23 | Mike Davis | Overcoming Addiction, Conspiracies, and MMA Lore | "A Calculated Destruction of Society" | {{{SWAPCAST}}}

Our journey this week is a mosaic of personal stories and the pursuit of truth, both universal and intimate. We're joined by seasoned podcaster Mike Davis, "The MMA Detective", host of the Lytes Out podcast. He brings a wealth of experience from his show that examines a cross-section of MMA history and deep diving into the often seedy world of the early mixed martial arts days.

Navigating through the societal shifts and the role of influencers, Mike pulls from his law enforcement background to delve into discussions on criminal justice, addiction, and the impacts of drug trafficking on urban communities. He has honed several unique interview techniques that draw out the rawest of truths, some that evoke tears and others that uncover a fighter's unexpected connection to the Yakuza.

We take a candid look at politics seen as a theatrical spectacle, our skepticism of Elon Musk's space odyssey, and a deep dive into the world of psychedelics, suggesting their potential to unlock new dimensions and treat addiction. From Mike's connections with the "elves" of DMT trips to the transformative impact of psychedelics on his recovery journey, we explore the profound alongside the practical. We'll discuss the staggering realities of drug addiction in urban communities and the potential of government involvement in drug trafficking, all while sharing how our pursuit of understanding these mysteries has only deepened our gratitude for our supportive community and the transformative power of shared knowledge.

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Chapters

• 1:24 Our Guest Mike Davis the MMA Detective
• 4:31 Deep Dive Into Podcasting and Conspiracies
• 9:34 [Ad] The Latin Minute
• 10:19 (Cont.) Deep Dive Into Podcasting and Conspiracies
• 15:48 Changing Times and Societal Concerns
• 20:54 Discussion on Conspiracies and Psychedelics
• 25:46 Psychedelic Experiences, MMA History, and Corruption
• 39:20 Conspiracy Theories and Law Enforcement Experiences
• 47:33 Criminal Justice, Addiction, and Recovery
• 58:54 Urban Issues and Drug Trafficking
• 1:09:31 Exploring Beliefs in Nephilim and Psilocybin
• 1:16:56 Podcast Research and Personal Reflections
• 1:24:03 Future MMA & Wrestling Event Planning
• 1:30:59 Supporting Conspiracy and Chill Podcast

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:19

We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:26

Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 0:30

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show. It's obvious. The aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge. We're just one planet. They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that, and I mean the world with human beings in it skull and bones is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The bulldog ball I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party, at a point in uh. In the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24

We've got a veteran of the mma scene and podcasting a true deep diver, mike davis.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:30

Great to finally have you on here yeah, well, that's correct, man, I appreciate guys. Um, I actually uh took a little dive into your podcast and I enjoy it, man. Like, I really like the angle that you guys are going. It's uh, it's different than your standard conspiracy podcast. You guys are still finding your rhythm, but no, I, I really enjoy it. I actually I do listen. I'd love to review. I I 100 listen to your podcast we greatly appreciate it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:56

Yeah, thanks bro, yeah, yeah. So who do you? What do you guys upload to you guys? Like a lipsyn group, or do you guys do like?

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:01

buzzsprout. So many years ago, when I was first in the podcast game, I used Lipson. So I was strongly leaning towards Lipson, but then when I kind of did some research on it, it looked like Buzzsprout was going to be the way to go. So I went with Buzzsprout. That's me too yeah, me too.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 2:18

In fact, on Buzzsprout, the Lights Out podcast is you know the show that I do. It's a MMA history, adcc, mma history podcast and we're coming up on about 100,000 downloads. You know. We're just over 200 episodes there, wow, and I think we're at, I think we're at like almost a half million on YouTube, Maybe three quarters, maybe like 350, 400,000. But it's long form. It's like you guys, long form podcasts. You know how long have you been doing it? So Chris Lytle and I have always like been really good not really good friends. We've always been kind of like students of the game in regards to like history and getting real nerdy. And chris called me about two and a half years ago saying, hey, man, we had to do a podcast. Let's kind of cut our chops doing recaps like everybody else and then let's just get into the history stuff. So we've been doing deep dives now, geez, about two years, about a solid two years. Like we're at like 215 episodes, 216 episodes. And I say we, we really didn't find our groove until about the 50th or 60th episode.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:32

Okay, yeah, one thing that I I don't think that fans, listeners truly appreciate or understand about, not necessarily our podcast, but a podcast like how long does it take you to research for one episode? All right.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 3:49

So that's the key right there. So like we overprepare, and a little background on myself. I worked at the Cook County Sheriff's Department for 15 years. I currently do a little side gig for security to cover my insurance and I work for Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship. So like my side gigs for security, dude, I get paid, like right now, to research. I just find a spot, no one's ever going to bother me and I do just copious amounts of research and like I got a wife and family, it gets me out of the house, not distracted. But I don't have favorite TV shows. I uh don't watch movies, like I don't. I just I don't do any of that. All I do is research. So, per guest, 14 to 16 hours and we released one episode a week.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:36

I used to do two episodes a week but like uh it was, it was just way too hard.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 4:44

Yeah, I mean, it was like it's it's literally 14 to 16 hours one human being and it's message board, youtube comments, phone calls to contacts, uh, people that may have been there, that I've, you know, I got a pretty good Rolodex and it's just like calling those people and uh going through it and taking their time. So it's just like calling those people and going through it and taking their time. So it's like I would kind of put it like a stalker ex-girlfriend looking at, like where somebody that she truly loved at one point in her life where he's at today and she's got like unfettered access to social media. So that's where I'm at, dude, I'm like, I'm like a psychotic ex-chick dude On our research Ex-level deep dive, oh, dude, yeah, yeah, I mean. But you know what this is. What happens, though? We get a guest and in essence it's one guest per episode, but what takes place is you hit them with these little tiny details and then, all of a sudden, bigger things come out to where, like they would never have admitted it before, like, and because of my involvement in mixed martial arts, it gives me like a peek kind of behind the curtain, so I kind of know the answer before they give it, except you just kind of lead in with it like mark coleman, you know I, obviously you know he just he had his incident where he Like Mark Coleman, you know I, obviously you know he just had his incident where he rescued his parents.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 6:08

