33 | Thor from Norse Magic & Beliefs | Viking Lore, Nordic Legends, and Spiritual Energy | "Of Course They Could Be Tree Spirits"

Curious about the mysteries of ancient beliefs and Nordic heritage? Special guest Thor from the Norse Magic and Beliefs YouTube channel joins us. We tackle Norse mythology, traditional Nordic wrestling, and the pride—or sometimes lack thereof—in Viking ancestry among Norwegians. Thor shares his unique insights into Scandinavian strongmen, their incredible strength, and the cultural roots that shape their prowess.

Next, we journey through the dimensions of Norse mythology and conspiracy theories, shedding light on how ancient humans might have interacted with beings from other realms. We'll dispel misconceptions about Viking culture, particularly the rights and roles of women, and clarify how much of our knowledge about Vikings has been distorted over time. This conversation revisits mythical creatures and ancient myths, offering a more accurate portrayal of Viking society and its intricate belief system.

Finally, we explore the spiritual energy of ancient sites like Stonehenge and discuss their potential as portals or energy conductors. Hear about personal experiences at sacred sites in Ireland and England, and how these visits can enhance physical and mental well-being. Thor imparts his knowledge on Norse animism, stressing the importance of respecting ancient traditions while acknowledging the spiritual essence of the natural world. Tune in for a thought-provoking blend of historical insights, personal experiences, and ancient wisdom that will leave you both informed and inspired.

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• 1:24 Our Guest Thor
• 9:01 [Ad] PodMatch
• 9:39 (Cont.) Our Guest Thor
• 13:10 Exploring Ancient Norse Culture and Discoveries
• 26:21 Suppression of Ancestral Identity
• 29:22 Energizing Sacred Sites and Power
• 33:51 Exploring Norse Animism and Spiritual Beliefs
• 46:35 Exploring Spiritual Connections and MMA Opportunities
• 49:57 Reviving Traditional Norse Wrestling Styles
• 56:02 YouTube, E-Commerce, Podcasts, and Wrestling
• 1:03:44 Modern Viking Connections and Ancestry
• 1:10:28 Supporting Conspiracy and Chill Syndicate

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive.

Thor: 0:11

It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:18

I want you to read the Bible.

Thor: 0:19

We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity. The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show. It's obvious. The aliens are god-fearing, insanely huge, or just one planet?

Thor: 0:38

They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt this is real.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:45

They really did fake the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05

The bulldog ball I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party at a point in uh, in the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast. I met this gentleman on a whim Conspiracy and Chill Podcast, thor, here from Norse Magic and Beliefs YouTube channel and, like I said, I've watched it for a long time, so it was pretty sweet to meet your brother and organize this episode. Thank you for coming on.

Thor: 1:51

Yeah, awesome, thank you. Thank you for having me and cool to see you there. And you won the whole thing. You whooped everyone's ass pretty easy.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:59

It was a fun time. I felt like the wrestling was the least fun part of that whole journey. I was hanging out with the English team, got to chill with Josh Barnett, eric Paulson, got to meet. You set this up so fucking blast.

Thor: 2:13

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wasn't competing on this one, but uh, yeah, I did, I did All right. I got third at the one a year ago, so that, uh, but there's some good guys, as's a the guy who usually wins that I forget his name, but he's uh, he's really good in my weight class oh yeah, tough guys.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:29

And one thing I observed there too is I was like dude, most of these guys here are like 30 and up. Like all these guys like catch, wrestling is more of like a man style, just like a brutal competition, and watching your videos for a long time I know you've covered like norse uh games and like tests of strength and stuff like that. Have you ever gotten into like glema or the backhold wrestling or some of the other uh, like nordic combat styles and wrestling? Because I'm a nerd for all that shit. I love it definitely I haven't.

Thor: 2:57

Um, I've just messed around with it. I've studied the history, but I haven't gone to any uh clubs yet. Glea club there's a couple in norway and and a couple in iceland who still do it. I think in the us too there's, there's a couple clubs that still do it. There's. There's different rule sets, um, but uh, yeah, I've just played around with it and I think I I should do more because I think I have a natural gift for that. It's in the ancestral memory. I'm I'm pretty crap when it comes to defending the legs or like these other types of wrestling things, but when we're just locking up in the clinch, like that, that's that's where I do well. So let's, let's see.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:34

I hope I can train soon how come so many of the strong men, the strongest men in the world that you see in those competitions come from your area of the world? That's just dna right it's dna.

Thor: 3:48

It's changing. I I think it's strong. I've looked at this a lot. I used to train a little bit of that myself, but it's um. The dna is, of course, there, but you also need the lifestyle. It's not easy and it's not cheap to be 400 pounds and be lifting weights all day. So it comes down to lifestyle too. And now it's just. Scandinavia did very well in the 90s and even 80s. Iceland did well, but now other countries are taking over, just because it's getting too expensive to eat in Scandinavia. So it's hard to get big there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:22

So you were born in Norway? Now, because all this time I thought you lived in norway, just from the accent and like the knowledge, and then seeing you in california, that's where I was like oh shit, like no, it's not him.

Thor: 4:32

All right, let me just ask yeah, but born in the us, I have both. I have both citizenships. I lived back and forth between norway and the us most of my life, um yeah nice is, uh, the culture in Norway.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:46

Do they take pride in the Viking ancestry in like a general way, just like the average Norwegian people like take pride or take note of that, or are they kind of detached from it?

Thor: 4:56

Yeah, not as much as you'd expect. They all are proud when people bring it up, but most of them don't. They don't study much of the history.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:06

That just kind of they believe the mainstream media stuff that they hear and then they they don't do much more digging into it than that so what caused you then to go down the deep dive route of you know the whole magic beliefs, like your whole channel magic, the gods, the ritual practices, like all that stuff super interesting. But uh, were you considered like a weirdo for looking into all this stuff? Yeah, pierce.

Thor: 5:31

Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Well, everybody thought it was weird. Um, because I've been, since I could learn how to read. I've been, I've been reading all that stuff and I mean I've been really starting to understand the beliefs and the culture of it. So when I, when I got older, to like teen years, early 20s, but then nobody, yeah people, yeah, people just think you're weird for that. Until until Vikings the TV show comes out, and now everybody loves it. It's cool to see the change. Good TV show.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:03

I've never actually really watched it either but, I went through.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:07

I was my whole life obsessed with, you know, celtic warriors and stuff, because most of my ancestry, to my knowledge, was all irish. So I was just all in on the celts, consuming everything I could about irish or gaulish, like theology or their practices, like the warriors and stuff like that, when I was probably like 20 years older. So I found out my last name in in irish meant viking. So I was like, oh fuck, yeah, dude, I'm a viking you know what's the last name higgins and in irish it was you again.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:37

and it just translates literally to viking. But uh, both of my parents had gotten the DNA tests. I've never done it, the ancestrycom or whatever, and it turns out. I have no actual Viking blood in me. It's basically like 90% Irish, a little bit of Welsh, Scottish and Polish. But yeah, that made me feel like my whole Viking obsession phase was a fraud.

Thor: 7:02

Yeah, you never know. Like I always say, the DNA tests aren't aren't uh, super accurate. There could be a lot more things in there. It's it'll at least be a little right for the from the viking settlement of ireland. There will at least be some in there. How much, I don't know, but uh, yeah, there were, there would be some at least do you have a podcast or just on your youtube?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:20

do you like put your stuff on spotify?

