what, essentially what you're doing when you're doing a reiki session is that you are opening up your crown chakra to let in the divine golden, white light energy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:10

That's what I call it, other people call it different things, but it's essentially the same thing, and it will flow through your chakra centers out of your palms, which everyone has little chakra centers in their palms and the more you work with that energy like, the stronger it gets. So you can, you know, intentionally set it to heal someone else's pain or trauma or whatever. But in order to become like a Reiki practitioner, to practice on other people, you have to first learn how to do it on yourself and then you move up on the stages. So that's what my um guru.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:46

She taught me, that right so I used to go for that so are you practicing things at the moment like healing stuff?

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:56

on myself because I'm I'm not gonna lie, I work a 40 hour work week, so that's tough on. And raising a child, so that's tough on trying to squeeze in time for yourself. But I do do it on myself and I do do it on my son, so we do it together sometimes if he wants to, but usually I just do it for him.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:18

Do you like meditate or do any other practices like that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:23

So at the moment, I'm actually'm actually this is crazy and I haven't shared it with anyone, actually but I've really been called to listen to Sean McDrumming. So, lately, for at least 30 minutes a day, I will blindfold myself and listen to Sean McDrumming and meditate.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:46

Brutal.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:48

So I do that daily for at least 30 minutes I give myself. If it goes longer, it goes longer. But that's one thing that I make sure I do daily, just because something within me is just calling to do that. And if I'm not listening to that then it's like beating me up in the back of my head that I didn't do that today, or you know that I missed a day or two and I was, so I was like no, this needs to be something I do daily and I'm not sure where it's going to lead, but it's obviously it's going to definitely lead me somewhere. But I bet right now that is what I'm being called to do internally.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:23

Have you had any wild experiences or consciousness type of shifts and stuff during that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:30

No, I haven't, which is why I feel like I need to practice more. But I've had had consciousness shifts throughout the years, from who I am today to who I was.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:44

For sure, and something you mentioned that we will definitely get to. But I want to ask something else. First, you said quantum leaping is something you've been deep diving lately. But before that, ask that what is your ancestry?

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:55

mainly, what do you mean by that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:57

Do you know like? Are you like native American?

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:01

Oh, um, no, my family's from Peru. Okay, canon oh, um, no, my family's from peru, okay, so I know they for sure have some like tribal yeah no yeah on a picture right, yeah, and they were doing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:12

I think dmt comes from peru, so like they're the ones who kind of pioneered the whole shamanistic thing, so that's not a surprise right, and I'm definitely.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:22

I've never gone to per, but like that is something that calls me too, and I'm like man, I'm going to just go to Peru. Like one of the things that I want to do in life is go to Peru with a backpack, with no plan and just like God, guide me to wherever the fuck I need to go you got to.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:46

I had pretty much a similar type of journey when I went to ireland and it was epic. That's where most of my ancestry is and that was it still feels like some comic book. So yeah, I would highly recommend going on a homeland pilgrimage to anyone yeah, I'm glad you did that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:57

That sounds so fun. Yeah, I get that idea a lot actually in my head to go do that, but one day I will. I just think my son needs to be older and maybe take him with me for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:08

I mean, he's connected to it too. How is your uh quantum leap or consciousness shifts? Then let's get into that a little bit, because I would assume, if you're gonna be sitting there drumming, that maybe you slipped into a different timeline or saw some past ancestor shit and hopefully I. I mean, is that what you want? That'd be pretty sick, right yeah, absolutely that's the goal.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:29

Right is to feel connected and feel that shit. But no, lately I've been so lately. I listened to bashar and um, bashar is a entity that is channeled by daryl Anka and I probably listen to him every single morning when I get ready for work, honestly. So Bashar is this alternate dimensional being?

Donna Cabral: 20:54

Holy shit, I never heard of this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:57

That essentially is his planet is 500 light years away, right From the planet asasani, and he channels. Dare. Well, daryl channels tim and you know time and space, they say, don't, doesn't exist. So even though he is technically from the future, they can channel because time and space doesn't exist. So they're channeling whatever. But um bashar says that daryl is the human earth version of him, if that makes sense and what is the kind of shit that he says?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:36

what? What is the kind of stuff that he says?

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:39

so he'll go into trance and usually the stuff that I post about is what? Some of the similar things that he talks about how, um, you can, by rewiring your brain and changing your beliefs and letting go of it, doesn't matter what it is, it could be as simple as okay, this is not simple. But let's just say, trauma in your life, you can heal it. But he talks about jumping into another reality, to where you're already healed, and you can do that instantaneously if you choose to, by going within and connecting to that version of you on an alternate universal earth that already exists, that you are that version. That makes sense.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:27

And then he says that we on this planet shift through alternate dimensions and universes a billion times per second. So the person you were a second ago, you don't have to be that person. So he says that we, the reason why we don't see that shift, is because we're programmed like a computer to keep those memories going. And that is what essentially is keeping us stuck to one type of reality earth, dimensional earth, and which, which I believe that is why people have that Mandela effect, because they're shifting through different parallel reality earths. They're not even realizing it. So that little shift in like I don't know what people say, like a book title or something, is different.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:18

That is why because it's they're shifting through, everyone is shifting through different real, and I don't know how it comes together, though, but I do know everyone has their own reality it's, it's wild and stuff like you kind of described has been alluded to before, like when someone hit their head and like wake up and everything in their life's the same, but like their car is different or their wife has a different name, or like it's something small has changed, or you have a near death experience and then suddenly you wake up and it's like wait, no, that didn't happen.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:52

You know, something else is off. And I feel like I had it happen to me before with some like final destination shit twice while driving Like I should have got murked by like a falling off plane coming in my car, getting hit by a car coming on and somehow like Nope, I glitched out and it didn't happen. Or I just got really fucking lucky somehow. So I think that that's real.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:13

And that's what, like Bashar says too. Like you can say, like how you said you were almost in an accident, that version of you actually did play out, but you weren't ready to go. So you shifted your consciousness into another version of you actually did play out, but you weren't ready to go. So you shifted your consciousness into another version of you that was similar to the one that you were living, which is wild to even wrap your head around sometimes to think about that.

Donna Cabral: 24:35

We actually do that and what the hell do we live in then? Right, so, based on, first off, this is awesome, and so based off what you just said, I I was a heroin addict for a long time, for like 15 years. I've been clean for a decade now, over a decade. I overdosed five times. I was they were going to bet, like literally the one time I woke up and there was a body bag right there.

Donna Cabral: 24:57

And they're like the only reason why we worked so long on you is because you're so young. I was in a coma for five days one time, so when all of those five times perhaps like I expired but I just wasn't ready, that's fucking awesome and that could have played that reality played out.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:14

So he says that reality played out of you actually dying, but you were not ready. Your your mission on this planet. It was not yet, so you chose to keep going.

Donna Cabral: 25:26

That's so crazy and you know, people have told me that and I just never believed it. But I do now. I do now, I have recently, in the last few years, but I just I didn't want to believe that. But yeah, it's so weird, right, it's also fucking weird.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:40

It. So is. It so is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:45

The synchronistic timing of this episode is perfect, because you should have heard what mike was saying before you got on donna and we send him the the past couple things that he's like feeling compelled and he's like it's corny, but like I feel like I need to make my channel to help people heal from like drug addiction and stuff, and he's he's doing that now and his mission was not fulfilled, that's for sure. We're talking all types of healing and mike's going right towards it and I'm trying to urge him good, I love that and that's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:09

That's the only reason why I'm doing it too. I'm like I just want to make somebody else that feels like they're a piece of shit and worthless, that they are more than that. And you know, if someone would have told me that back then I would have been like get the fuck out of my face, like I do not want to hear this bullshit. But when you actually believe it and you actually like, it takes over you and you're like holy shit, like I can be anything I want to be, which is why I started to paint, because I've always had an inner calling to paint. But I told myself I was never good enough. I don't know how to do this, how I don't know how to do this, I can't paint. And then when I went down and I'm like baby steps, I bought my first little thing from Walgreens and some cheap-ass paint and I was like baby steps. And here I am fucking busting out perfect cartoon photos. I work hard on that shit Do you do any art shows?