But if you listen to our Pride Grand Prix Mark Coleman episode, we start off John Jones. You know it's my. There's probably only a dozen interviews that exist with Mark Coleman, half of them are mine. We start out with John Jones. Him and John Jones almost fought at UFC 100 and Mark tagged him up at the open workouts at the UFC. So we started with that. Got him cool, calm, get him rolling. Talked about his entry into Pride Yep, I got paid $75,000 to drop a fight from the Yakuza. He had never admitted that before in any episode ever.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 6:45

Semmy Schiltz killed a sparring partner. Whoa, we get him. Yeah, we get him kind of rolling. Hey brother, what about this guy you know? And then we get I'd say about 35% of our guests usually end up crying Wow, yeah, but it's a police interview, you know. It's kind of like, hey man, flatter them with what you know, kind of lead them in. They do 70% of the talk and you do 30% of the talking and then you just kind of lead them to where you want and then, when they're comfortable or talking, you hit them with the questions that they may or may not answer. You know, and it's up to them whether they want to do it or not. And you know it's something I did for 15 years in law enforcement and it's just all I'm doing is I'm applying it to mixed martial arts and what takes place behind the scenes.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:36

That's a brilliant idea to apply what you were doing with the Sheriff's Department. That is such an amazing idea to take that and apply it to. And it shows, man. It shows because you guys are able to. You know the little things that you hit your guests with. If you didn't put the work in researching it, you wouldn't be able to hit them with those little things you know.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 7:56

No, well, here you guys are conspiracy guys. All of us are, we're all conspiracy guys, but we're all kind of like subject matter experts on certain things within it and like the issue that I had was the people doing these interviews didn't know what they were talking about, like I'd be yelling what about this and it would never get asked. And it was never going to get asked unless, like Chris Lytle and myself and a couple of the guys that help out, we got a guy that does time stamps, andrew. You know andrew mendoza. He's out in california. Joey venti sits in for a lot. I think he's sat in for lytle every episode this year because lytle's, you know, doing bkfc like six days a week. So you know just putting stuff out there. You know what about yourselves? Whatfc like six days a week, so you know it's just putting stuff out there. You know what about yourselves? What? What gave you guys? Your want to start this?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:50

Mike was a podcast in like six years ago or so. He had a show that I was a guest on a couple of times and that's how we met and became friends. And uh, the the first one was someone was looking for, or he was posting looking for, someone who wanted to talk about the reptilians conspiracy, and that that was one of my main ones for the longest time, and I was like, let's go All right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:12

And then, uh, yeah, we became friends since then and I know the show uh, lasted for a while, had a lot of really good episodes, probably went on it like three or four times and then, uh, we stayed friends ever since and probably about a shit not too long ago six, seven months ago we're reconnected, like mike hit me with the idea too, like, yeah, let's do it, let's make another one. What do you think?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 10:11

all right, but mike, mike, how did you guys come up with this angle for conspiracies?

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:16

well, the. The first thing was like once we're like, yeah, let's do it. It was like in I want to say october of last year and I didn't want to rush it, you know. So I was like, all right, let's, let's, let's, uh, let's, get like three recorded. Once we figure everything out, we'll release it all on, like, uh, the saturday, december 23rd. So I had that, like I had that the months between october and december 23rd to kind of figure you know the logo, what we're gonna go with libsyn. I did to all the little details, you know. But the first thing was to figure out the name. So once we had conspiracy and chill or like all right, cool, we can talk about the conspiracy stuff, but now we also have an and chill stuff, so we don't have to like tight, cast ourself into one category, you know. So that, open it up, it's brilliant.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 11:01

And dude, if you're not into conspiracies or any conspiracies, or not willing to talk about it, like, do you really have much in common with them? Like, really Like, do you really want to hang out with somebody that doesn't have a couple conspiracies that they're like way into? I?

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:19

wouldn't conspiracies that they're like way into. I wouldn't. I think people that don't like, people that think they don't believe in conspiracies, they, they just unwittingly do you know, they just don't realize they do you know that's what I was gonna say.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:31

We gotta take influence from you, mike, and find a way to dig these out of people and as if, as you've heard, we always try to do our best but we don't have the background in interrogation but gonna have.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 11:42

Well, I don't like mike is set across the uh the table from somebody uh interrogating I.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 11:49

I listened to that on a podcast yeah, but not on the right side, no no, but, but you know, you know what I mean and you know, mike, you've gone through the system, you've seen it. It's not pretty and you know the issue with it is like, once you're in it it's so freaking hard to get out of it. And, um, I had a fighter that fought for me. He got killed in a drive-by, I want to say six, seven years ago.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 12:20

And I remember, like a couple, couple of my CPD buddies are calling up hey man, saw you on the news. Are you really putting your name on that gangbanging shit bag? And I'm like man, I look him up, you know, go to work. I look him up, he's already dead. And I'm like this guy hasn't committed a crime in 10 years. Like, at what point does it fall off? You know what I mean. Like when do you like stop calling somebody that for something that they may have done? You know, like at some point, everybody, including society, he's got to get beyond a stupid error that somebody made in their life.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:55

I was just talking about this with my wife earlier today. I was like, you know, it's like, like was just talking about this with my wife earlier today I was like you know, it's like like, not just me, but yeah, felons are like you said. I haven't even had a speeding ticket in 10 years and I have a license. It's not like I don't drive, you know I drive every day but I've been a model citizen.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 13:10