Thor: 7:22

no, no, no spotify. I've been wanting to start, wanting to start just uh, just to speak to people. You know, uh, that's uh, and not so much motivation to to start one myself. I don't, I don't have the patience for it, or the or the yeah, yeah, all that stuff, but just to speak to people like all these, the most famous people, and learn from them, that would, that would be just reward enough by itself hell.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:48

Yeah, that's been a really cool part of this, and having conversations like this with you know people whose work I've interacted with for a long time and consumed, so fuck, yeah, man, what kind of guests you have all kinds of subjects. We've had uh conspiracy like writers, authors, uh engineers. We've had quite a few fighters like mike's an mma journalist, or former mma journalist like he likes to say. So there's a lot of crossover with uh like martial arts in this podcast, but we've had like we had josh barnett on it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:21

We had a couple old school ufc guys who are again just dudes that I would love to talk to and learn from and pick their brain on and other far out views and I know that you and everything that you study would make for a good guess and I'm sure you've got some personal crazy encounters of your own that can't be explained traditionally that I would love to get into as well.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:43

Yeah yeah sure, well, I guess I will, will ask have you ever had a what you would call, I guess, mystical encounter, whether it was uh, through dreams, a vision, a trance, like out in the woods and had some profound experience, anything that you could, uh consider unexplainable there's a, there's a lot.

Thor: 9:32

It's, um, no super magical things, nothing appearing out of thin air, right, but it's it's when we get into the states of meditation. Our brains are not wired. It's. It's part of why I believe, uh, ancient humans could see these things and why they all had fairy tale like stuff that we never believed today, and why they all had fairy tale-like stuff that we never believe today, and why they all had closer experiences with the gods. I think a simple answer to that is they were much better at meditation, if you want to call it the third eye. They had a stronger third eye. The DMT, the pineal gland in their brain, was a lot more active than ours is today. Gland and their brain was a lot more active than ours is today. They were a lot more. They had a lot easier time getting to that meditative state and experiencing these things. So for us it takes a long time.

Thor: 10:23

Some people it may take some hallucinogenic drugs, but for me I don't. I'm not a big fan of that. For myself I haven't tried too much of it, but it's states of meditation and doing it at specific places in nature. That's the old Norse tradition of sitting out on the burial mounds to wake the dead. I've done that quite a bit, meditating in these stone ships they're called as well that are supposedly supposed to bring you into the underworld. And then you have some random experiences. Sometimes you're meditating and you're just in your own bed. There's nothing special about it, but it's something a lot more than a dream, and it takes a bit more experience to tell the difference between just a regular old dream and what was some, some stronger spiritual experience, whether you saw the gods or you saw an ancestor or something like that in your dream. So I think everybody experiences those types of things. It's just that most people can't tell whether they were a dream or whether it was something more.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:31

Awesome man. That is something I definitely subscribe to as well. I kind of tried to mimic my own little spiritual practice, based off of Celtic stuff. Many years ago We'd be out in the woods for hours at a time and going to the same spot over and over, whether it was to work out or just meditate, do art, write, just hang out, and I would swear I would get some like trippy moments and I'd be doing nothing, I'd be smoking some weed but it would be like everything froze around me or you just can't really explain it. Or something else you made me think of is that like trance-like state of mind. I'm sure you've experienced it through training, combat or just doing like conditioning with the team or something, and it feels like you're doing one of those like brother, uh, like oof headnar, berserker rituals, and you guys just go into like that hive mind of just training and pushing through exhaustion, that transcendental training yeah, yeah, exactly, it's uh, it's what I focus most of my spiritual efforts on.

Thor: 12:29

There's some people who like the runes. There's some people who get into shama, shamanism type thing, but uh, for me, I'm trying to get into that, that trance state for training, for fighting. Um, it's uh difficult, it's not easy and sometimes it's random, but there's some things we can do to help it. It's it's like the flow state. Everyone knows the flow state, but if you, if you can do a couple other things, it's it's uh can be like way more powerful than that if you actually get to that state do you believe in cryptids?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:02

uh, what do you think about aliens? Just the typical like conspiracy stuff we normally give our guests like a little rundown or like a conspiracy pop quiz questionnaire yes, I don't know.

Thor: 13:14

I've been, uh, I've listened to a lot of podcasts while I'm working this week about it as well. Uh, like different dimensions. Who's that guy's name?

Thor: 13:22

um, billy, uh, billy carson oh yeah and he was uh, he was breaking it down in a way that made a whole lot more sense, and a lot of people are starting to speak about this too, and even some science to prove it.

Thor: 13:36

Like it's not, um, I don't know if I believe in aliens, but it's.

Thor: 13:41

We're definitely visited quite a bit by uh beings from other dimensions all around us, and, and the way he explained it is uh, there is uh, mathematicians and and scientists have shown is that, like, we need 11 dimensions, right, like we don't know that there are, but according to some math equations, something there's a.

Thor: 14:03

We need 11 dimensions or else everything would cease to exist. So they think, like, just out of like, yeah, there should be 11 dimensions, and then the way we look at that is we can perceive three, right, but two would be like that. So we can perceive two, but people or beings living in two dimensions, they could never perceive us. So that's exactly what the fourth dimension is looking upon us, and then the fifth and all the way up to 11, and if you, and if you add up all those dimensions, we're one, two, three, uh, that's our dimension, and if you add up to 11, that's that's nine. About what ancient humans would have perceived the nine worlds from norse mythology and many other norse like mythologies around the world as well, so I'm a big believer in that that's right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:51

Where I was gonna go next is, like you were mentioning before the uh encounters that the ancients had, whether it was their mind tapping into another dimension. Maybe the just the fact they were closer with the earth and, yeah, their, their abilities were more in tune, that they were able to, almost, like, traverse through these other worlds, and so do you think that that's where maybe, like the, the dwar, the elves, the giants, the other mythical creatures.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:18

you think they're in a dimension just outside of ours and sometimes there's some bleed through, sometimes we can, you know, mentally or astral project there. Or do you think that there really was like giants and gods and whatnot on Earth, because there is evidence of giant skeletons and whatnot found all over and that's something I love looking into as well?

Thor: 15:37

yeah, definitely, definitely, uh, both. I definitely believe giants existed as well, but, uh, the giants in the north mythology is is something different. We translate uh, uh they were called um uh to giant, but that's not what it is. The translation from old Norse means like devourer, the one who devours things like that, or the, so they're the devouring beings and what? Whatever dimension, whatever realm that might be, and then you have the gods, you have the dwarves, you have the elves. Yeah, we don't know exactly what those nine dimensions were. We know a few of them, but we we know that there were nine, but we don't know what they were all called and what exactly lived there. Uh, the sources don't say that, but yeah, that's uh, definitely believer in that, and they can transcend into our realm at specific times. Um, and yeah, we can also, through certain rituals, transcend into other realms as well. Every single culture believe that throughout human history.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:37

So, yeah, I don't, uh, I don't see why we should believe any different it really does line up with pretty much every ancient uh culture, kind of having shared principles or stories and whatnot, just kind of retold over and over something, though that would be appropriate to ask for this show what is a uh conspiracy related to the vikings or just a common like debunk thing that uh, you hear people perpetuating about vikings or norse stuff oh geez, that's a lot, that's a lot that's a thousand years of lies being told about them.