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:06

I've done some in the past. Everyone always says do art shows, I have all my shit hung up here. I just honestly, this is I don't have the time, which I don't make the time. I should say that, Right, Because I on the weekends sometimes like I want to do whatever the hell I want to do, I don't want to do. You know, pack up my shit and go somewhere, which it's a lot of social stuff too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:30

Yeah, a lot of energy to stand around with your creations in front of a bunch of people, I'm sure but I would say it is shocking when I'm standing there and they think someone looking at my art is actually the person that did it. I'm like no, it's me, and that does it. I'm like no, it's me. And they're like what? I'm like yep, so that was fun, but I do make a couple hundred every time I do sell, so I should probably do that again.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:55

Pretty cool to profit off of your creative ventures, that's for sure you should connect her with Matt Slap dude. Yeah, for sure, our one friend who did the art for this show. He does shows all the time, so oh, he did the art.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:08

That's awesome I'm sure you got no shortage of other artists that you know, but he's always doing shit, so if you ever want to jump on shows and stuff, I could definitely hook you up with him. Yeah, he's, he's fun. We had him on the show. You might have even listened to him. I think I showed you one that he was on twice. He was on.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:25

Oh, then I probably have listened to it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:27

We were talking about art and creativity and imagination kind of being, like I don't know, a source that you can pull from Like are any ideas really unique in our own, or is it like an artist can just like tap into the collective thing and like bring it to life?

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:44

own or is it like an artist can just like tap into the collective thing and like bring it to life?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:47

yeah, I totally believe that an artist can tap into a collective flow or whatever that is out there and just do it, because sometimes I'll look at shit I've done and I'm like I don't even know how I did that for sure, and, uh, some people credit things like that to I don't know again entities like, they say, music has a certain vibe to it, like, if you're only listening to hateful metal and shit all the time, that you're going to attract negative entities.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:13

Or what I dislike, though, is how, like the elite, so-called the, the real, like occult hollywood weirdos they're so into art with their twisted weirdo shit, like they corrupt it in a way, but I was getting at it's like these low vibe entities are jealous of humans because we do have the ability to create and like demons or whatever else. They just want to I don't know tear us down and limit us and make us think that, uh, we are worthless or a piece of shit or whatever else. Like I totally think that this is, this is always my thought. Like if I'm watching fucking presidential elections or whatever else on tv, I'm like, oh, whatever demons run the world, it's like they live. You put on the sunglasses and everything you see is affected by demons and reptilians. 100, 100. So do you believe in aliens or do you think that they're demons?

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:03

you know I listened to that podcast that you guys posted. Yes, was it yesterday or today?

Donna Cabral: 30:08

Don't want to know, but, ari, part two came out today, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:12

Oh yeah, about um that aliens are demons.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:16

Did he say that or?

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:17

they're not real. I don't know where. He doesn't believe in aliens.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:21

I kind of don't at this point anymore. I was fucking obsessed with aliens for years. Really I don't know what I think now. I think they're probably some type of. Maybe they've been here all along. I don't know the giants. It seems like they were a flesh and blood thing to me.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:35

So I'm going to tell you my belief. You could believe it. You don't have to believe it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:45

But I'm going to share mine. Have you heard of the woman Dolores Cannon? Dolores Cannon, Definitely. I have Is she. She's an abductee.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:50

No, no, she's a hypnotherapist.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:53

Okay, okay.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:54

That that will take subjects and she started as a normal hypnotherapist like connecting to past lives and say somebody wanted to quit a bad habit and started in their past life or something. So she just connects them to heal whatever, like smoking cigarettes or something you know, like healing whatever. Then she kept doing it and doing it and her subject started to go under like she calls it, the subconscious mind, to where she was getting universal information about aliens, about the planet, about people, about humans, about, and she would say she channeled somebody from the US. Then she would go to England and channel someone and it would take off right where she was. So she has about 10 books on her stories of what you know, aliens that she's essentially connected or extraterrestrial beings, whatever that she's connecting to, and honestly it lines up with, like what other people say or I resonate with it, you know, on a deeper level. So basically, in some of her books she says that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 32:04

So I believe aliens exist and there are stories where people get abducted by aliens, right. So she'll have a subject come to her and say, hey, you know, I've been abducted by an alien. Can you hypnotize me to go back to that time so I can see what happened, because I don't know. I don't remember my body went into trauma and I don't have that memory, but I do remember being abducted or whatever. So she'll go back in that moment and she's like, yes, you were beamed up to a spaceship and the spaceship you signed a contract before you were born to be abducted at this time, at this moment, because you are helping that species do something, whatever it is. And so, yes, it's traumatizing on a human level, but on a spiritual, higher self level, you knew this was going to happen to you and the reason why you forgot it was because it's so traumatic that your human body can't process it right now, or some shit like that. So she kept you know, doing this and doing this to other people, and what she eventually got was like which has helped me in my healing journey and to let go of shit that's happened to me, that I signed up for this, that everyone gets a soul contract.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:14

Have you heard that? That everyone has a soul contract? You know it. You essentially watch your parents. Before you're born, you watch your parents for a few years. You sign Well, you don't really sign, however, it works up there right but you're like, you watch these two people you're like, yes, these are my parents and usually we incarnate into families that we've incarnated on other planets, so they say, or on different past times, you know, on this planet. So you sign this contract and you watch these people, you get born into their family and usually it's to break those generational curses, but you get so stuck in the game and you get so stuck on the wheel of karma that none of it gets no one's fulfilling their mission. So in her books they talk about that and how the reason why we're here is to change the world and break free of all the chains and shit, and how the world's been running for the past I don't know, like trillion years or whatever.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:24

I think that we all are kind of, you know, in something we gave permission to be here for, it's a yeah, like you said, you kind of signed up for it. I do believe that. I do believe we're in the time we're in for a reason, although I kind of wish I was back in a simpler time, to be honest.

Donna Cabral: 34:42

You're like the Bronze Age right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:45

That's where I would have done my best. I feel that's where I probably did my best.

Donna Cabral: 34:48

That's probably where I belong can I say something about what you were just saying? Donna reminds me there's a book I wonder if you've read it. It's, uh, called journey of souls and it's by a gentleman named michael newton and he is a psychiatrist and hypnotherapist and he didn't do past life regressions or anything like that what he would always have people asking him to do it, and he had a long-term client and eventually this client had this pain and this client thought that maybe if he was able to do a past life regression, he could figure out where this pain came from. So the hypnotherapist eventually decided okay, I'll do it.

Donna Cabral: 35:28

Well, what he found after doing the first one, he ended up doing hundreds of all different kinds of people and what he found is all these people described the same places when they went after death, the same rooms, the same soul groups. He explained, and it really like. It really connects everything and it's like it. It really shook me to my core, you know, and it's it's a crazy book and I think, I think you'd probably enjoy it if you haven't read it.

Donna Cabral: 35:56

It's called journey of souls I'm gonna write that down, because I have not read that yeah, it sounds very similar to to um the work that you were just describing, so I think you'd like it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:07

And to go back to the alien thing real quick, freaking the abductions. I don't know where I'm at with it, because they do happen. The abductions seem to happen Like there was giants on Earth, that's 100% so. Like there was some Anunnaki, like gene mingling or fallen angel mating. Like people talk with other races. There's reptilians they're spiritual entities, like but all I know is the government trying to get us to believe in aliens is what makes me be like nah dude, there's no fucking way now. Why would ancient aliens be on the history channel and pushed on us, unless they're gonna pull a fast one on us now and try to trick us?

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:39

well, yeah, I definitely do think there's a trick up their sleeves with it eventually. Right, because we're taught to fear them. But all the books I've read about aliens, they are just as brothers and sisters as we are as humans to us. That's how they see us, because if they wanted to kill us, they could have done that by now. They, their technology, they're so advanced. So they say in the books that they could have blown us all out already if they were here to harm us.

Donna Cabral: 37:08

Maybe they have on a different timeline and we just all jumped because we weren't ready.

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:12

That's true, that's true, that could happen, but do you hear, like there's in Sedona, that there are ships above, and do you ever see, like people I have people that I follow on Instagram that they'll post clouds and it'll be in a shape of a ship and they'll be like, oh, it's a cloaked ship.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:35

For sure I've been down all of it. I remember I would. I would see things that people would talk about like the Galactic Federation and apparently there was like nukes and stuff stopped before by UFOs. Like the UFOs came and like shut down like a nuclear plant or they were about to like launch a nuke or start a war or something and something happened. And they say Eisenhower met with aliens. They say the Nazis and like the real society was was talking with aliens. I'm sure you heard of Maria Orsic, right, the lady.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:57

I'm sure you've probably heard of it or seen her come across her, but she's like some Nazi witch lady, like they had government appointed like witchcraft and like a cult society. It was these ladies with like super long hair. They wouldn't cut their hair Cause they thought their hair was like an antenna to the spirit world and they were communicating with these beings from another world and like channeling them.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:17

I do believe that, though, that your hair is a nice antenna yeah for sure, for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:23

Do you have you not cut your hair for a long time because of that, or do you still cut?