But still, that shit will still come back to haunt me and it will forever, you know well, I tell you where your issue is, and it's something that I've seen like in more than one person, I think. When you enter into a situation, I think you just see it tell flat out dude, I got a friggin felony, it is what it is. Caught it X amount of years ago. I'm never gonna lose it. So when those job opportunities or promotions come up, they're already prepared for it. It's not something that surprises them mm-hmm.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 13:40

I mean, you got no problem talking about it no.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:43

I mean, you know, I mean it is what it is, you know, I mean I can't change it, shit, you know some would say it even helped you be who you are today oh, 100. Yeah, I think that a little bit of jail time would do everybody good, you know I'm not talking about like going to prison and doing hard time.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:59

But you know, maybe everybody would benefit from like 30 days in the county, because when you're stripped of all your privileges, man, you really appreciate the small shit when you get out, you know yeah, yeah, and it's like kind of like it's a wake-up call, like man it's.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 14:14

You know, we all, we're all involved in a mixed martial arts community which constantly gives back to, you know, the ADHD kids maybe not so good in school, and it's like well, here you're at a fork in the road, man, let's just take a peek. You know, let's just take a look at what's on the other side and and that you're right, I agree with that. Mandatory military or a little bit of jail time, you know, not a bad thing, not a bad thing in terms of learning, yeah, no, that's for sure, that's for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:41

I'm all for mandatory fist fight too, every match take a punch, take a beating in his life.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 14:50

You know, tom, I think we can all agree One of the most incredible things in life is getting punched in the face the first time. You learn so much Don't fuck with the linebacker, don't fuck with the wrestler. You know, it's like. It's such a good learning experience and to take that away, like in this kind of like nerf-coded world, to take that away that incredible experience, to me that's criminal.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:22

Yeah, I mean even just a couple generations couple generations, not even generations. Just like when I was young and I'd be, you know, at the skate park or whatever hanging out, I'd be terrified of the older kids, like I wouldn't want to fucking mouth off to anyone because I'm like dude, this guy's gonna beat the shit out of me like there's no. Yeah, I feel like that fear is completely gone from kids nowadays and just talking crap.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 15:40

Yeah, like the word influencer. It's like no, you're just an asshole holding a phone, you're not an influencer, you're a fucking asshole holding a phone and, like you know, like I've got a daughter, like I got a wife, and it's like one of these little fucking jerk-offs Like I, you know, you kind of go through like those little you know war scenes in your head which will never come true. It's a complete, total waste of fucking time thinking about it. I'm just like man, if some fucking jerk off did it to my daughter when I was there, I'd fuck him up. The whole influencer thing I'll never understand and it seems to be kind of more and more more popular, which, you know, just tells me I'm, I'm finally old, you know yeah, yeah, I'm that guy too, now it's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:27

It's fucking crazy, how it flips. You know, just one day you're, you're the fucking old guy, one day it's like god damn I don't feel like I'm the old guy, but I'm the old guy. Yeah, kids are so different today, dude, dude, it blows me away. I have two kids. It blows me away how different, like when we were coming up as two opposites. Now, and it's not even been that long. It's been you know what, 25, 30 years, but that's not that long and things have completely changed. Man, it's scary.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 16:54

Yeah, yeah, and you know, with like autism and stuff like that, they say, oh, we just kind of detect it faster. It's not the food or anything we put in the kids at a very young age. We swear it's just. You know, that's just a coincidence that we're not going to look into with no studies, okay. But you know, and it's like you know the like, when I was growing up, we had something called like leave no girl behind, because what was proposed was that girls were being left behind in the educational system and there's a documentary out about that movement. And they said, well, not only did they do a 180 on it, but they turned the car and ship around so hard that now all the boys are left behind and they're the ones struggling and it's only, uh, accelerating to benefit the girls.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 17:47

But I don't know, man, I don't know like I get in the weeds with some of this stuff and it's just like it's like a calculated destruction of society. It's, it's not like it's oh god, look what, just what just happened. It was just a freak accident. It was like no, no, no. You imploded floor by floor until you got to the basement. That's what you did. You said it yourself. Yeah, it starts with, like monetization of a single family household. Like, no, you added a value to take a parent out of the household. Like if you added a value to keep parents in a household. Like, maybe they don't like each other, maybe they're always arguing, but at least the kids got someone there to talk to. You know, my daughter's first male teacher was when she was in eighth grade. That's not right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:31

Maybe that's why so many dudes are saying they're women now, so they're not fine.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:36

you know, I mean yeah, we flipped it to include everybody. At this point, like the, the, the feminists should be the first ones jumping out to be like what the fuck? Now men are even taking over women's spaces and women's sports and women opportunities. It's hilarious and right before uh, we got you on here, mike and I were talking about how, just a long time ago, even as far as the 60s or if you go all the way back to like the vintage old-time wrestlers or fighters and stuff like, how much more just like testosterone and manly like they were before, fake food or the stuff that they're giving us and the Freaking chemtrails or whatsoever in the water and constant exposure to blue light, and it's just a drastic difference yeah.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 19:16

And, like you know, once you can only get conspiracy like yeah, and once you get on that conspiracy, that fucking never-ending trap door, you start listening to lyrics of music a little bit more close too and you're like wait a minute, they're in on it In the combat sports realm too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:33

I'm sure you've seen the Ryan Garcia stuff.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 19:39

You know, it's like they kind of present things in a joking manner, but it's like their way. From what I gather, they have to tell you in order to kind of not suffer the consequences for the after effects of their actions. So they tell you in a joking manner or just kind of like a crazy manner, to where you're like yeah, I don't believe that and I think that kind of falls into that category. You know, I don't know, like if I mean, if you don't think black magic rules this world, you know, I know you guys are Sam Tripoli fans, much like myself.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 20:09