Thor: 17:11

I don't know uh, the one that's probably the most wrong that I hear everywhere that bothers me the most is their treatment of women. I think, uh, they were just running around raping women all over the place and they didn't care about them and uh, taking them as slaves and things like that and sending the women out to fight with them right, the shield maidens and things like that. But the women were the most protected of society. We have so much more evidence that that was true that the women were like dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of the men were going to start fighting If there were women around. Okay, women, get to the side, get out of the hall, get out of the side of the battlefield, along with children and elderly and the slaves too.

Thor: 17:59

It was just the warrior class of free men who were supposed to be fighting and they did. Of course, there were bad apples we have a few handful of accounts of them being cruel to women and things like that but yeah, most of it was a. It was a society that protected women and valued them more than anything else, and their rights show that they have the right to own land. They had a lot more more rights than anywhere else in the world at the time too, so that's probably the biggest conspiracy that I like to debunk uh, there was probably the outlier lagatha too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:33

Right, there was, there was probably. You know, most women, as you said, probably did the responsibilities that you said, but I'm sure there was the occasional lagatha out there on the, the front lines with the men. One of the things I wanted to ask you, it's the opposite, right, it's like I don't think the viking culture gets enough credit for this one, and that is the belief that Columbus made to the Americas first could you? Talk about that a little bit yeah, yeah, sure, so that's been.

Thor: 19:00

Uh, yeah, they knew that for a long time. They, they. It was around the year 1000. Uh, that, uh, the Vikings discovered America. They had settled Iceland 100 years before that, maybe Greenland 50 years before that, but right around 1000 they discovered the North America, specifically like Newfoundland, canada. They called it Vinland, but there was also another one, a couple places there. They got further south, almost to like New York area as well that we know of, maybe even further south. But yeah, they, we have the literary sources that show that Eric the Red Saga is the main one and yeah, they settled there for decades at least. And then we also have archaeological finds. The biggest one is on Newfoundland. That. So, yeah, we know for sure they settled there. That just kind of got lost and For a thousand years. So they think Columbus discovered at first. But yeah, when people in the 1800s started Re-examining these old sagas, they said, okay, yeah, the Vikings did discover, okay, blah, blah, blah. Well, that might not be accurate, but the then in the 1900s, they discovered, uh, the archaeological remains on newfoundland.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:15

So we know for sure that they did there's evidence that they made it as far as wisconsin and minnesota isn't. There, I believe they found like glyphs and whatnot yeah, yeah, there's the.

Thor: 20:27

Uh, there's a runestone, it was, it's, it's largely kensington, runestone kensington that one's largely been debunked as a fake one.

Thor: 20:35

But yeah, I think there's been other archaeological finds far in to Wisconsin and even some evidence that they made it all the way to South America, I think don't quote me on this, but it's like specific genes that they found in south america, and specifically like a reddish hair gene that came from scandinavia, that that was present in places in south america that they don't know where it came from. Yeah, it couldn't have come from the european settlers, like many hundreds of years later. So that's yeah, and we also have uh, voltan, uh and, I think, mayan or aztec culture that sounds like incredibly similar to odin. So it's little traces like that that they maybe even made it all the way down to south america, but that's just speculative the red-haired giants is always a thing too when we're talking about, like the, the hidden archaeology.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:31

Almost always, the giants are described as having reddish hair and six fingers, just being huge. And uh, are you familiar with the channel?

Thor: 21:41

uh, old world florida no, you've seen any of that that's a guy who focuses.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:46

We're gonna have him on the show actually monday. His work is a lot about, uh like, like you were saying, vik Vikings coming to America or who was settling in America, but mainly Florida, whether it was like ancient Israelites or the Irish or natives Vikings. But his whole idea too is that America was like some holy land or like remnant of Atlantis or something. Have you ever looked into the Vikings having anything to do with you know lost tribes of Israel or Atlantis and stuff like that? Because those are trails that I've went down myself and it's super interesting.

Thor: 22:21

I haven't researched it too much. I see comments all over the place about it. The Vikings are really from Israel. They are the lost tribe of Dan. Those are the Danes. I don't know where they get that from. Um, nothing in the north sources that shows any of that. But yeah, they're.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:38

Yeah, I haven't done too much research on it otherwise yeah, a lot of the idea is like their heraldry, or they say that they, the vikings, fulfilled a prophecy or whatever, that they were the last ones to become christian and they were terrorizing their, uh, their fellow european brothers for a long time, or it's something along those lines. And then, yeah, the, the dan, the danes, denmark, sweden, founding places like, uh, donegal in ireland, and they just always try to equate things that are around the name dan or don or something like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:11

Or the.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:12

Danube River or the Tuatha de Danan stuff like that, that they try to say like oh well, this was the tribe of Dan, and I don't know. People also attribute that bloodline or whatever, like proposed lost tribe, as something to do with aliens or Nephilim or reptilians too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:30

So it kind of ties back to the red-haired giants. So yeah, when it comes to comes to like the Celts and the Vikings, a lot of people put a lot of stock and it is pretty well backed up. I think you'd you'd find some interesting stuff if you look into it.

Thor: 23:42

What time period is that coming from? Like the dumb tribe and and the origin, uh origin of all that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:49

So I'm not a, uh, super biblical scholar, but I think that that would be like when these people were scattered from Israel. These tribes would have been 1000 BC or so. Like before, well before the Roman Empire was, you know, fighting in Gaul and stuff like that. And that's why they think, like when all these people spread out and people started forming, like the Scythians, the Germanics, the Celts, that before that there was a dysphoria of the Israelites that went missing.

Thor: 24:19

Yeah, yeah we have. The Prozeta is the number one that the gods, whatever they call it, the gods came from Thrasia. So it would have been like modern day Turkey area and Odin was a grandson of Priam, the Trojan king and that would have been right about 3000 years ago. And then he migrated to Scandinavia. And then another one, Heimskringla, that's written by the same author but he kind of contradicts himself. He says that the gods came from Arsalan. Then, like, geographically it would have been north of the Black Sea, near the Caucasus somewhere, and then they came into Scandinavia and brought all the wisdom and spiritual knowledge, that kind of stuff. So that's a couple of things that might get somewhere closer for that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:08

Yeah, I think it does kind of line up and I know people have said what was it? You said us here or us something to do with. I know people propose it to be, uh, azerbaijan, which is right there in the the caucas mountains too and there's evidence that that's where, you know, like the progenitors of indo-european, indo-aryan people was from out there and kind of spread out like the the black sea. It became the scythians, became all these other races.

Thor: 25:36

Yeah the scythians are also. They're they're an amazing uh, that's a lot ton of history. We know a lot when we see traces of their culture. I I think I think scythian, original, true scythian culture. They they migrated to the germanic areas and it persisted in the Germanic areas longer than anywhere else. But we find traces of it even Scythian DNA and Scythian culture as far as like Japan. So they really traveled like hell and I've been doing a lot of research on that. But there's so much more to learn. The Scythians are the real, real, amazing ones. I think they're super badass.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:13

Most people don't even know who they are.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:16

Yeah, a lot of people don't know about the gals or anything like that either. So it's just I don't know. I feel like there is a cover-up in a way, a lot of the things that, uh, we're talking about. It doesn't. They don't want it to be out for whatever reason. And when it comes to, uh, you know, exploring your ancestry and being proud of who you are, that's kind of just suppressed in general nowadays too, or discouraged by mainstream or whatever. Uh, trendy, divisive attitude is rampant. But you guys get what I'm trying to say they don't want us.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:48

They don't want us to be proud or connected to who we are, because it's a lot easier to subjugate and control someone who has no connection to themselves or their ancestors. Make for a nice globalist slave yeah, yeah, completely yes.