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:27

it. No, no, no. I do whatever I want with my hair whenever I feel like it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:31

So, no, I I believe that it can be, but I don't practice your hair down to your ankles yeah, no, I don't that's what these ladies had and like they would do some classic which like a crystal ball and meditate in a group and stuff, and they channeled other entities that the Nazis were apparently in contact with and gave them a bunch of technology and ideas. And then she vanished and who knows, maybe she went away with them, maybe she quantum jumped, but yeah, she's a mystical figure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:01

That's interesting. I've actually never heard that Interesting.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:03

I've actually never heard that. What crazy paranormal personal experiences or wild things of your own experience could you share Anything like that? Well, when I was a kid, I would see things. I would see like mystical misty.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:24

I don't even know how to describe it like creatures, I don't know. I don't have my memories very vague. I don't even know how to describe it Like creatures. I don't know. I don't have.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:30

My memory is very vague, but I remember seeing things when I was a kid, which is why I felt so comfortable going into this stuff, because I felt it in myself. I saw shit that I shouldn't have seen, that shouldn't have been there, you know, as a kid. But when I would tell my parents about it, they would honestly yell at me like you're lying, this isn't true, stop making shit up. And I'm like no, I'm literally about to shit my pants right now. I saw that, anyway. So I shut that side of me off.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:58

I learned to shut that off as a kid, and I would feel things, too, like spirits. I guess you can call it spirits. I don't know, I was little, I didn't know what anything was. I just know that I was feeling things that weren't seen, and then, um, so that was, that was all I've seen as a kid, and then I shut that off.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:18

And then, now that I'm getting into it, I haven't really seen anything that spooked me or scared me enough, but I do like some of my things will move. Or I have a sensor light and sometimes it goes off and on and I'm not saying like it's something evil or whatever, but like shit like that happens to me all the time and they say, if things happen to to you like that, it's because your energy they know they can sense that type of energy towards people and they go towards that which I don't, I don't, I don't know, I haven't really touched in on like ghosts or shit like that, but shit will move in. And also, I lived across the street from a cemetery when I was in middle school, so I didn't live in the district, so don't rat me out when we went to school.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:05

What I was going to say is living in the area. Did you ever go to bachelor's grove?

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:09

hell fucking. No, no, I used to frequent my sisters have oh yeah yeah, but no, I'm not sure honestly. I'm sure they have something to share, but I don't know. I know when I was little, anything that had to do with anything scary or paranormal, I did not want anything to do with that closed it off yeah, but now that I'm getting older, I'm getting, I'm getting more comfortable. It doesn't scare me anymore. But when I was younger, hell fucking was not messing with that shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:47

Yeah, I don't think I'm exactly trying to seek it anymore either.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:50

Yeah, also, I heard like things can follow you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:54

For sure. That's why I don't like messing with that and it all scares me. Anytime someone's a skeptic on like spiritual stuff or whatever, and they're trying to I don't know play Mr Concrete, like I have to see it, I have to feel it, or it's not real, I'm like, all right, well, would you play with a Ouija board? And if their answer is fuck, no, I'm like, okay, why? Because you believe something might happen and you're scared. You're scared because part of you does believe it, but sometimes I'll be like, no, I'll do it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:27

And I'm like okay, boards, is that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:28

it's the way you approach it and when you so essentially you're basically opening up a portal, for sure, and if you're not, if you don't know how to protect and bring in only light and have that the first beings that want to come to the light, because essentially humans are filled with light, they're attracted to us.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:44

We, even if you don't believe, like if you have, if you believe you have no worth you are so full of light that other beings know that, like, especially the ones of the lower worlds, so those are the first ones that are going to come up because they're the ones dying to reach this space.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:05

So that's what they say reach this space. So that's what they say, like if you're not learning how to protect yourself, the board, your surroundings, the first things that are going to approach you are demonic things. I mean, we say it as demonic but honestly they say, like you know, on a god source, higher self level, there is no such thing as good or bad and there's a reason why that being is that being. You know, and I don't know their path or their story or whatever, so, but we as humans see things you know yin and yang, like that has to be demonic and that has to be good, or you know shit, like that true, there is a order to things and you can't have bad without good we just had a demonologist on a little while ago.

Donna Cabral: 43:46

I think we even asked him that exact question about can things follow you? And he was like oh yeah, like that's real. So you're probably smart not to go when you were younger to bachelor's grove.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:56

It's scary but you sound like you're speaking from experience. Have you ouija boarded?

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:01

no, I have not and I probably wouldn't have, even though I feel like I would know how to protect myself from anything. But no, I have never done that. I've heard stories of other people doing it. That's enough for me to be like. You know, I'm a pass on this one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:16

For sure. I've had enough spooks to know that type of shit is real. I don't need to play with the board to figure it out.

Donna Cabral: 44:25

I'm very skeptical with a lot of shit. I believe a lot of crazy shit too, but I'm very skeptical with a lot of crazy shit and I swear to God, this happened, and no exaggeration, this really happened to me when we were living before we bought our house. We were living in Lombard. We were living in an apartment building and my wife was experiencing like things while I was at work and like weird shit Like a box moving across the floor. She thought it was our cat. It wasn't our cat. She was trying to open the bedroom door and she said it was like 500 pounds was keeping it shut and then all of a sudden, boom, it opened. And then she said she saw mist forming. Okay, like this all happened in like three days.

Donna Cabral: 45:07

So I invited a buddy over and I was like let's fuck it. We got all high and shit, and it was like two in the morning. I'm like let's do some evps, you know so I I had a fucking dictaphone, dude, everything was quiet and I was like I was asking a bunch of questions. You know like hey, are you a man or a woman? Who are you? And then, when I put headphones on, I played that back. I swear on everything I love, bro. I swear on my kids, everything I love. When I asked the question, are you a man or a woman? You heard a voice say female. I swear to God.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:41

Only on the recording.

Donna Cabral: 45:43

On the recording you could hear it, or you heard it in real life. No, no, they didn't hear it in real life. Didn't hear shit in real life. It was only until I played it back and and, like my buddy, sean, who was there, I was like, bro, I'm like I'm not gonna tell you what I hear, but I'm gonna tell you after I ask this question. Tell me what you hear. He heard the same thing. My wife heard the fucking same thing. You could hear it, bro, it was there. Guess what I found out like four days later? I was friends with the guy, the kid that looked right below me, him and his family. What I found, I told him the story. What I found out like a week later, was that before we moved in, on the floor above us, a woman had a baby and her postpartum stress was so bad that she killed herself.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:20

I'm like that has to be fucking connected, right, yeah, and I'm not, I mean, I don't know, that's so weird, right, like I don't even know what to believe, but that was real, that really happened no, I totally believe that I'll say, when we went to bachelor's grove once we went to our friend's house after and his door slammed open that night apparently, and there was a hole in the wall as if, like, unless he went that far to like trick us to be like, hey, let me piss off my family by pretending that some, because he was scared as to go anyway, and we went in the middle of the day and then we caught an evp that day actually too, and it was crazy because, like it was undeniable, like like you probably heard or you watched the ghost shows and you're like, yeah right, this is made up, like this is corny, and like we're listening back, just chilling.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:04

And there was a part, like you know the legends, that like mobsters would dump bodies in the lagoon there or something. And we're like talking about mobsters on the recording and like as we're talking about, you hear a whisper and it goes come get some punk. And we listened to it so many times over. Come get some punk, like taunt from a mobster, or something. And it was like creepy, gross, just like guttural, exactly how they sound, like ghostly. And then his door slammed open and left a hole in the wall that night and like his sister was freaking out, and so so I saw the dog man there too, but that's neither here nor there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:35

Go ahead and tell your story, what you're about to say um, when we lived across the street from a cemetery, things would happen to me, but only when I was home alone and um, there would be a time it was super late at night one day and um, and coming from my mom's room, the tv um turned on and it wasn't like a normal channel, it was like that, like static. It was static of course and I'm I'm the biggest chicken. I had to be like 12, 13 years old, okay, yeah, and I had to go in there and unplug it from the wall because there's no way.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:19

I was just gonna turn off the button, like that shit would have turned back on and I, my heart is beating fast. I go and I close her door and I go to the bathroom. I'm like calling my mom, like come home, and she's like you're crazy, you know, like not trying to hear what I gotta say. I get out of the bathroom. Her door's open. I'm like what the fuck? I know I closed her door because I didn't want to see inside it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:42

Oh, no the door was open, I closed it again and I was hearing noises from there and I sat in my hallway until my mom came home because I was not about to deal with that. But, um, after we moved out of that apartment, my mom could. My mom actually said that when she was home alone things would happen to her too, but she didn't want to say anything because she didn't want to scare us even more. So I'm like great, so you just laid it off, like none of the shit that I went through was anything. You're like you're making that shit up and I'm over here dying because I'm scared out of my mind but she experiencing some of the same stuff.