I've heard some of the things you said, but you know, on your other podcast, but like highest realm of hell, lowest rung of heaven, probably where we're at, you know, and like because like lowest rung of heaven, probably where we're at, you know, and and like because, like, I started thinking that way, um, instead of just being devastated by something that didn't go my way, or upset, or angry, now I just look at no, no, no, this is a test, this is a test. Dude, I'm not fucking going off the rails on this. This is a freaking, freaking test. Fuck that. You know. Like no, no, you know, keep pushing forward. It is what it is. Yeah, I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:46

That mentality is definitely helpful and almost necessary after a point where you've gotten so deep with this type of stuff because it gets so dark and fucking gloomy, especially politics, like politics is pure theater.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 20:59

It's pure theater, like it is pure theater. It's pure theater, it's actual theater, it's actual theater. And people are talking like, well, there's this mask technology. If I know there's mask technology and you know there's mask technology and clearly it's being used oftentimes on TV. So that means, like the outraged politicians that are supposed to be on the other side, that are, you know, so angry and mean, and you know that means they know too, but they're not saying it, they're playing, you know so yeah, they're all in on it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 21:34

It's fucking pro wrestling dude. It's like all these fucking Trump people. It's he's on the same side as them. He never got rid of fauci, gave gates like nine billion dollars.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:46

He's in on it, he's one of them can I ask you what do you think about kennedy?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 21:52

let's start with elon musk. Okay, okay that you just said, okay, that much in outer space would kill you. Like the atmosphere in outer space is so volatile, a tiny little like inkling of air in your lungs from up there or you know, whatever matters, up there you die. We haven't been to the moon ever, ever. And now he's going to go.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 22:17

Hey guys, we're going to go to Mars and you're going to give me more government money, you know, for my company than any anyone else in the entire world. And you know, nasa that gets 51 billion or 51 million dollars a day. I'm so much smarter than with my company that they're going to have to outsource their needs to me. It's a fucking scam. Like, mars is over a million miles away. We haven't even been to the moon. Like, really, like that's the guy you're backing. Oh, he's just so good with free speech. Man, are you fucking retarded? Sorry, no, that's awesome, that's where I'm at. Awesome, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. Like, sorry, dude, I'm. You know logic. Do you guys really think elon musk is here to save anybody?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:06

no, he's the guy who wants to put fucking chips in everyone's brains. He's gonna yeah, yeah he's a.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:13

He's a weird one. I don't think he's deaf. I don't think he's here to help us. I don't. I don't know what the fuck. He's a weird one, man. He's so hard to read.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 23:22

It's as easy. There's entities that are trapped here and they're not allowed to leave. They walk the earth for hundreds of thousands of years. That's according to the Bible. Let's just pretend that that exists. Where are those people? Okay, do that? Do you think they're hanging drywall? You think they're committing felonies with you, mike? Hey Tom. Do you think, tom, do you think their kids are in your little, your little kids program over there, or are they in the largest, wealthiest areas in the entire?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 23:57

world Of course they're already there. So it's like they've had. They've had hundreds of thousands of years to position themselves. So it's like pretty easy to kind of figure out, like if you believe that you know where they're at. It's fucking simple.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:12

It's always been very clear to me, whether I thought they were, you know, like I said before, the Reptoids or demons or fallen angels like there's very clearly something operating against the greater good of humanity, whatever you want to label it or call it, and those who can't see it just honestly don't want to see it because it flips their world upside down I'll tell you what you guys all right, so I'm.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 24:32

So I got sober at like a really early age, when I was 18. So alcoholism runs in my family. I'm from from my Irish ancestors or Irish rebel blood, from Inishbuffin, little Ireland, off the coast of the mainland. Our family owns the only hotel on that Island. So, like um, I will tell you that I waited 25 years of sobriety before I tried DMT. And DMT, they tell you it's like a hallucinogen Dude. It's not. It's like you take a nail and put it in between two magnets and what the nail does is it finds its center point in between the two and what it does is it allows you into a different dimension, or at least a view into it, where there's lots and lots of information. I think everybody should do mushrooms like a heavy dose of mushrooms at least one time in their life. And DMT it should be mandatory. Everybody should do it. The world would be a better place if more people ate mushrooms.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:33

I concur, I love mushrooms. Never done DMT, always wanted to. I love hearing people explain it. I love hearing your explanation of it. Tom's explained it to me, his feeling of it, and it's something I absolutely want to do, because everybody says the same things. Like you said. It's like a door into a different dimension. Did you see the elves that everybody talks about?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 25:53

Yes, yes, yes, I did. And here I'm gonna give everybody like a little this is what you do. I'm gonna give everybody like a little, this is this is what you do. I'm gonna give you like a cheat code. So april 8th is coming up, the big eclipse, right. If you're not out of your mind on mushrooms or emt right around that time, you have really up big time interesting why you say that well, I mean, it's what the Indians did.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 26:22

When people look at the Indians like Peyote, what was that movie with Mel Gibson where they're pretty much running?

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:31

through the jungle the entire time. The Patriot no the jungle.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 26:34

No, no, no, apocalypto, apocalypto. What it is is you've got these people that have these amazing pyramids, so advanced with the stars, and then they're up on the pyramids doing like human sacrifice. You're like, wow, they're fucking savages, which you know. I mean you. You put me next door to somebody that's murdering children. I'm probably going to take up arms and be angry with them and I know like this new generation might not want to hear that, but you know, when 9-1-1 doesn't exist and your neighbor's killing kids, I'm probably gonna get it. I mean, I'm just saying you know my point of view. You know I'm pretty sensitive with kids and it's like, well, what the fuck? How are these guys that are so brilliant in one aspect so savage in a different like component? And it's dude, it's fucking black magic dude, like a anything with the stars. You should absolutely, whenever there's something big, you should be eating mushrooms or doing dmt right around that time.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 27:33