Thor: 27:01

It's happening everywhere and it's uh not the first time I tried to do that divide and conquer been going on for 3 000 years at least, but uh, yes, uh, at least on a wider, more advanced scale today, what they're trying to do you mentioned billy carson.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:16

I? Um been doing a lot of listening to him too. Recently he was on rogan and I listened to that and he? Um he mentions a lot about all these different ancient pre-diluvian cultures that have written about what he believes are extraterrestrial encounters. Is there anything like that in the Viking lore, where they're communicating with space gods?

Thor: 27:42

It's difficult. I don't know. I haven't done so much research on it, I don't know a whole bunch about it. The main ones they're referring to right is the Anunnaki Anunnaki, is that, how do they say it? Yeah, um, so I I thought for a long time that that was the, the giants from norse mythology, the yotna. They, uh, they have a lot of common similarities to it, uh, but the more I read about it, the more they sound like something else. They sound like, uh, they're more people or beings who came to the world to help them, help, help people, right and they brought them some technology or whatever, some spiritual powers. So that sounds more like the dwarves when I, when I do a bit more reading into it. But I might change my mind once I I'll go on a big, uh big research on the sumerian stuff and all that uh, unnaki stuff and, uh, I might change my mind once I learn a little bit more about it have you guys?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:44

obviously, mike, I know you are, but are you familiar with like the missing 411, like people going missing in the woods and stuff like that or in national parks, just the disappearances? Apparently, majority of them, they say the majority of the people that go missing there are like largely germanic dna. It's just a weird thought too. What if they are transporting to the Dwarf Realm or to the Elf Realm or something?

Thor: 29:06

Yeah, and they've. Yeah, they know, I mean there's. Yeah, what's his name? Yeah, billy spoke about that as well. Like there's portals, there can be portals in some places, and Stonehenge is one of them too. There's a lot of people who reported missing from there and even like people, there's a lot of people who reported, uh, missing from there, and even like some flash, it sounds crazy stuff. Uh, people don't want to believe it, but, um, and when it happens over and over and over again, specifically at certain sites in nature, you gotta study these things. They probably are, they probably are studying these things, but they're not telling us, the general public I think that, uh, this is something I've brought up a couple times.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:43

I think the standing stones, or even like giant trees when they were around, basically act as like a, you know a conductor or a portal so they could more easily access those realms or open something up and communicate through, whether it was stonehenge or other stone circles, other really tall standing stones or burial mounds. And it makes sense when people are all into you know, crystals and the new agey people, or even our radios and cell phones and stuff, use crystals and minerals as conductors. So it makes sense, like the tallest tree gets struck by lightning.

Thor: 30:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, have you been to any of those in Ireland? I haven't a lot of those stone circles I want to go to, but I haven't been. I've been to any of those, uh, in ireland. I haven't, uh, a lot of those stone circles I want to go to, but I haven't been. I've been to stonehenge once but uh, I don't think anything else. I don't know. Do you notice anything there, anything special about those places?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:34

oh yeah, man. So when I went last year was actually the first time I went and it was kind of just because I always wanted to go and connect and do all that type of stuff and I wanted, wanted to be there on Halloween, because Halloween was, you know, like the Samhain. The original pagan tradition came from Ireland and like that's the day where you know the dead or your ancestors are closest to this world and the veil was the thinnest. And that's how I ended up doing the catch, wrestling world's tournament and meeting Josh, meeting the snake pit people that I went to go wrestle with when I won that tournament just happened to fall on the days that I was already planning to be in Ireland and that was in England, just literally a one-hour plane ride. So I was like, all right, I guess this is just going to be like a spiritual journey, hero's journey, type of deal.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:16

So I went out there and I made it a point in my rental car to go drive to like it was like Skyrim.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:21

I was going on the map and like checking off all these sacred sites, like go to these mounds, go to these stone circles, go to these standing stones, and honestly I had all of those. Just that was like my last week before the tournament was just going to these sites and doing little workouts there. I did a couple of like body weight exercises and, like we were talking earlier about that trance, that meditative flow state, whether it was just because I was connected to the land or whatever, I entered some pretty wild states of mind out there and just felt the, you know, the vigor of the sites. And then I went to that tournament and I dominated. I probably had the best, best performance I ever had and I do credit it a lot to going to those sites, just feeling the energy of those sites, whether it was in my ancestry or those sites were on these ley lines and they were meant to be conductors and stuff like that this other guy we had as a guest.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:11

You may have seen him before. He's a big stone lifter. He's getting pretty popular now. His name's indiana stones because he goes around uh, finding like mythic lifting stones, testing stones. And he said he was at the. It was called the cucone stone, where this legendary warrior supposedly tied himself up to fight enemies till his last breath. So he died standing instead of on his knees and that was supposedly the stone that he tied himself to. And this stone lifter guy visited that stone just like a day or the same day that he lifted his heaviest stone ever, and I was there like two days before I had my best wrestling performance ever. He's like yeah, this site undoubtedly gives power and I believe it, dude I believe it.

Thor: 32:50

Yeah, I felt some things, but how long do you think that lasts when you, when you go to these places? Yeah, how long do you feel the effects for?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:56

I'm not sure. I know I'm going back to england, though, so I got to try and get that same boon status effect going again. Go visit all these sites and hope that the few days is enough, but I don't know, maybe it's permanent.

Thor: 33:08

I hope it's permanent because I felt pretty good sense yeah, I'm hoping, hoping that, yeah, I've tried some of these things. In some of those places I feel great, amazing, like say, like you said, like that trans state for a couple hours and then maybe the the effects a couple days, uh, positive after, as long as I don't overdo it. Sometimes I overdo it and then I feel like shit the next couple days. But, yeah, I wish you could, there were these places you could go for power that would last a lifetime. I was just wondering if you noticed anything like that so I have a wild counter too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:44

When I was coming down from one of these sites, and it was the day before the tournament, it was called like a cairn. It was like a big burial mound on top of like the tallest hill in the area, just like thousands of stones, and I was wandering around up there for a while. It was super tall. Steve Hill too. It took a while to get up. As I was coming down, there was like groups of people going up. In the very back of the line was the old dude just stood out to me immediately with a huge white beard, just looking like gandalf, and I'm like dude. This guy looks like a damn druid, like straight up, and I get to him and he goes. Now you are the man of all men among us and I was like dude, this is like a I just got the blessing from the druid.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:17

Now I'm just gonna beat everybody, so I hope that that's the permanent level up status effect. But you said you feel like you've overdone the energy of these areas. What kind of sites are you talking about? Are they in Norway?

Thor: 34:28

Yeah, yeah, there's one place called Merlin Um, like a bear. There's grave sites and ship burials they're going back to the bronze age even and you just feel electric. There's just so much power going on. So then I overdo it a little bit. I should probably work out for 15, 20 minutes warm up for some workouts later that week, but I just keep going for hours and hours, don't get tired and uh, yeah, then then I just feel crappy the next, the next day. Another one is uh boy, yeah, I've felt that, um, really amazing. There's that big, uh, viking festival there, just electric, like more energy than I can ever get anywhere else, like the strongest pre-workout you can possibly have. But then, uh, yeah, overdo it a little bit, drink a little too much maybe, and uh, yeah, feel like shit for a week after you said stone boats or stone circles and little groves and whatnot.