"$awbuck" Mike: 49:24

She would experience things moving and honestly she said that things would be there one second and she would go back and she's like I know it was just there and it's not there and it'd be somewhere else. But she wouldn't tell us that until we left. And you know what's so crazy is the first night she brought us to that apartment to show us. She took us at night purposely so we wouldn't see what was across the street, which was a cemetery, and it was um resurrection mary cemetery oh man, I got a story about that.

Donna Cabral: 49:55

When you're done okay.

"$awbuck" Mike: 49:57

So, um, and I didn't know that at the time, you know. So we're going up the stairs, we're looking at this apartment, I'm looking around and I'm looking through all the rooms and it's empty and I I go back to where, like everyone was, and I'm like do you guys feel that there are like dead people in here? You guys feel that, and my mom kind of like her eyes being open and she's like why would you say that? And I'm like I don't know, I'm just asking if you guys feel that, and I had no idea that across the street was the cemetery some people are just more sensitive.

Donna Cabral: 50:28

Have you ever seen the gates? They I think they got rid of them now, but like you could see where, supposedly, she grabbed the gates and they rewelded like those those parts so a long time ago, shit, this was probably like, okay, I didn't even have a license yet, so it was probably like 1995, okay, um, me and my cousin we would, we would wait for his dad to go to bed and then we would go out in his arrow star and we would go, like from bowling brook to pick up girls in berwin, right where we were from. Actually we my wife is in this story at the time you know where is this? The cemetery, justice, illinois, okay, resurrection cemetery and um, so you know the story. You know hitchhiked, da-da-da-da.

Donna Cabral: 51:06

So you have to go through Summit too, like we would go through Summit, burritoville, and okay, so one night we picked up these girls one of them, which is my wife now, and my cousin's driving the girl he's seeing is passenger my girlfriend's middle row and I'm middle row closest to the sliding door on the right and we're driving down Archer Avenue which is the main drag that the Willowbrook ballroom's off of that she was at and the cemetery and everything we're going and all of a sudden, up in front of me, up in front on the right, we see like a jogger. But this jogger's wearing like a like a glowing white kind of like weird outfit. It wasn't like a dress, it was like a glowing white. And as we pass I look and she's right next to me in the window and I'm making eye contact with her. It was black, soulless eyes.

Donna Cabral: 51:58

Dude, I stole, I, I stood, I like stared into it and I I turned like this and I was like dude, dude, that's fucking weird. And then my cousin is looking in the rear view mirror and he says what the fuck? And I said what? I turn around. She's running in the middle of the road gaining on us as he is flooring the fucking car.

Donna Cabral: 52:17

As I turn around back to my cousin. I'm like dude, go go. He's like she's gone. I said what I said hold on. I said like she's gone. I said what I said hold on. I said people could run, people could run fast, but people don't disappear. I said turn around.

Donna Cabral: 52:30

And I had to fucking convince everybody to turn around and if you know like there's like a little, a little like runoff with a fucking fence, like a fucking 12 foot tall fence on this side, and she didn't cross the road. So we went back, dude, and I couldn't, we, we couldn't figure out where she went. I'm not saying it was her, but that was a fucked up experience right there. And you know, we, we used to go all up and down archer trying to find you know her. And I remember one time I was like I was like fuck this, she ain't real, fuck her. You know like fuck, fuck, effing the dead. You know. And then, right after I said it, there was a cross. You know like people put crosses for accidents and shit. There was a cross right. You know like people put crosses for accidents and shit. There was a cross right in the side of the woods that said RIP M I K E.

Donna Cabral: 53:09

And it was like right after I was cursing her bro, I was like, oh, that shut me up.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:15

Yeah, I bet.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:15

Yeah.

Donna Cabral: 53:16

Fucking resurrection. I was terrifying I bet living next to it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:20

Yeah, and those stories that you hear, like the one that you just said, like similar stories, I'm like no, I don't want anything to do with that place ever again. It's for some reason. Ghosts like that just freak me out. I don't know. She needs to cross over. Someone's got to help her to the other side.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:42

I'm sure the ghost could be described as some sort of stuck in between timelines or realities or something too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:51

I've heard that ghosts are. You know, they've lived so many human lives that when you die, you kind of forget that there is more. So when you die, you're like're like okay, no, I need to stay here, because essentially you've lived so many lives here that this, you think this is where you're supposed to be. You know, as a human, that you forget that you're supposed to go wherever it is that you're supposed to go. So they are clinged on to earth. That's what I've heard. That they cling on to earth because they forget.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:25

Yeah, that's definitely something like heard that they cling onto earth because they forget yeah, that's definitely something like if you're heavily imprinted to like an area or uh, a routine or something that you're seeing still doing that thing or whatever. Like they say, oh, you still hear the ghost footsteps or the ghost like whistling this tune or you hear the soldiers bringing their fucking boots along the uh walkway or whatever. But this guy that I met at bachelor's grove I think I've told this story before basically described phenomena as a glitch, or he called it time travel, and we were smoking weed at the time. He's like smoking weed is a form of time travel too, and he didn't. He didn't elaborate on that, but he left it at that and he said that uh, ghost is just like a playback of something else that happened at that time or that's happening at that time. And he tried to say that he slipped into a different reality. Like he's like a groundskeeper at bachelor's grove or like a really enthusiastic bachelor's grove guy. And he said that he's heard people talking there that weren't there, like saying like, oh, I saw it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:25

Like thinking that he's the ghost in bachelor's Grove that someone else is seeing in a different timeline, like there's a group of people at Bachelor's Grove that aren't there in his reality, if you will, that are seeing like an apparition of him bleeding through, and he can't see them, but he can hear them.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:39

So he came up with that idea that it's like an interference of reality or something, and he referenced the tower nearby, if you know like that, that big orange radar tower at the park nearby, like the gaelic park, or near the school, foster hilly or whatever the tower park they call it. He's saying that electromagnetic radio tower or something. It causes a glitch in reality and that that's where paranormal hot spots occur. And as soon as he was doing that, my wheels started turning. As he was talking about that, like the druids and like ancient, like pagan dudes would be like near the tallest tree or near the tallest standing stone. It's kind of just like using crystals to channel or enhance things, and even radios are made out of crystals and minerals and stuff. So I feel like that modern technology is just doing the same thing that they were doing back then, trying to like communicate with the spirit world or some shit I believe him.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:31

I'm sure shit like that happens. It has to do you like nature a lot me? Yeah, I have to. It's my way of letting go and releasing anxiety and stress, and if I could just sit at the park on some grass, that's a perfect day for me.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 56:50

People don't really realize how profound touching grass is for your wellbeing. Underrated, they meme it the meme. Go touch grass, weirdo whatever, but being in nature is awesome.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:03

Yeah, it heals you actually, it really does Especially if you're bare really does especially yes, and I try to be all the time. If I'm outside at a barbecue, my shoes are off. I you can look at me like I'm crazy. I don't give a fuck. I pass that stage where I don't care anymore about how other people view me and I'm. I will be barefoot at the park, anywhere that is know safe grass to walk on. I will take my shoes off.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:29

A hundred percent. Fear of what other people think is probably one of the biggest mental traps.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:34

It is Especially growing up.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:38

I'm thankful we all grew up when we did, though, and not right now.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:41

Personally, I hate technology.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:48

I can't imagine being fully immersed in in technology, like from the get-go, like at least I feel like we kind of like grew up at the pace that it was getting better, like we started off with terrible video games and like no cell phones. Then we, we get the first incantations of cell phone, like just as we're becoming old enough. And shit, mike, you're a little older, but still same shit. You had very little technology to now still be incompetent. You're better with it than I am, dude.

Donna Cabral: 58:10

I fucking lived through answering machines to beepers, to phones. I was just telling my kids it's like y'all are fucked, your generation's fucked, dude. When I was in seventh grade, before school I'd put out frozen meat and like think about how I'm going to go home and make chili. You know, and I would in seventh grade. My fucking son is going into eighth grade. The motherfucker can't even microwave hot dogs.