And the information you get. Like when I did dmt 25 years ago um, now, I mean when I was 25 years sober it gave me two pieces of information, one of which was do an mma history podcast and and literally chris latto called me within like three days pitching it to me, yeah, yeah. So I don't know like I like I went to, uh, serpent mount in ohio. Uh, you guys, listen to rogan, obviously you've heard like there was, you've heard like a podcast that he's done, he's done a few of them on it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 28:04

And I, middle of the night, snuck in there with my buddy, dale Bennett From Green Bay, wisconsin. He blasted me off with DMT and I met the Be a fucking right Under a full moon. And, dude, I'll tell you what I met the snake and it put eggs in my chest. Dinosaur would be a fucking right under a full moon, oh my God, under a full moon. And, dude, I'll tell you what I met the snake and it put eggs in my chest. It put eggs in my chest and it told me let it incubate, let them heal their gifts or let them hatch on their own their gifts, but if you come back here, motherfuckers will take it, just so you know that. So I haven't been back since then, wow what did it look like?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:44

did it look like, uh, the feathered serpent?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 28:46

it was like a black and white female snake with eyelashes wrapped itself around me. It was fucking beautiful dude. It was incredible. I also went to uh, I went to cahokia, where the mud mounds are, and I blasted off there, but I couldn't. I had a malfunction in the device and I couldn't get there, but I was on that precipice of going there. That shit was fucking scary. Yeah, I highly suggest, go to these Indian mounds, these sacred lands, and go and blast off. If you're gonna have that experience, don't be a, do it great advice.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:26

Yeah, I was gonna say when I was in ireland uh didn't have the psychedelic help, just a little bit of a thc pin at a point, but when I was visiting some of those sites the energy there was insane. So I can't imagine if I would have, uh, if I would have blasted off or something there, what I would have seen yeah, no, mike, you're gonna do it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 29:45

Mike, if you're gonna do it. The thing is it doesn't give you what you want. It'll never give you what you want.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:51

It gives you what you need, and that's a lot different than what you want sometimes I want to do it, I desperately want to do it, but I want to have someone like tom or someone with me while I do it. I just don't want to be at home with my wife and kids I know I'd be fine, but I just would rather you know um. Are you local? Are you a local guy? Yeah, I'm in plano illinois, okay not too far like naperville. I'm close to naperville. No, I know where you're at, but yeah you're still around the area.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 30:19

Yeah, dude, I mean I'm on the South Side. I'm a fucking South Side scumbag dude, south Side Irish scumbag. You know always will be. You know they'll never leave me. I'm hoping to leave for Tampa in a few years as my daughter graduates. But you know, I mean, tom, I know you're a South Side guy as well, you know it just doesn't leave you, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:37

No way With BKFC. I know you used to do a lot of the MMA promoting around here. What do you do for the Bare Knuckle right now?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 30:47

So I still do promotions. Ignite Fights is mine and Jeremy Bjornberg's organization. I started with Cutthroat MMA. Sold that business to a guy named Viet Nguyen he just got out of prison. Sold that business to a guy named Viet Nguyen he just got out of prison. He did like eight years in jail for like embezzling, all types of like really shitty money crimes. Uh, got me for like six figures. It was kind of a wash. You know, usually like when you sell a business you make money on it. But what he got me for it was like kind of a wash. But like I got eight years of his life.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 31:18

Um, started a new company yeah, united Combat League, and sold that to B2, a publicly traded company. They just went under about I don't want to say about a year ago and I had a non-compete after I left there. So I work with Ignite Fights. I mean it's not like that, it's in effect anymore. But Ignite Fights is Jeremy Bjornberg. He's the secondary matchmaker for the LFA and I work for BKFC doing marketing for them. I've also landed. I got some pretty good kills with sponsors as well and I travel with them, do the day-to-day I help with the operations, day of, with shows, street team. Anything marketing-wise with BKFC is I got my hand in it somewhere.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:05

That's. They are definitely on the rise.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 32:08

Dude. You know, man, we haven't got our funding yet and I think it's right around the corner. At our last event in Miami not this last one, the one prior we had a group from South Africa there, a group from Korea S one prior we had a group from South Africa there, a group from Korea, saki Kibara, the guy from Pride, the guy that fucking started Pride. He was there. Lubo Gedjev, a guy I used to work for Bodog Fight way back in the day, and I brought him on board. He's got an event this weekend. I think their pre-sale right now is about 6 000 tickets. They'll probably get 7 500. Come. Come fight time. Which? That? That's a dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:46

7 500 people, that's a friggin big event I think it's funny how things come full circle and we're going all the way back to the old days of boxing with the, the bare knuckle and this thing I'm trying to do with the irish collar and elbow and the catch wrestling things always recirculating like that. And you touched on pride there. I know we were talking about getting into some Yakuza and Japanese and Dutch MMA scene and stuff and you, being the insider and deep diver that you are, where do we start with that?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 33:16

With just some of the corruption and conspiracy within MMA.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 33:19

All right with just some of the corruption and conspiracy within MMA, all right. So if I can give you guys advice on a podcast and learn from my mistakes, I'm obsessed with the Dutch scene. So imagine you guys got a coffee house on Western Avenue, we'll go Blue Island, we'll go Old Western Avenue and then you go. Man, I could probably sell cocaine here. It's illegal, but I kind of know everybody. So then, like you put a bodyguard on the street and you start selling cocaine out of there and the government and the police are too afraid to shut you down and then all of a sudden after a while they go all right, well, we can't stop this. We might as well accept it, pass some laws and kind of, you know, let other people sell cocaine and marijuana. You know it started with marijuana, but I use cocaine as an example because marijuana is legal today here in the Chicagoland area and that was the Dutch scene.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 34:14