Thor: 35:24

Yeah, yeah, they're all burial mounds, basically Badass.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:29

Imagine what it would be like to throw a Gleema tournament there.

Thor: 35:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be good. Maybe I'll speak with them, see if we can do something like that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:38

Speak with the spirits. Ask permission.

Thor: 35:40

Yeah, yeah, or the festival arrangers, both of them, are them probably good idea?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:46

I would say so when it comes to, like nature, spirits or, you know, spirits of the land, kind of like we just alluded to, do you subscribe to that?

Thor: 35:55

yeah, sure, that's, that can be. So much the the, the ones we know from north. Mythology, um, is pretty uh, uh specific. They've, they've given them like, uh, specific appearances, like in iceland specifically, there were four main ones land spirits protecting the whole island like a dragon or serpent, uh, stone giant, an eagle, um, I think, a bull, something like that. But then you see, like small little references to them, uh, in folklore, scandinavian folklore, uh, they, they usually come up as like, uh, like manifested as animals, but of course they could be tree spirits.

Thor: 36:36

So I don't know if there, if there's anyone out there that doesn't believe that trees have a spirit or consciousness, then I don't know what to tell them. There's so much evidence out there science now that that shows that trees have a consciousness at least. So, um, there's that. But the specific ones tied to the land too, we find that and, um, yeah, even rocks, even rocks and burial mounds. There's different kinds of spirits, there's probably thousands of different ones, but the sources only give maybe a dozen different examples would you consider yourself a modern day pagan then?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:10

or what would you call yourself spiritually?

Thor: 37:12

yeah, yeah, sure, uh, we, we just started calling ourselves norse animists. That's that's what I, uh, that's what I subscribe to. Then it's the animism, the idea that there's spirits or consciousness and everything in nature, and, yeah, that describes our beliefs a little bit more more than just pagan polytheistic subscribers to that religion.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:38

I love the memes and whatnot. You talk about the LARP pagans, the cringe pagans. That shit is hilarious.

Thor: 37:44

Yeah, those are the ones I'm talking about. They're the, they're the one, they're.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:47

They're the polytheists, they're the ones worshiping the marvel comic book characters as gods I mean literally and like we were kind of talking about earlier, like pretty much all cultures have these, you know, truths or stories and principles that they kind of all share, and as long as someone is getting something out of it and they're not being cringe and just making up stuff as they go.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:11

and who knows, maybe we're all kind of making up shit and just adding what's useful and taking out what's not, but I think there's a lot of truth in all the, you know, noble and honorable ancient traditions. There's a lot we could learn from them.

Thor: 38:30

Yeah, they were barbaric as shit shit, but that was what the time called for. Yeah, sure, and let's say it's about wanting to learn. You know, everybody at the end of the day has to force form their own beliefs. We can't, we can't, force our beliefs on other people, but, uh, as as long as they're willing to learn and, and you know, pay attention to the sources we have and the things we know, and also pay attention to what other cultures in the world believe, they were not all that different. There's nothing unique about the norse to other cultures. We, we all believed similar things. If we go back in time and if people start to examine the the actual, primitive spiritual beliefs of different cultures of the world, instead of just what this book says or what they were taught about in christianity, then then they all kind of come to the same conclusions eventually yeah, well put and I think that, uh, you can kind of be dialed back again into.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:18

They don't want people digging into their roots, they don't want people looking into you know things that will empower them, or spiritual truths, and by they we mean you know the powers that be the, the globalist, the shadow government the enemy.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:32

Yeah, for 2 000 years, longer than 2 000 years, doing the same thing do you think we are leading up to some ragnarok uh battle of good, good and evil forces like because I know us and a lot of listeners are always looking at the world through a good and evil lens. Do you see it that way?

Thor: 39:50

Yeah, history repeats itself. The same things we're going through now it repeats every thousand years or so. There's a big thriving of civilization and then there's you can even look at what is said about Lagnarök all the things that happen. There's brother fighting against brother, there will be three years of winter, there will be, yeah, like volcanoes and earthquakes and things like that before the society, and there's a lot more in there that's a bit more symbolic that we can tie to today. So I think, if you look at the symbolism, probably half of the things have happened leading up to ragnarok so far.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:31

so, uh, yeah, we're probably about halfway there why were the vikings so good at building boats and navigating the world when really, when I think back, it was the vikings and the minoans? They were really the two cultures that were able to, you know, circumnavigate the world? Do you think that they learned it from, maybe, the minoans, or do you think, I mean, I don't know where do you think they got that knowledge from?

Thor: 40:59

yeah, they're, uh, exactly about 2 000 years apart, exactly what I was speaking about. There's a thriving of civilization every every couple thousands of years, before a little collapse, at least. Um, so that that was the bronze age. The Minoans, they were, uh, yeah, really amazing and what's what else. The uh, like the sea peoples, they were called around that same time. That's that sounded a lot like, uh, yeah, the vikings as well, but it's, of course, 2 000 years before. Hey, I don't know about, I don't know so much about, uh, naval navigation, but, um, they uh, there were trade routes, like very strong trade routes, going between the mediterranean and scandinavia at that time, around the Bronze Age, around the Minoans. There was lots of trade of knowledge and products and things like that. But then there was some sort of collapse, the Bronze Age collapse, and then the Celts really took over. The Celts really took over mainland Europe and they stopped that trade route for some reason.

Thor: 42:01

We don't know why, but the, the trade stopped between scandinavia and the yes yes, mediterranean, and then it opened up again to, uh, to a much larger degree right before the viking age. So it could be that they learned it from there as well. Yeah, I'd, I'd believe that it's. It kind of pops up out of out of nowhere, their expansion into that. They knew how to sail, of course, and they were always great sea, see people. But, um, yeah, it pops up specifically in the Viking age at a huge scale you guys heard that they might have been the Phoenicians.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:34

The Phoenicians was like an early seafaring, uh trading people that are also attributed to, you know, being from Israel or galilee, like just above, uh, jerusalem and whatnot, and there is a lot of evidence of that. That they were like the master traders and sailing all over. Their ships really do resemble viking ships. They were some of the first people to write I guess that's where we get our alphabet supposedly like phoenician, and then some people would say the phoenician like just becomes the finish.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:03

The phoenician and Finnish are essentially the same people and that's where they ended up and they gave their sailing culture and passed on all the everything to build the boats and just you know how to get around the routes down that way. Some people also think I'm sure you've heard of it before that there may have been a land bridge between Scandinavia and, like Scotland and England and stuff. I can't remember what it was called, but I remember watching something about that, that or that there was a bridge that would sometimes appear, whether it was mythological or it was just above the surface before it sunk.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:33

Maybe that some people think that was atlantis or hyperbole or something hi, brazil was more often to the atlantic, this one would have been connecting uh like norway and scotland I know dogger land that's, that was connecting kind of like netherlands to england, uh, but that was that.

Thor: 43:51

That was, uh, I forget when, that's, that's many thousand years ago, when the sea levels were so much lower. Uh, well, yeah, we don't. Uh, yeah, it could be, could be that's. I haven't looked at the sea levels and what uh what's on the floor there between scandinavian and sc and Scotland and that stuff. But it's not far either. It's not a. I mean you could take a ship and row to the Scottish Isles in a couple days. That's not too far. People could have done that also thousands of years ago.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:18

If you could go back, if you had like a time machine and you could go back to any one moment in history to witness it firsthand. What would that be?