Donna Cabral: 58:35

It's like bro you know, it's like you guys are in trouble and I try, I try. It's my only job is to make sure that they can be productive people, and I'm doing my part, bro, but it's just, I don't know. These generations, man, I'm genuinely scared for them.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:52

Technology is definitely a tool that we can use, but it's a hindrance as well.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:59

Yeah, I do agree.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:00

How old is your son?

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:04

He is nine. He's going into fourth grade.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:05

Okay, gotcha, how do you feel about the?

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:10

school system nowadays. You know it's. I hate it actually.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:14

Were you a good student or a bad student.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:16

Me yeah, I was.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:18

You had to have been good because you weren't in any of the dumb classes with me.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:22

No, I wasn't dumb classes. Actually, I did not give a shit. School was the last thing on my mind. I hated school. I I was so consumed with the trauma and shit going on at home that like I couldn't even focus in school. I I could not give it my time. I was just thinking about what was I was going to deal with when I got home or shit like that all the time, because I my mom was I forget what she was addicted to some type of narcotic at the time and I had a little sister, and that my house was just full of chaos.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:04

So the last Are you the oldest sibling? Huh, are you the oldest sibling.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:07

Huh, are you the oldest sibling? No, I have five siblings, and I have two older, I'm the middle and then I have three younger. It was a chaotic household for sure. The last thing on my mind was school. I did not give a fuck if I failed. I couldn't. That was just not my priority at the time, and that's sad to say that as a kid like I could not even enjoy being in school because I was so worried about my home life and what was going on there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:42

That is sad and I'm sorry to deal with that, but it seems like that's what put you on to your journey of healing and whatnot and exactly what you are now. But I could say myself, school was definitely not uh fun or enjoyable, so I don't think uh missing out on the brainwashing indoctrination society was uh that big of a miss for you maybe it's good to be conscious for it maybe it's good to be conscious for it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:09

And they say, like kids that don't grow up and get so trapped in with the school system and all that are meant for different things. We're not meant to do that. We're meant to change the fucking world. And once I heard that I'm like fuck yeah, because I knew there was a reason why I did not give a shit about any of this shit that was being taught.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:29

Maybe, just all a little neurodivergent. Even my son too. He'll be like I don't understand this. Why are we going to this? I don't get it. I don't like it and I'm like I know, I know, and I would love to homeschool him, but I just I always say when you're older and you can be home alone and you can do your work, I will pull you out of school and you can be homeschooled, but until then you got to go. That's what I say to him.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:01:54

I think the natural authority hater in me and rebel just immediately, did not vibe and I used to like cry over my homework and spaz out over math problems and never do any of my work. And I wasn't like a bad kid, I just didn't do the work, I hated it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:11

I couldn't focus. Yeah, me too. I wouldn't say I was a bad kid either. I just said I never did my homework. I never did my homework ever. I wasn't going to start now in high school. Also, I was never taught to do my homework at home. You know what I mean. Like, I was never taught to sit down and do this, so I never gave a shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:31

Honestly, what do you two think about autism like? Do you think, uh, it's over diagnosed thing? Do you think there's way more people getting autism because they're poisoning us and shit? Or yes, I think we're all a little autistic because I feel like I am legitimately like adhd autistic. A little bit gotta be adhd, I don't know, if that's real.

Donna Cabral: 1:02:48

I don't, I don't, I don't know if it is either, but but I would say, I'm wired differently, for sure I do believe autism is increased because they're poisoning us okay, I'm gonna tell you my take on it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:59

Adhd, I feel like, is a made-up thing, but I I believe that it is because kids have so much energy, they're vibrating at a higher frequency than they were in the past and instead of teaching children, like you know, children should be running around. They have all this energy. They need to be used and they're being forced to sit in a chair, so of course, they're gonna freaking shove a pill down their throat to make them focus. But with autism, see, I don't know. See, okay, this is my take on autism. I feel like autism is something we are brainwashed to believe that is bad and just because they don't fit in the society matrix, mold that they oh, my god, my kid has autism, like crying about it. But also, if you've met somebody with you know I don't know the different levels of autism, but like they're, they radiate light, you know. So how can I say that that person wasn't supposed to be that person? You know exactly the way they were.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:04

And then, in a book like winter, loris cannon channels people, or channel information. She says that if you want to um break out of your karma, you can. You can um incarnate into a life where you have autism or where you're deaf or where you're blind, because you're essentially breaking your karma wheel. You know whatever it is that, I don't even know that. Whatever karma is, you're healing that by incarnating into a life that is essentially harder. But then I've also heard that say you've killed someone in a past life, your son or something that has autism that needs your help to take care of for the rest of your life is your karma because you've killed that person. So now in this life, you need to take care of that person wow, that's wild.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:04:57

I've never heard of that. I wouldn't doubt it. This shirt that I'm wearing is like some karma shirt. It's a. It's like a famous picture of a like a animal butcher. That's a pig and he's like going after uh, the farmer. And they say, like that, there's an alternate timeline. I think it's like a hindu mythology, where humans are the prisoners of animals and humans are the the slaves of animals for the way we treat them here karma is another one that I wonder about, though.

Donna Cabral: 1:05:23

Right, because we always hear we always hear about karma only one way. We never hear about it the other way. Like what about people that do all this really good shit? How come they never get any really bad shit? How come karma only works one way? You know, I don't know. I think about weird things like that, yeah, but I agree with the ADHD. It's like okay, hold on, you have a young kid in a classroom that's totally unnatural being taught something that's not interesting by a teacher that's underpaid, and he doesn't lock in immediately. So we got to medicate him. Like that's not, it's not natural, right?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:59

That's definitely not natural.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:06:01

No, it's perfectly normal and clown world.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:04

Right, which is I'm such an advocate of teaching people healing and how to deal with your energy, because you don't have to be on that type of medication for your child. You can learn if, even like a meditation bath, I give my son meditations bath when he's feeling overwhelmed or has too much energy, and that motherfucker would come out of that super relaxed and I'm just like, if people just knew these different techniques which you know, it's not mainstream, it's made more mainstream. You know to shove a pill down your throat, but if they just knew these things, I just feel like the world would be so much better well, that's exactly why they don't want us to know it, because they don't want us to know human potential and, you know, do things for ourselves.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:06:48

They want subservient customer class illusion that matrix system alive.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:57

I just cropped us.

Donna Cabral: 1:06:59

I cropped us the shit out of my kids with weed smoke to calm them down.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:02

I'm just kidding I'm just kidding, I don't do that hey, you're not the only parent that I know does that. No, I'm just kidding, I don't do that. Hey, you're not the only parent that I know does that. No, I'm just fucking around, I don't. I don't, but it would be funny.

Donna Cabral: 1:07:13

Atlantis. You said I'm sorry to cut you off.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:16

I was asking her if she believes in Atlantis or a time that Earth was a much more higher vibrational planet or we were on some more you spiritual like, have you ever heard of tartaria? Yes, do you believe that something like that was real, like an atlantean time or a tartarian time, high spiritual?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:34

yes, I do, and I also read about it in dolores cannon's books too and one of her books and lumaria and all the other shit that was going on and that we've all lived past lives. I mean not everyone, but you know majority of her subjects that she was getting this information from was from that time period and how they talked about and then how it the essentially what is in the book is that the power was being abused for sure for in a negative way.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:06

So then they had to crumble that existence to start over that story is in pretty much every mythology it's bob frazell, our very first episode that's that's his shit.

Donna Cabral: 1:08:19

that's he. That's exactly he talks about, like the ascended masters and lemuria and the how theian what did he call it? The Martian. There's like a Martian rebellion that happened on Mars and then that's where the Lemurians came from down here. His shit's amazing. His books are really good, but he was our very first guest. Bob Frizzelli talks all about that stuff. It's so fascinating.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:41

Yeah, it is really fascinating, it's actually awesome and I believe in it. I believe in it 100%. I there's people don't, that's okay, but I do believe in and I do believe, like I'm not sure if it's Atlantis, but like where the Bermuda Triangle is, they say that a piece of land, I don't, I'm not sure what time period, maybe Lumeria or Atlantis, whatever still exists deep down in the ocean, which is why that energy comes up and affects planes when they drive past. Or people say that things disappear and when they disappear essentially what I've read in books that they have gone into a different time period altogether. I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:27

Some sort of portal or some shit.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:29

Yeah, there is a crystal down there, if you do go on your journey to Peru.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:36

There's plenty of fucking crazy megalithic sites there and like the cliffs and what is it like? What's it called, mike? What's the other?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:44

ancient alien site.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:45

It's Machu Picchu. There's another one, though, too Kumapunku. Is that also Peru? I think so, and those places that they said was built by, like, the cloud people, the giants, or whatever.