So, like the Dutch scene I have what I do is I get like these Dutchutch mixed martial artists on, bring them along, get them feeling good holy fuck, this guy did research. And then I start dropping, like mafia guys names and then they go. Yeah, no, no, I, you know I, I really did know him and then I'll bring up like a particular incident that happened at the gym while they were there. You know whether a guy got blew up in a fucking car or they were like taking arms off of another guy in the back, and it's just like even today they're like no, no, I don't know, I just I don't know anything about that. It's fucking crazy. Like when most of the people from the Dutch scene are dead already that were involved with that.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 34:58

So Dirty Bob Schreiber, who is the absolute filthiest mixed martial artist. I watch any of his fights. There'll be several fouls and like you'll see him, like on videos of youtube, coming out of the dressing room. His eyes are like headlights. So you know he just did a line of something and this is a guy that like no call no, showed a few fights in the early part of his career because he got in street fights on the way to his mixed martial art bout. So like he was like the head bouncer at bulldog uh hash house and all of his friends are dead and he's still alive, like gerard gurdue.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 35:42

He's in hiding, dude, it took me two years to find gerard gurdue gerard gurdue, but let's say I? I can go on tangents about these dutch guys. The end the thing is, I've interviewed probably about eight of them. I've gotten very little in regards to information other than holy fuck, you know what you're talking about. No, no, I can't. I can't comment on that. But man, these are really good questions. Nope, I'm not gonna answer that. Do you know how many dutch people have stuck around and listen to my podcast? Two stay away from dutch conspiracies is what I'm trying to tell you I would have never even thought that I didn't even know they had a mafia.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 36:21

Yeah, like here, like Gerard Gardeau goes to Japan. Well, one, he's the first UFC fight ever, you know, against Taylor Tooley, and you know what they don't tell you is at the pre-fight meeting and in between fights he's smoking cigarettes. So like he's fucking smoking cigarettes at the fighter meeting, smoking cigarettes in between fights on the way to the ring, and he's like a money collector. So I got Gerard Gourdeau's interview, probably about four months ago. It took me two years and I had to pay three really strange people that I did not think would ever return anything and I actually got them. So in his second fight, yuki nakai he blinded him right, blinded him, used bragged yeah, I gotta. I got to my second knuckle on my thumb, oh, inside his eye. But what they don't tell you is that yuki nakai used to.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 37:18

Next time Gerard Gardeau went to Japan, yuki Nakai was a chauffeur and Yuki Nakai if you look at Yuki Nakai's tattoos, he is 100% Yakuza. So in our interview with Gardeau I said, okay, you know, we got him rolling, he knows, I know what I'm talking about. And he's in hiding, like he's actually in hiding right now. And I just said to him I go okay, well, was there any fallout from that and there was just like a pause. Yes, yes, there was. You want to open up on it? No, but later on in the interview I had a feeling this was it. I said you had a pro wrestling match. One of the matches got real and you were in the corner of the guy that was beating the shit, like in one of those japan wrestlers, and you guys called out the head Japanese guy you know the other pro wrestling guy and he was so furious. He came to the ring and you knocked him out and he's just like yeah, brother, I knocked him out, ran through the ring, I mapped it out, I got through a window in one of the hallways and they fucking caught me right before I got to the airport. And he's just like I was with them for a few days. He got tortured. He 100 percent got tortured. Yeah, I think that was his penance for blinding Yuki Nakai. So, like in the interviews that I do, I try to give him the question. I think I know the answer. I'm not sure. I think I know the answer. I'd wait for him to finish, get him comfortable again and then kind of hit him with the incident where I think the outcome may have been and kind of let my listener piece the things together. So, yeah, it's good. It's good shit, dude.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 39:12

So Japan versus like the Dutch everybody talks about, like the Japan mafia, like they kidnapped Fedor's manager, you know, like the fake fights we started with Mark Coleman talking about you know getting paid to drop a fight. Obviously they happened Like Instant NUA. He'd be a really good guest for you guys. He's got Yakuza tattoos on him. Talks about here's my contract. It says we don't test for steroids.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 39:36

And as crazy as the Japan scene may have been, the Dutch scene is less documented but so much crazier, like it's unbelievable, just how batshit crazy that Dutch scene was. Just like car bombings and and disembodied men. And like the owner of golden glory gym was operating the glory kickbox in K1 and his gym for the last two years of his life from his prison cell. Talk about these kids. That's a different generation. So I try to capture that stuff. I try to grab that stuff Like you guys do with the conspiracy and chill. You get somebody that's quasi-famous, whether it's mixed martial artists or some of the other conspiracy theorists you guys have on and you guys just chill out, get to know them and then hit their conspiracy. It's just a different angle. It's a good angle.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:32

Well, thank you even though we've kind of been uh, going off on some general conspiracies. Right now, this is where we're gonna hit you with some. Go ahead, mike, give them, give them some of our classics well, uh, let's start with an easy one.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:43

Are you a flat earther? Do you believe the earth is flat?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 40:46

all right. So you're talking about like the hibbler documentary, because all the other documentaries are bullshit. Like you got to watch Hibbler, right, we can agree on that.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 40:54

Right so if you watch the Hibbler documentary, he doesn't necessarily prove that the Earth is flat. He proves that, one, nasa is full of shit and they're like lying. But two, maybe the Earth isn't flat, but it's about eight times bigger than what NASA's numbers are. So am I a flat earther per se, like if you give me flat earther or round earther, I'm definitely going flat Earth like without question. But my belief is is that, like there's an ice wall, there's something over there that we're not being allowed, like General Flynn I think General Flynn was telling the truth. You can see those videos on YouTube. Still, I think the earth is not the shape that we're being told it is and I believe in a firmament. I don't believe in a Van Allen belt.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:40

I believe in a firmament? Yes, I think I'm right there with you. How about any paranormal or unexplainable things you've had?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 41:46