Thor: 44:28

oh boy, I mean I'd probably have to say the pyramids, but uh, if, if, uh, just to keep it, yeah, scandinavian, I'd probably go to the bronze age. I'd go to uh. Yeah to the. I'd go to yeah to the.

Thor: 44:45

There was a big battle in the north east of Germany, tollensee Battlefield, and that was probably the most epic battle that ever happened in the north, and that was right around the collapse the Bronze Age collapse too so I would really like to know just what was going on in the world around that time and what that battle was like.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:08

That's gnarly, that's very gnarly. So you are into the pyramids too.

Thor: 45:15

Yeah, sure, I haven't done so much research on it, but we all want to know how those were built.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:21

Yeah, we do.

Thor: 45:22

What was exactly there?

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:24

Yeah, we definitely do do. Yeah, I tend to think that you're right about right all that. And I've heard of dogger land before. Uh, I don't know why I've heard of that before, because I don't really look, look into um, that kind of information, but it was in mythical or it was. It was 100 fact.

Thor: 45:40

Right, it was real yeah, yeah, yeah, it was not uh necessarily a country. There might have been some people there, but it's, you didn't still see it. Today, if the sea level drops I don't know what 20, 30 meters, it unearths like a whole, yeah, almost the size of the netherlands itself. Uh going, going from the netherlands over to, uh england. So uh, people lived there and it was a migration route too. I forget how long ago it was. It might have been, it might have been just after the last ice age.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:11

It might have been that long ago, I can't remember man, all the all the culture and just all the all the technology that you know we we had on this planet, that is underwater right now and just probably never to be seen or used again, is just mind-blowing, you know and what?

Thor: 46:27

what have they? Uh, uh, what's the? What's the percentage of the seafloor? They've, like uh, done discoveries on like less than three percent, something like that. So how much else could be down there?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:39

do you consider yourself a man of the sea? Do you like going out on boats and stuff like that?

Thor: 46:45

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, it sucks. This is the first time in my life I've lived away from the sea. I just moved to Denver, so I miss that a lot. But yeah, we'll get back to it. We'll get back to it, that's for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:59

It. Yeah, that's. Uh, we'll get back to it. We'll get back to it, that's for sure. It fucking tweaks me out, dude. I've only been on like cruise ships and then you know like little boats or canoes or whatever on lakes and stuff, but just not being able to see anything but water, what's underneath me, and fucking sea monsters and shit, it tweaks me out for some reason yeah, yeah, I like it.

Thor: 47:15

Yeah, have you always lived, uh live there in chicago or away from the coast? Yep, it's yeah. Have you always lived, uh live there in Chicago or away from the coast? Yep, it's a big.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:23

Lake. You can. You can feel like you're in the sea there, oh for sure. Waves too, for sure. So, being in Denver, uh, we just drove through the whole state, cause we're from Illinois. We drove to Vegas and back, and you go through the rockies, and I mean there's just so many places that are said to hold spiritual powers, whether it's from the natives or or the hopis. Is that something that you've looked into, or that you might plan to look into, since you're going to be in that area?

Thor: 47:53

yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, I go to these places. There's um like of the Gods. I really love Red Rocks. We had an amazing. There was like 15 people that came in, non-norse people, but Heilung was playing there. You probably know Heilung. They played there right on full moon, seegerblut, which is like the victory, the start of the summer, where they would do a sacrifice to victory, and that was an amazing experience.

Thor: 48:19

I felt like I was levitating there I was so that that's a sacred place there and that's like I go there sometimes and there's. There's other places too. Yeah, I don't think it's that much of an existing uh community here of the the native americans. Um, I know they're around, but I don't think it's so much of a. I think it's mostly the New Age, like white women who cut cultural appropriation stuff like that. But I think there's probably some good people around here too that are doing the legit stuff. So I'd love to do that, get in like sweat lodges and maybe even like other rituals they do.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:58

But I think you have to go a little bit more north for the, for the proper stuff, like Wyoming or Montana, I think one of our former guests, brooks Agnew, believes that there is a Nephilim currently living in Colorado Springs, so maybe you could check that out if you're ever bored one weekend.

Thor: 49:17

Yeah, I'll go there in a couple of weeks. I got a fight there, so that's an excuse to go.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:24

Nice, an MMA fight, kickboxing fight.

Thor: 49:26

Kickboxing Badass.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:28

When is that bro?

Thor: 49:30

The 22nd.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:32

Of this month.

Thor: 49:33

Yeah, yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:34

Badass.

Thor: 49:35

That's the first time I'm going to be in Colorado Springs Awesome bro, do you compete in MMA too? Yeah, that's what I'll be doing, maybe this summer See if we can get an MMA fight.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:48

Sick. I really think we should do some organizing of some Gleemar, some traditional wrestling, some badass shit like that. I don't know if you've seen. I have a wrestling promotion. It's called Wrestling Wars and it's it's some fun stuff. We do catch wrestling. We've done tag team catch wrestling. We do Irish collar and elbow. That's like the folk style of wrestling from Ireland that I'm helping try to revive. It died out a long time ago. There's the Scottish backhold, which is also like that's one of the norse ones right where you like you lock up the upper body, clinch and you can't let go. It's just trips and throws from there. So we've had matches under that. We've even just dabbled in uh, foam weapon sparring.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:27

That's like an overtime round like whoever hits each other in the head with the foam weapon and yeah, it would be pretty sweet. I'm gonna be in ireland and uk later this year and hopefully organize some good stuff for shit like that. Imagine it down the line, some sacred ground Glema tournament or something like that would be a sweet collaboration.

Thor: 50:45

Yeah, we'll stay in touch, see if that's good. That'll be a good idea. There's clubs around. I think there's one. I think the main club in the US is in South Carolina, north Carolina, something like that. There's some small clubs here and there, definitely Norway and Iceland. You'll find people there. They can help organize it, I'm sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:06

The Icelandic gleam is pretty cool too, where it's like the belt and pocket hold on that harness and they're spinning around. You said you've tried it.

Thor: 51:14

Yeah, yeah, I like it. I love that stuff. The lay take away the legs and I'm and I'm a good wrestler legs in there. I suck, but it's, it's cool. You see every, almost every culture in the world that did some wrestling, which is almost all of them. It was all upper body stuff. You don't see a lot of going for the legs until wrestling in the past few hundred years. Um, all these ancients and and tribal, uh, wrestling stuff. They would, uh, it's all upper body stuff, like holding, and it's because of weapons. It's battle training. If someone dives in at your legs, you can take a sword and like stab them right there, but if it's upper body, you have a little bit of control if he has a weapon. So it's, I like it. I think it's much more, much more natural, much more. Yeah, genetic memories are in there 100, 100.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:04

I've always gravitated more towards the upper body, clinching and throwing as well. Do you have any uh desire to do some of the night fighting in the armor with the blunt weapons? And because I know I definitely do yeah, yeah, yeah, sure that's.

Thor: 52:17

Uh, I got friends that do it here. We'll see. We'll see that's a lot more on the table. My training schedule is pretty busy so people always try and get me to come and train that stuff. It just takes too much time to get good at it because I don't want to go in and suck.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:33

For sure. It's a lot of money and gear and whatnot too.