Donna Cabral: 1:09:57

And they built it all one night with these megalithic stones. They weigh some way 40,000 fucking pounds, yeah, and it's like eight thousand feet in elevation. Come on, you know no wheels. How did you do that you? Know like tops of mountains.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:12

Yeah, frequency, that's what I've heard, like pyramids, that back then we we knew how to work with energy and we can carry things with energy to sites. That's's what I've heard. I don't know if that's true. I believe it more than us dragging these thousand-pound pieces everywhere.

Donna Cabral: 1:10:35

Yeah, the pyramids, dude, some of those stones weigh 100,000 pounds and they were cut from a quarry 500 miles away. So it's like how did you get them there? You know what? You floated them 500 miles down the nile. Okay, sure, I'll give you that. Then what then? How did you move a hundred thousand pounds across the fucking sand? You know, on rollers?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:57

come on, dude, sound levitation it was probably so fucking hot, oh right right, yeah, I didn't even think of that, the fucking sand. Neither did I. It just came to me now Like that shit, it must have been super fucking hot out there, right yeah, the giants.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:16

Maybe Maybe I think giants are one of my favorites as of late, the hidden archaeology and stuff. Like there's all the old accounts or newspaper accounts or photos, Like there's no real evidence to go off of, but there's been plenty of stories and anecdotes, Literally every culture Like to me. I'm pretty damn convinced that giants were a thing.

Donna Cabral: 1:11:35

It's in the Bible. It's right there in the Bible David and Goliath.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:42

Yeah, I do believe that giants were a thing, didn't they find like big human remains somewhere.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:47

All the time in north america and europe and mexico, and it's always covered up. It's a museum. The smithsonian will always confiscate it and they magically go missing and it's just more questions than answers. It goes against the education that we're taught about I don't know, evolution or the big bang or whatever it right. It throws off academia, so they don't want to change the story right, which will cause mass chaos if they did I'm I'm worried about the mass cast.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:16

That could potentially not worried, because I'm not worried at all. I think it's a circus to me and I don't believe politics are real. Mike knows that. Anyone who listens probably knows that. I think it's all fake, like votes. Votes don't matter, it's all picked, they're all related, but I think they're gonna stage some bullshit on us again coming up pretty soon. I don't know what.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:34

It's always fun to speculate, though yeah, and I've heard like I mean cloning. You know cloning that there's so many types of. You know joe biden's out there and I don't pay attention to shit, but like someone will post a picture and I'm like this does not give me the same energy than the guy that I just saw in the last picture I seen and shit like that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:52

I think there has been a couple of different renditions of like famous people that they brought out multiple different clones.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:59

Absolutely.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:01

Or body doubles. I mean, yeah, you didn't strike me as someone who bought into politics too well. Do you think it's all fucking fake?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:07

Everything you said with, I agreed with Every single thing. Yeah, I don't pay attention. It's rigged, it's bullshit, it's just a way to separate us as human beings even more.

Donna Cabral: 1:13:18

Divide and conquer.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:19

Yeah, they have that in every single possible aspect of it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:23

Mm-hmm.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:28

Have you deep-dived any secret societies like the masons and luciferians and shit like that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:32

rosicrucians I have when I first started to like go down this path, but I don't anymore. I'm more like not to come off bitchy, but like um, I'm just focused on my reality.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:45

Now you know, and I'm giving all my attention into like who I want to be and what I want to become and stuff like that, and I get that like all that shit exists. You know the evil out there, the reptilians, the Santanic rituals that you know famous people are into, the politicians are into yeah, I believe all that shit, but it's going to be there, regardless if I give it my energy or not. So I just for a while now I just don't care, you know, to even pay attention to it or go down into it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:14:19

It's definitely. It can get dark. It can get dark and that's why it is good to center it around your own thing, because they are trying to get our energy at every turn. To be honest, and sometimes me and mike will be middle of an episode and I'm hearing these people talk about some crazy shit and I'm like, man, this is wild. Sometimes you gotta just balance it out.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:39

So that's why we try to have the chill aspect of it yeah, you have to, because sometimes you'll get so into it and sometimes I'll be riddled in anxiety from it and I'm like, wait, I need to calm down, like this shit is gonna exist with or without you know me. Let it just play out how it's meant to play out in the world, and it is what it is, and let me just focus on me yeah, I do like that because I've definitely gone way too into rabbit holes where you lose yourself and need to take a break and same with, like I don't want to get into the wars and stuff, but people are like what are your thoughts on the war?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:15

and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like honestly and I don't mean this in a nasty way, but it's, yes, people are dying, I get that, but it's in their soul contracts, it's, it's already meant to play out the way it's supposed to play out. It's it's, yes, people are dying, I get that, but it's in their soul contracts. It's already meant to play out the way it's supposed to play out. It's going to be what it is to get people to awaken. But I'm already at that stage to where I'm like, all right, I get that, that's part of you know, their reality and what they need to go through, and they signed contracts before they were, you know, incarnated to go through that, to wake the masses or whatever the case is. So I'm at the point where I just filter it out. I just filter it out.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:52

But a lot of people don't like to hear that that's probably a pretty healthy practice, to be honest because they say, like even bashar when he talks about realities, like there is a reality out there that that shit doesn't exist. But the more you buy into it, the more it becomes your reality. So the more you shift your focus into a positive reality, the more you're shifting yourself to a parallel earth, to where that shit doesn't exist, which is what you know we're essentially doing with. They say, like you know, everyone's waking up, people are learning to heal. That's the great awakening, the age of aquarius. Whatever which is what we're actually doing as in a consciousness level, is just moving to an earth that that shit doesn't exist on do you got any fast hacks?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:39

because I'm trying to go there where there's none of that bullshit and one where there's no fucking taxes and technology and other annoying fucking things. How?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:47

do I with with, not a planet where ai takes over. Just I would say keep your vibration high, listen to those frequencies, learn how to let go sit with yourself, meditate, you know, do that. People always don't want to hear that, but literally it's changed my life.

Donna Cabral: 1:17:08

I would not have anything I have today without that have you um made him like have you made amends with your parents like are you guys on better terms now or no?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:19

Yeah, that's awesome, yeah. So when I first went down this, I was like hell, no, I'm never talking to my mom again. I don't give a fuck, you know. And then, when you start to heal, I'm like, oh okay, like she didn't have a good life, how could she give me a good life, you know, and you start to see her as I don't. I stopped viewing her as someone above me that needed that. I was craving nurturing from you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:45

And then now, like kind of the roles are reversed. So she comes to me for healing or like with her problems, and I'm like don't focus on that. You know, like every honestly, that's how it is with my whole family. Now, like every honestly, that's how it is with my whole family. Now they come to me for guidance, I guess you can say, rather than the other way around, and I never thought I would get to that point.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:09

And then, when I'm here, I'm like oh damn, like there are levels to this, because I thought I was fine, you know, just cutting her out of my life, because that's what most people do, right?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:17

They're like oh, negativity, let me cut that shit out of my life, cause that's what most people do, right? They're like, oh, negativity, let me cut that shit out of my life. But once you actually deep dive into yourself and realize like, oh, my mom, like she didn't have anything good in her life either, and I just see, like I just want to heal her, you know, like, just help her see her own worth, because how could she think I was worthy or how could you know, how could she love me the way I thought I deserved to be loved as a child, if she wasn't even loving herself? And plus there were yeah, and plus there was five of us like our. Her tension was definitely all over the place, you know, with us, with herself. I cannot blame her for anything that she's done to me because, honestly, it's made me who I am today and now I could help her honestly.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:19:10

The proverb I, like those who know, must teach, so you're embodying it, you're shedding, spreading the info and you're giving it back to your family and got to love it.