Yeah, like here I don't believe in UFOs, I think those are. I believe in different dimensions. Here, I don't believe in UFOs, I think they're, I think those are. I believe in different dimensions, but I don't believe in UFOs. I think, like, ufos are like demons, kind of like government. It's like our fucking government plotting against us like this what's that Elon Musk fucking satellite system? You know that they're flying over, yeah, yeah, you mean the big, the big projection system that you uses, our fucking blue beam government weapons against its own people.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 42:14

You know when that shit goes. I mean, that's how fucked up I am in my head. But yeah, when I was little, my brother and I we had an encounter with maybe an angel, an entity from a different dimension. Yes, we talked. It was one of the most loving, beautiful women, and my brother and I still talk about it today. Yes, so yes to answer your question. Yes, Wow.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:38

You're going to have to elaborate on that story.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 42:40

It's just she came in the middle of the night, dude talked. She gave him more attention than me. I was really jealous about it and, you know, gave us love, love, love, love and then disappeared. Dude, yeah, but my brother and I like no dude. He and I will not come off of that not being real.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:58

Yeah yeah, yeah, the fact that it's a shared experience, that's pretty crazy yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, unless you were smoking dmt at a super young age. Yeah, those oreo cookies right this is one of my uh pet or not pet peeves, but one of my kind of personal favorites is uh, I, I go down rabbit holes constantly. It's not like a crazy one, but the jfk obviously. You probably don't think oswald was the lone gunman, but do you have any theories or have you ever looked into that?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 43:31

I mean, I think our government did it. You know how they did it. Maybe the driver turned around and blew his fucking head off. I don't know. You know, I know, I know. I tell you what I know George Bush was involved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:43

Yeah, he was there.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 43:44

Yeah, he was ahead of fucking. He was ahead of security. Yeah, not only was he there, like he was also the vice president. When can you imagine like you two working with each other and then tom puts a hit out on you, mike, and then it's like you still got to go to work the next day? And you know, man, fucking tom had that car shot up with me in it. What the fuck I mean?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:04

that's essentially what happened with reagan and bush that is wild and then a unique one that we haven't been able to ask our guests yet. So, with your time in law enforcement and you know working around some crazy situations, are there any that stand out that you could speak on, which just sound unbelievable?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 44:23

or just crazy.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:24

Conspiracies surrounding that line of work.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 44:28

Yeah, I've met at least maybe four, five, I I don't know. I know it's definitely more than three, three, four or five people that took sleep medication and I had to explain to them, you know when, like the next day, that they murdered their significant other, and they would be like wait a minute, you know so-and-so, I killed them and they'd be like I took whatever prescribed medication from the doctor to help them sleep and that's all they remembered. Yeah, dude, dude, yeah. And then, like there was another time I think it was like my first two weeks working there, where it was in 2005, a kid in Naperville went to prom downtown with his you know all of his buddies and came to me confused. I was in the medical area and he's like you know, man, these people, and he was like he was maybe a Latino kid, but he was like not a lot of miles on him, you know, like somebody that's kind of like really green with life and he's like you know, officer, I gotta talk to you, I gotta talk to you and you know, at that point to you, I gotta talk to you and you know, at that point you're just like you're doing like the shut the fuck up, go back on the tier because it's like an open tier game. And, uh, he was like no, no, no, they're telling me that I killed my friends. What happened? And it was just like, yeah, bro, everyone in the car with you died except you. And it was just like you see people, just like you know, you see that rock bottom and you don't. You don't ever forget that Like either.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 46:19

One thing I learned is it's okay to deliver bad news. In fact, I almost prefer to be the person to deliver bad news because you got to do it to where you allow the human being receiving it to have their dignity, you know, to have their dignity. And, um, you know, close the door, give them privacy, but they gotta know the truth and it's, it's better, like I I enjoyed isn't the right word, you know, because that's it's. You know I really like giving people bad news. Like isn't the right word, you know I really like giving people bad news Like isn't you know something that I feel comfortable saying. But I did like the fact that, like, if bad news was to be given that I would do it in a way to where they, at least you know, had a private room. They could cry here's a phone call somebody. But yeah, dude, here's a situation, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:13

Yeah, call somebody, but yeah, dude, here's a situation you know, yeah, I learned a lot.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 47:15

I learned a lot from that was he drinking and crashed the car, or did he? Yeah you blackout drunk. That's yeah, blackout drunk, get it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:19

Yeah, hit a tree yeah, something that I want to ask you to kind of stay in that same realm. My mom, she is a nurse and would work a lot at night and she swears that she could always tell there's a full moon because of the people that come in. She says there's something about a full moon that brings out crazy people, like she could. Yeah, she says like strange, like strange cases come in and she'll always know, bet you, it's a full moon and she'll go out there and be like yep. So I was just wondering if maybe there was an uptick of crazies.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 47:53

Yeah, and you know how nobody gets punished anymore. So my last year there I was at the jail for the overwhelming majority of my career and I really liked working there. I was a gang crimes guy. I was on TV for like three years on msnbc, a show called the squeeze. I speak fluent spanish and you know my caseload was always very unique, so I was one of the officers featured on it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 48:22

And I remember, like the last week there I get a frequent flyer coming in and he's just like hey, what's up, dude? And he's like man, he said something like gun, like really, like left the center, and I'm like what the fuck? You know what I mean. Like did you have a bad day at court? And he's just like man, it's like a 500 bond and I'm like man, that ain't bad. He's like man, fuck out of here. He's like this is what's gonna happen. This is my third gun offense. My people are gonna come up here, pay 500, they're gonna keep that shit and they're gonna walk me the fuck back in here. And he was like oh, fucking mad.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 48:59

So I see the guy like two weeks later, you know, and I'm like dude, what's, what's going on? I go, you gonna pay that bond. Man, god man, I ain't gonna bite on that. I can't bite on this. I know there, it's a fucking trick, it's a fucking trick.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 49:13