Thor: 52:36

Yeah, lots of money too, yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:38

So you're mostly focused on striking right now too, but do you do any pure catch wrestling too, because I know you competed in the tournament.

Thor: 52:47

Yeah, yeah, I'll still. I do jujitsu twice a week and try and wrestle as much as I can, but yeah, mostly striking now.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:57

I like that there was actually, you know, people who were catch wrestlers at josh's tournament like that is not a thing basically anywhere else, and it does feel like you're doing something more. Uh, you know, storied and going back to like the black and white coal miner wrestling days of england and I love jiu jitsu too but there's a lot of things about the culture that I just can't stand. Like I said, catch wrestling seems much more like a man's pastime.

Thor: 53:24

I know what you mean.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:26

Maybe it's just the spirit of the old black and white mustache fucking tough man dudes too.

Thor: 53:32

Yeah, right, and it's cool that catch wrestling was a big thing in England. That's really where it's was done most If we go back a hundred years, but then there almost no people do wrestling in England these days. That's a two. I would like to see that come back.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:49

Dude, that's the snake pit. They're like the one remnant, like that's where I competed. That's the team I went with and it's kind of a life mission for me to go to Ireland and teach my lifetime of wrestling as well as try to bring back that folk style of wrestling the collar and elbow, and that's pretty much what I'm going to be doing later this year. What's?

Thor: 54:10

the collar and elbow.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:11

It's a jacket style. You can actually maybe kind of see it in the black and white picture behind me. They're wearing like a weird, like harness or something there. But yeah, so it's a short jacket. You hold the collar, you hold the elbow and neither guy can let go. It's just like the back hold. If you let go, you uh, it's the same as being taken down and then it's just trips and throws from a collar and elbow grip yeah, yeah, like that, like that, funny, funny.

Thor: 54:37

How many different rule sets they most people today. They know freestyle, folk style and greco-roman, but how many hundreds of different rule sets for wrestling are there throughout the world?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:48

dude so many and, uh, you'll like this. So I guess greco-roman is actually nothing to do with greece or rome, they just picked that name it was. It was made by a german guy that was living in france, so you could call it like Franco-German wrestling instead, the one that I was going to try and make up because, like I said, I run that league and some people didn't like the backhold grip one. I love it personally and other people did, but I was like what can we do then? People don't really like Greco that much either. What if you started with the back hold and you combine it with other styles of, like norris and celtic wrestling? We'll call it, uh, calto norris wrestling and make it like a hybrid upper body with trips, no leg grabbing, maybe add a little circle to push them out or a belt to grab or something.

Thor: 55:29

it's in the works yeah, yeah, awesome sounds good. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, if I come to chicago, I used to go there every year, um every, but I haven't been there for a while now.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:40

Well, if you ever are, that'd be sweet to meet up train and maybe I can lure you in with a brutal Norse-European-themed wrestling match one day if this event keeps growing.

Thor: 55:51

Yeah, yeah, perfect, that sounds good.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:54

Can I ask what do you do by trade?

Thor: 55:57

Well, now, for the past little over a year, I can do the YouTube full time. The YouTube doesn't make much money, but it's the online shop that helps the e-commerce, and that's what I've done. I've taken some freelance jobs now like marketing specialist.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:16

My master's is in business, that's what I went to school for, so I did sales and marketing jobs since then very cool and I saw, um, one of the things that it looked like, uh, that you, that you sell, is, uh, it's like a drinking horn. That thing looks so cool. Man, seriously, I don't even really drink, but I want one just to like hang on my wall. It looks so badass yeah, there's a few.

Thor: 56:39

there's a few different ones, they're all cool.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 56:42

I got to get on your level. I got my YouTube channel too. Any tips for a less than 1,000 subscriber channel to try and hit those numbers?

Thor: 56:50

I wouldn't even do it anymore. Youtube's not worth it. Even mine, the time I put in is not even worth it. It was great like it's the. The time I put in is not even worth it. It was great youtube's heyday from what like 2010 to 2020 one or two, I'd say and it was really easy to grow fast. It was easy to make some good money on it, but now it's like it's impossible. The tick tockification of the world is happening. People getting dumber, their attention spans getting lower. They don't, uh, yeah. So views have gone way down. They're watching the shorts and and youtube's payouts are less too. So it's not even yeah, I wouldn't. But if you want to be successful at it, do the shorts and just do something. Things that piss people off and get them fighting in the comments. But uh, yeah, I don't, uh, yeah, I don't want to do that. So, so I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:40

Yeah, I mean you pretty much just confirmed what I had thought. I don't want to have to spazzily post viral moments and stupid stuff like that all the time.

Thor: 57:50

Yeah, unfortunately, Unfortunately, that's where it is. We'll see though.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:55

People respect genuine stuff, though, and I think that's why your channel is awesome. You got great info. I've always loved it. I'm sure that other people will still see the value in it, even in a tiktok brained era.

Thor: 58:06

Yeah, yeah yeah, the loyal, loyal followers, definitely that's. That's a cool thing to have 170 000 subscribers now almost, but there's like maybe like 3 000 regular viewers that most videos will get, so that's all right do you get recognized for your channel often yeah, just uh, just like viking festival and stuff like that nothing not, not in the regular daily life oh yeah, anything else you want to promote or shout out or where people can find you, what you're working on no, they can.

Thor: 58:42

They can check out norse importscom, uh, if they like. That's my website. Um, it's lots of viking products and things like I'm going to be carrying swords and stuff too for people who like to fight, training swords, and um, yeah, we're we're starting a blog now too, and I want it to be like a a really uh good place for academic research as well and anything norse or germanic or northern european. So I'm gonna be creating a blog there that'll have all these academic articles on there, and anyone can uh can send one in too. If they're interested in writing uh for us, then that that's help at norseimportscom if they'd like to uh write, and we can, of course, give them a shout out and put links to their businesses or whatever badass.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:29

Any other listeners, be sure to check out thor's channel, his page, his products. Well, uh, we'll stay in touch, brother and uh should be out, should be out pretty soon and we'll send you the link. Tag you and everything yeah, you're promoting the show on instagram yeah, yeah, yeah, I can.

Thor: 59:44

I can send some people there too. Just send me the link and what's it? Was it on again? Is it on um? Are you, is it a apple podcast or was it spotify? I?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 59:53

think, yeah, it's not everything.

Thor: 59:54

And youtube youtube as well. Okay, good, good. What do you think's the best if I, if I, was starting a podcast? What do you think is the best platform? Is it, uh, to grow it and show it to new people?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:06

definitely. It looks like we get most of our views and downloads from, uh, spotify, and then apple is really really close behind it. Those are the one and two. Now spotify has this thing where they do spotify podcast now, where it's video as well. Um, since we have just kind of started with that whole thing, we haven't done that, but our audio, our full audio, is up there, but that's another avenue too. It's it's really growing, man, especially if you already got that audience. That's something you might want to, you know, think into doing, because you would crush it, bro.

Thor: 1:00:37

You're like you would be perfect for it yeah, well, I was always wondering, like, what it's like, because youtube it's so easy to just scroll right and you find new things. But uh, I I don't know if it's that easy on spotify, are people on there like uh, scrolling and and just clicking on some stuff and that's how most of them find you, or do they? Do they find you in other ways?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:57

I think, we get recommended, it'll pop up for you or something, okay, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:05

It helps having a decent artwork that actually it's just similar to having a nice thumbnail on a video. It draws people in.