Donna Cabral: 1:19:15

I had something real similar to when I got to a certain age and maturity, when I realized, just like you said, when I realized that, oh, my mother is just a person, just like me, with her own flaws and her own, her own issues, and yeah, and once I realized that I was able to see things in a different way and heal more.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:36

you know, so true, so true yeah, you definitely let go of that like inner child trauma or shit that you hang on to and it's honestly, it's liberating to, yes, not feel that way anymore and not view them like in a negative light. She still drives me crazy, but you know, I don't let it affect me like I used to, like it doesn't trigger me anymore. I just I see her and I'll be like, okay, I see you need some space, I'll let you have your space and we'll continue this conversation when you're ready being the conspiracy nut of the family is always the pattern.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:20:16

They laugh and they think you're nuts and yeah, get the fuck out of here. And then eventually, yeah, they do come back for knowledge or ask our opinion on things.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:25

And that's how it was too. When I first started, they were like look at this bitch, what the hell is she doing? Why is she doing that? She looks goofy as hell. And now every single one of them come to me for something.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:20:39

Gotta love it. My family fucking turned it around when the whole pandemic shit happened. Before they would always think I was a nut, and then they kind of saw it in front of their eyes and they were, all you know, on board with fuck the government, fuck everything. Now it's a psy-op, yeah.

Donna Cabral: 1:20:56

My family's still fucked.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:58

Oh some. Yeah, like family has disowned me because of my views when it happened and shit, but honestly I'm thankful like 2018, 2019, I started to go down my spiritual awakening because if I didn't, I'd probably still be fucked like everyone else in the world so we should hopefully slowly unfucking it. That's the goal, right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:21:22

Yup, Got anything else. Closing thoughts Donna, this was a great episode. This was awesome yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:21:27

Thank you. I do have one thing to share about aliens that keep coming up in my head, because I didn't share it last time. Have you heard about um, like people being getting x-rays done and then they'll have like yeah yeah, that's wild uh-huh and in um.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:21:44

In the books that I've been reading. In dolores cannon's book she says that they are to track and to watch, um, what's going on here, and you've essentially, on a soul level, signed up for that because your soul is part of their soul group, whatever alien beings. So in a way that it is, you've signed up for that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:22:09

You're their undercover human.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:22:12

Yeah, yeah, basically living this human life, cause you know, you forget who you are, where we're from, when you incarnate and you think you're that person.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:22:23

You know, but you're so much more than just that little human I can't remember the guy's name, but there was a doctor that had documentary where he removed like dozens of those implants maybe michael now it was a jeremy corbell film, it was called patient seven or something like that.

Donna Cabral: 1:22:37

Yeah, he removed something from him and uh, it was lear lear dr lear was his name too and yeah, he removed and it was like metal that wasn't like the fucking metallic makeup of it wasn't from like the isotopes weren't from earth. So it's like, right, what is that, dude? What is that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:22:55

so does that make you still not believe in aliens?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:22:58

no, I, I just, I definitely believe in something. It's just for the longest time I believed in aliens as okay, they're from fucking mars, they're from a galaxy far, far away, that this, that. Now I think that they're more so like some sort of spiritual entity or they're. Maybe they are an alien, but they're an alien that, like, lived on earth or in inner earth or something before us who the fuck knows. I, I just know that, uh, we've been lied to about a lot, so I don't know what to believe yeah I get that there's something, there's definitely non-human, uh, entities.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:23:30

I don't know what to call them, though, but if the government wants me to think that they're in ufos and they're going to come be our friends, then I'm going to tend to not believe that. I don't know, it's probably good and bad ones. For sure I I flip-flop my thoughts all the time.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:23:42

Yeah, as anyone with open mind should right, right, because that's how you stay open exactly. You gotta question your own beliefs last I got one more I got one more question for donna.

Donna Cabral: 1:23:57

Do you think that we are living in a simulation?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:00

Absolutely.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:01

Yeah, I do too Something like that, if we can change realities and dimensions and stuff.

Donna Cabral: 1:24:07

Elon Musk convinced me that we were living in a simulation and it was real. Simply, and I'll keep it quick, he basically said that okay, humans, what we do is we improve upon things, we make things better, right, so even if you assume we get better, at a 0.01. Eventually, we'll get to a point where reality is indistinguishable from anything and we progress at a much faster rate than that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:35

So, yeah, I think we're in a fucking simulation well, elon wants to put a chip in all of our heads, so I don't really care.

Donna Cabral: 1:24:43

He's a fucking weirdo. For that he is a weirdo. He's smart, though.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:46

Yeah, they say he's. I mean I've heard like he's part reptilian. I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:52

He seems like a likely candidate if we're going to pick a few out.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:55

Yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:56

Him and Zuckerberg.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:02

Definitely out. Yeah, him and zuckerberg definitely. Where can the listeners keep up with you, donna, on my instagram page at the warrior?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:25:07

goddess underscore. Do you have an art store? Our youtube channel? Any plans to start your own podcast, etsy?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:12

you know I've etsy is something I've messed around with before. I do have a page on my Instagram on my Instagram but I I haven't put any of my art stuff on there, it's more of my. I make spray bottles, of protection spray. I have those, I have energy spray and I have a bath salt mix that should help you release some stuck energy within the body. So that's that's my thing, that I've been working on more holistic healing products. That I've been doing and that's linked up to my Instagram page.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:25:44

Badass.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:45

Thank you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:25:46

Hell, yeah, everyone, be sure to check that out, give her a follow and yeah, if you got anything else you want to say, go for it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:54

Just live your best life and know that you're worthy, love it Of anything you want to do in life 100%.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:03

That's why I knew you'd be good on this episode, so thank you for doing this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:08

Thank you for having me.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:09

Donna.

Donna Cabral: 1:26:09

Cabral.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:10

Yeah, the warrior goddess on Instagram. Warrior goddess underscore A alumni of mine but, like we said, said never actually talked to her. Just seeing that she also posts goofball, nut, crackpot, schizo, fucking conspiracy content, so it seemed like a no-brainer. I should reach out.

Donna Cabral: 1:26:28

Well, to be fair, though, if you would have even, like, let's say, you guys talked a lot in high school, it wouldn't even have been the same person.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:35

It sounds like yeah and I was very much the same person as far as, like fighting, fucking combat, lifting, you know, like that type of shit, uh, but my beliefs, no, I was way more like closed-minded for sure, like I didn't know shit about the world. I was a teenager, just like, oh, that's fake, oh, that's not real, like I was still into paranormal stuff and still I guess me. But yeah, no, I dude, I'm after high school. I just woke up to the reality of the world, like trying to be an adult, like and thrown into money, fucking make a living, do some shit, get a fucking job, like immediate. Just no, it was a harsh wake-up call. And fuck this, dude, everything sucks. Why is everything like this? I don't want to fucking just slave away. So it's now slave away till I die or I'm retired, like we're just gonna do this the next 35 years, like, uh, okay yeah, that's it, man.

Donna Cabral: 1:27:23

She took it a lot of different directions too. You know we come. I feel like we covered a lot of different topics.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:28

You did a really good job running it too definitely, and it is a good change of pace to talk to a girl because we've had plenty of fucking maybe not repetitive.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:39

Not repetitive but similar uh, you know, perspectives, granted, we have a large variety of guests but a lot of, uh you know, repeating themes and masculine themes. And girls are, I think, more spiritually uh, sensitive women are definitely more uh in tune with spirit, world or, I guess, emotions and stuff, especially because motherhood they have to read the babies without words, like they have to understand and be intuitive and empathetic of, like others, feelings and stuff.

Donna Cabral: 1:28:12

And yeah, it's it's just a good change of pace to have. Yeah, yeah, it definitely is, dude, Even, like you said, just guess with different viewpoints. It's always good. It's always good to explore all the different options, because you got to keep your fucking options open. You got to know both sides of the argument, or all sides of an argument, whether it's strengthen yours or look for new information, whether it's strengthen yours or look for new information. You know and yeah, I think there is something to that about women having like a softer, more intuitive side to them. You know that lends to a unique viewpoint.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:28:49

We're getting in touch with our feelings on the show now, guys.

Donna Cabral: 1:28:53

Yeah, we are. We need to get with the times. You know what's crazy. What's that? Whenever I would have to quit using heroin. One of the things you go through when I would say, maybe like day three, it starts and it lasts, maybe to like day 10, is you get so emotional, bro? Like there would be times when a fucking commercial would come on and I would fucking get teary-eyed bro and I'm like what the fuck is wrong with me. Dude, that's funny. You couldn't help it, though it's because you know like you're a zombie, you know you're emotionless and then you stop using it. It's all floods back to you bro. Yeah, it's just, I used to hate that. I'd be like why am I crying? It's a fucking paper towel commercial.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:29:36

You know, that's funny as fuck I remember one of my tattoo artists told me this was probably around the time when I was first going, like vegetarian. He's like, yeah, I did it for a while, but he's like I stopped. His reason for stopping was funny. He said he stopped because he started getting emotional over different things and like the movie up he was watching, like the movie up or like some other, like silly, like child pixar movie or something, and he started like crying over it and he's like what is happening? I I wonder, because I I feel pretty soft emotionally sometimes too, like I would get, uh, inspired, teary-eyed over, not like some movie or some, over more. So like that I'm doing in my personal life or whatever, like, I guess, profound stuff that I was felt like I was meant to do or like, holy, I was actually doing this, but I don't know, maybe it is being vegan, somehow I got a little softer okay, whatever.

Donna Cabral: 1:30:26

So we're recording this on 7 24, and I say that because earlier today I'm watching Embedded 3- the third episode of Embedded for UFC 304, which which is the main event which is going to be Leon Edwards and Bilal Muhammad. So by the time this is out, this is going to be old news, but for the sake of this conversation, I was watching that episode today and when Bilal Muhammad started to get emotional about the kid that he saved, I started to fucking tear up and almost bawl. And that's what a I am dude. You know what I mean. Like I couldn't even. That's just a touching thing, dude. There's something about seeing a grown man cry that is hard to not like a grown man, but like a guy like belal muhammad, like that. When you see someone like him cry, it's like it hits me hard, dude, cuz it's like you know how strong that dude is, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:24

I got.

Donna Cabral: 1:31:24

I'm so excited it's for this fucking fight.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:26

I know, I know me too, bro. It's like a fight against the system we should have her on again.

Donna Cabral: 1:31:32

Definitely have her on again, dude. You know that mean it doesn't need to be, you know, next week or anything, but I'm sure she, she's probably. She seems like the kind of person that is always seeking new information. So if we had her out in a couple months, I'm sure it'd be a completely different conversation you know Definitely, and I'm sure there'll be, hopefully.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:51

I don't know how many female listeners we got, since you're the one who looks at our numbers. I can't tell if they're female, though.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:00

There or female there could be. It doesn't say in like the demographics, no, it just says like what country. Okay, um, because I think youtube says youtube definitely says if so, if you looked at the youtube studio, it would tell you if the viewers are female or male. And uh, I was gonna say is, if we do have any female listeners which I'm not uh too inclined to believe for any reason maybe they'll be calling for bringing her back or, uh, other female guests. I don't, I don't have any leads on any others at the moment, but, uh, we are definitely open to it yeah, I don't.

Donna Cabral: 1:32:27

There's not too many females that really are prevalent in this genre, but there's there are some.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:33

There are some and you know spiritual side of things for sure oh yeah maybe not overtly conspiracy, but uh, alternative thinking, spirituality, no doubt you know it'd be a fucking cool one like bucket list.

Donna Cabral: 1:32:44

One dude is linda molten. How?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:32:48

uh, what is her exact? Some some of the names of like people in the conspiracy world I don't always remember, but I'm sure I always have come across their work more.

Donna Cabral: 1:32:56

She's the cattle mutilation, okay she's a number one expert on cattle mutilation. She's been studying them since the 80s and she does UFO shit too. She's like real, real, big time as far as like women go on that side of things, not spirituality, but actually conspiracy-type shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:33:16

We've got a backlog to load up on. I got a couple more leads. Yeah, mike Davis threw a few good people. Mike, we could always get Mike back on.

Donna Cabral: 1:33:25

Yeah, yeah, I think returning guests.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:33:26

Any of the listeners out here want to hear. Let's go.

Donna Cabral: 1:33:30

I want to get. Uh, I saw Mike Davis had Dan Henderson on. That's pretty sick. I'd love to fucking talk to Dan Henderson dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:33:38

Hey, sam Tripoli, if you're hearing this, stop giving me the hot girl treatment. I doubt you're listening to it, since you're blue balling me and us about coming on the show. He's a fucking big brother of us dude. Somebody send this to Sam. He's hot girling us.

Donna Cabral: 1:33:55

Yeah, right, I mean, hey, this is all I'm going to say. If a motherfucker volunteers to come on a show, okay. So you're gonna think, okay, this dude's gonna do a show, cool. It's like we didn't ask. You know, we didn't ask, the motherfucker offered it, and now that motherfucker's making us feel weird about it, so it's, I don't know. That just rubs me the wrong way, you know, just fucking say no dude just fucking.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:24

You know, I don't know whatever no hard feelings. It's a busy. It's a busy industry. I still have a hard time letting go of them.

Donna Cabral: 1:34:31

Grudges, bro. I still work on that one it's hard to not think.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34:34

Take things personally shit.

Donna Cabral: 1:34:36

Everything is personally. What's the opposite publicly? Yeah, I guess shit everything's personal to me, bro. You know like for real I take everything personal and I know I shouldn't because I know everything deep down. I know everything isn't but I feel like it is, if that makes sense. You know it's more personal to the sender. Yeah, all these fucking deep philosophical kind of concepts is the theme of this episode.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:35:03

You know which is cool.

Donna Cabral: 1:35:05

It's fun to, I love exploring this shit, you know, because it's like I don't know. I just I have ideas, I've thought about it, just like you have, and it's fun to bounce these ideas off of you know, you and donna and me, and it's kind of fun because I'm sure we all came out of this episode with tweaked opinions on what we had thought before. Everyone's a little different in every conversation.

Donna Cabral: 1:35:26

It really is yeah, this was an unexpectedly awesome one dude. Not that I thought it was going to be terrible, but you know it's just some. You go and think, okay, we're gonna do a cool part, we're gonna do a podcast, and but then when it gets done you're like, oh, this one was fucking really good. You know definitely some some flow better than others yeah, no doubt, no doubt, some are way easier to edit because we're still figuring this shit out and sometimes, like I said, in in the middle of it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:35:51

Sometimes it's not like we've had anything too dark or whatever, but sometimes I'm like in awe of the crazy shit I'm hearing, like holy fuck, like I'm like I love this type of shit, and now we're we're dead in the middle of it, like I'm talking to someone I'd be listening to if I wasn't talking to them, or some shit right, yeah, I get um.

Donna Cabral: 1:36:09

I don't really get starstruck, you know, by by anybody, but man, the first time that we had fucking bart sabrell on dude, I was like this is fucking awesome like this is bart sabrell you know yeah it happens.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:36:23

Yeah, I wouldn't say starstruck, but it's a right good perspective. I always wanted to be some fucking conspiracy nut weirdo, right it's fun.

Donna Cabral: 1:36:31

It is fun. Yeah, and you said we got a couple other people we're working on. Uh, my new tattoo artist, fucking huge conspiracy, dude, bro. He brought up tatari, he up the fucking mudbloods, the 30-foot doors, bro. He was just going up. Okay, now his position on Trump is that he's God's chosen one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:36:49

Oh, my God.

Donna Cabral: 1:36:50

So it'll be a fun one to have him on too and hear him go. But he's knowledgeable bro. It'll be a fun one, It'll be wild, I'm sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:36:59

But that's what we do here. Definitely, let's go. Your listeners know where to find us. Yeah, they do well. Instagram head hunter higgins, sub up mike two truth seekers for the podcast page that we don't post on very much, admittedly. I'll take responsibility for that. That's the one tech thing I should handle on for the show that I don't. But youtube, spotify, all the listening platforms give us the five-star review. Hit us up, yes, and if you want to be a guest?

Donna Cabral: 1:37:30

yes, or you know somebody that wants to be a guest, or you know somebody that you think would be a good guest, or you want us to be a guest. Just listen. If you want to fucking get a hold of us, shoot us an email conspiracy and chill yahoocom. Yeah, we appreciate the loyal, uh contingent of listeners that we've had from almost day one. Keep doing what you guys are doing. As tom said, the five-star reviews they really help kind of move it along and you know, just say algorithm. Yes, you just got it makes you sound smart, like you know what you're talking about you know, it's like megapixels algorithm megapixels, I'm smart, I'm almost at a thousand subs on my regular youtube channel.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:38:08

So let's go well that's good, dude thousands.

Donna Cabral: 1:38:11

That's like the first, the first big hurdle. You know, we got like 112 right now on our YouTube channel. Go check out my headhunter.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:38:21

Higgins for any of our martial arts enjoyers.

Donna Cabral: 1:38:24

Yes, all right. So this was Donna Cabral, your former classmate.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:38:31

Now schizo friend.

Donna Cabral: 1:38:33

Yeah, yeah, good episode, though, dude, she seems like a very cool girl. You know, definitely yeah, she seems like a cool girl you know, she like, like a girl you could just kind of like kick it with and fucking. You know like bullshit about crazy ideas, and what more could you ask for, right? Well, uh, you got. Anything else it's it for me stay away from power files.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:38:57

Thank you, I'm out.