Thor: 1:01:15

Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, think about it, that'd be cool. So let's have tips. We can speak again sometime, maybe 100% man. Are you going to go to the catch wrestling in August?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:01:25

I'm hoping, I'm really hoping. I've been kind of scrambling frantically because, as you know, grappling and martial arts doesn't always fucking pay the bills.

Thor: 1:01:33

And.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:01:33

I barely made it out to that tournament. I was super injured in that tournament too. Like made it out to that tournament. I was super injured in that tournament too, like my elbows still up and uh, I was effectively going with one arm that day and I'm supposed to compete again in england in september. I'm trying to do a tournament in ireland in october. Uh, you know, bilal muhammad he's fighting for the welterweight title.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:55

Yeah, so that's my friend I train with him a lot and uh that fight is in manchester, uh, at the end of july.

Thor: 1:02:02

So I was gonna maybe try and like weasel on the ufcs down or fly out to england oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they let you bring like five, six people with you from the team, exactly, so then I could be there watch the fight and then I'll already be in the region of the world I need to be in and that saves me like the biggest cost of all.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:21

So I may or may not already be like in Ireland and UK at that time, but otherwise I do plan on being there because that one's the national one. I'd love to come win that and hang out with Josh and whatnot. But, do you know the exact date for that? Are you planning on?

Thor: 1:02:35

doing it August 18th. I'll be in Norway then. So that's the. That's the big viking festival, so I'll be there then, so I'll miss that, but he usually will host one in december. I really like the one in december. Um, that's a good time. A lot of good guys come out for that and it's kind of end of the year. Can can, uh, compete and then, in good conscience, get drunk and party for the next two weeks.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:59

Hell yeah, it's awesome. Maybe, when you're at that festival, plant the seed of the wrestling in the future.

Thor: 1:03:07

Yeah, I'm gonna speak to them. I'll speak to them. See what they. See what they say cool brother.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:03:10

Well, thanks for doing it again. Enjoy the rest of your night yeah, yeah, I'll speak soon.

Thor: 1:03:15

Good to meet you both so if there's any audio issues.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:18

totally my fault, guys. I apologize. My interface kind of took a crap on me there. I was recording redundant, so everything should be okay, but in the event that the audio wasn't up to par, totally my fault. I apologize and I will do better next time. Thor surprised me because I didn't know that he lived in the States.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:03:41

Yeah, same. When I met him at the tournament I'd always thought that he lived in Norway. When I had seen him, you know, on his videos and stuff, I think at least partially he was. Or he said when we were talking that he would, you know, spend time between the two throughout his life. And I just happened to run in the other actual viking, josh barnett, and met him and went up to him and sure enough it was him and had a good conversation with him.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:10

I'm sure that's not the last time I'll see or talk to him so, yeah, I wanted to ask him how, how big he was, like, how tall are you? But I was having all those audio issues. So I I really kind of it how, how big he was, like, how tall are you? But I was having all those audio issues, so I I really kind of it kind of escaped my head because I was so worried about making sure a week, you know, I was getting it. So how big of a guy is he?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:04:29

I would say he's probably six, two or so and maybe six, three. Good size yeah, probably like a light heavyweight, maybe like, if he cuts super hard, probably get to like 205, 185, but I would say probably naturally 220, 230, maybe Big guy, middleweight, light, heavyweight-sized guy.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:52

Wow yeah, he looked like a big guy. He looked like a big old Viking-type dude For sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:04:58

Yeah, he's really knowledgeableosh is massive and I got to grapple with josh and yeah, that's a heavy ass dude who knows what he's doing for a lifetime at the highest fucking level.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:07

Oh yeah, yeah, grappled plenty of big dudes but usually never the skill and the size that that high level you know yeah, usually one or the other yeah yeah, that's got to be difficult dude, someone that big and and that's strong and talented what if you came across someone like that in the life or death battle? Back then like oh shit yeah, you gotta have your fucking long sword although some like in roman armies and other like polished.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05:35

You know, I guess soldiers more so than warriors, but even warriors too, and I guess you'd say what's the difference between a soldier and a warrior? I think a soldier is, like you know, like a drone in a, in a well-rehearsed army, and the warriors more like defending their shit, the rebel, their army, or, you know, they're defending their nation, and the other one's more of like an army or warriors, more just, like you know, savage, fighting in a way different spirit behind it, dude, completely.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:04

We have it so easy nowadays, dude, like, yeah, like we, I talk a lot about how it's a shitty place the world today, but we still doesn't mean we have it. We have it pretty fucking easy. Um, yeah, I liked how he talked a little bit about the vikings, kind of with vinland coming to america not really getting credit for it, because that's something that I have looked into a little bit and, uh, you know, the kensington runestone that he brought up, I knew about that. Uh, that's just something that, man, I've always been really interested in and I've even heard people make the argument that the Vikings got all the way to the Grand Canyon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:06:44

Yeah, I mean, why not? Who's to say where they could have stopped and if their boats could have sailed through a bunch of rivers and waterways and whatnot?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:52

Well, that's the thing. If they made it to Minnesota, why couldn't they make it another 700 miles, Like you know what I mean. If they made it that far, why are they stopping?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:05

I'm not a topography or geographical expert. I don't know what rivers or canals or whatever run that far, but for sure you could have made it through Canada to like the Great Lakes and shit.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:17

Yeah, no, that's the way they say that. They made it it through. They say that it's like all interconnected, you can go through like new york and having driven through the rockies recently it was a nightmare, with modern day machines and roads and shit I can't imagine when it was just nothing but raw terrain and woods dude, dude how do you?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:40

even know you're going, yeah I mean, yeah, well, yeah, how, first off, how the fuck do you know where you're going? And second off, dude, those mountains. Dude, like, there's nothing like it, like what a terrifying thought, just to be like. Just to wake up one day and you climb the highest mountain peak and all you could see, 360 degrees, is just mountain peak after mountain peak after mountain peak, dude, that's. It's like the movie alive. It was about the paraguay, the rugby team that crashed in the andes in the 70s and they ended up having to eat each other to live, to survive, until rescue. Um, but it reminds me of that because they were crashed in the top of the andes mountains and, um, a couple of guys made it out. But, dude, yeah, the.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:08:30

I guess that's just the will of the human being, the will to survive you know you can climb out with me in my uh ireland later this year might get that passport. I think I have family over there too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:42

I have, I know. I have family in england for sure, um, and I think I have family in ireland too. But yeah, it's funny because my grandmother comes from a little town in england called cockermouth.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:08:57

Funny, I know I know, it's a little fucking crazy little village town and I've never been there. It's in the Cumbria district and what's crazy is I was just looking at my DNA, since we talked about that a little bit with Thor Every now and then, I'll just kind of check it, because occasionally it changes, not that my DNA changes shit as their database gets more robust then they're able to kind of pinpoint things.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:22

So in ireland or scotland rather, I'm 25 scottish, 32 italian. Those are my two biggest ones. I'm from the dunphy and gal dunphy and galloway that's the area that my family's from in scot.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:38

So yeah if anybody's listening, I know we have at least one dedicated listener that is from Iershire I think it's pronounced because every episode I see boom, that dedicated person. So we appreciate you, we appreciate all you guys, but you in particular. Scotland, yeah, yeah, nice, yeah, who knows who it is, but we appreciate it guys shout out to them, yeah definitely you guys know the drill.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:07

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"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:42

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Thor: 1:10:57

Thank you, I'm out.