And then I remember seeing, like a couple of days later, he's like man, I'm gonna give it a shot. Fuck it, man, my cousin just got his taxes back. He's gonna throw 500 at this. We're just gonna see if it works. And I remember, like when he got out, he's just like I can't believe they're letting me out of here. You know what I mean. So when people talk about criminal justice reform, talk to the people that are getting left out on a personal manner and they'll be like yeah, dude, this ain't right, this ain't right. There's people from the suburbs screaming about police reform 100% I agree with them. But to remove police from, like, the bad areas the people making that decision have never talked to a single human being ever from the areas that they're talking about, because the hardened gangbangers will be like oh no, the police goes places of civil war. Fuck, no, fuck, no. Yeah, it's just it's. It's a calculated like self-destruction of society.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:15

Man, it's, that's what it seems to be yeah, they want us to live in a escape from new york.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 50:21

No, they want us to fight with each other. So we, you know we ignore what they got going on.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:25

That's what they want it works pretty well, man it works.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:29

It works. Order through chaos.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 50:31

Yeah yeah, so, mike, you never addressed what you got locked up for.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:35

Oh, I didn't. I never talked about it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 50:38

Maybe it was the episode I didn't listen to.

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:41

I've been locked up quite a few times, but I have two felony convictions. I was a heroin addict for 15 years no shit. Yeah've been sober for 10 over 10 now. And did you go to the program?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 51:01

no, I, I tried it, but you're talking about a yeah, no, it wasn't for me um okay, but so you never had a sponsor or anything like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:07

I did, I did, I tried working them and I, I did it, but, um, it just wasn't for me. There were some rooms that I really, I really liked, some rooms that I went to, and there was others. I didn't okay, I know the book well, though you know, I still have a copy of it and I think it's a fucking valuable resource. Dude, I think there's so much good information in there. It's just you know I just don't think it was for me oh, wait, wait, wait.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 51:29

Real side note, bill W, the guy that wrote the Alcoholics Anonymous book. Are you aware that he was kicked out of AA?

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:37

I think I might have heard that, but I might be making that up too. I don't know. Do you know why?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 51:42

he was kicked out of AA. No, because he, like you, know that last staff where it says like a spiritual enlightenment.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 51:49

Mm-hmm last step, where it's like a spiritual enlightenment. He wanted to say a psychedelic mushroom experience, really, and he wouldn't, he would not come off of it, and his argument was I tried to kill myself in the woods and I ate mushrooms and this is what I came back with. You know, all of the steps, all of like the you know just kind of the hierarchy of AA, come from a mushroom trip. That's amazing. They threw them out. So what they did was they settled on spiritual enlightenment. But what he meant was work. All of the steps, get through it. And I agree with him, like I do those steps, they're invaluable. All of the steps, get through it. And and I agree with him like I do those steps, they're invaluable.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 52:34

Go through the steps and go through with a set of fucking balls. You know, I mean go through with a set of balls and really look at yourself. And then a dude took me 25 years. I had my mushroom experience, awesome, yeah, my mushroom bmt experience. Yep, dude, that's so good dude. So, all right, heroin addict yeah, what was it wait, wait, wait.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 52:56

So, tom, this is the question with all heroin addicts that podcasters never ask who introduced you to?

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:04

it. Um, a buddy of mine, a buddy of mine, okay, but this, okay. This was the thing, though it's like when I was growing up, I was anti-drug. I was like, very anti-drug. I thought even if you smoked weed you were a fucking pussy, but I always said but I always said all my idols always liked heroin.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:22

I always said, hey, if I ever had a chance, I would try this one drug. And um, putting that aside many years later, um, it was like a perfect confluence of events. I was with the girl I thought I'd be with for the rest of my life. We had broken up. My parents were in a different country, I had the house to myself. A buddy that lived like the block over came over and he was fucked up. And I'm like dude, what's up? You know, give me some, what are you on? And he's like no, I can't, because then I'll be sick tomorrow. I'm like what the fuck do you mean? You'll be sick tomorrow. I'll take you to get more. I didn't understand. So he's like okay. And then he poured like a half of a $10 bag out and I snorted it and, boy, it was off to the races.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 54:12

Of course I became, they became an iv user. But uh, oh, my god, oh, yeah, all right. So, tom tom, here's the thing. When I would get these heroin addicts at cook county, yeah, I'd go through their pictures with them, we'd take a look through it, through memory lane, all of their rest, and they would always tell me like, what a good person they were. Like the heroin addict always would talk about what a good person they were. And then I would say, okay, well, what about the person introduced you to it? How did they affect your life? And they would say, fucking horrible what they did to me. They ruined my life. And then I'd go, okay, how many people did you introduce to it? And they would just look at me and they'd go, fuck, maybe I'm not a good guy. Yeah, did you?

"$awbuck" Mike: 54:49

I don't want to ask that question, oh I do I think about it all the time, man, I think about, uh, you know, that ex-girlfriend I thought I was gonna be with forever. She's dead. And uh, yeah, I introduced her.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 55:00

Yeah, that's such a hard question? It's such a hard question, but you know what, man, if people don't talk about it, I mean, you can't learn from something you don't know about. Like to me, that's a conversation that everyone needs to have.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:14

Yeah, no doubt. And kind of going back real quick to the steps. Like I apply a lot of them in my life daily, like whenever I'm wrong, dude, fucking Tom could attest. When I'm wrong, dude, I like, I admit it promptly. I promptly admit my mistake, dude, you have to Like. That to me is the most valuable thing I got out of the entire program is like when I'm wrong, dude, which is fucking often, there's nothing wrong with saying I'm fucking wrong. I think there's more power in that than not addressing it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:43

But ultimately I was locked up in Cook County several times too. Thank God, the longest stint there was only like 13 days. I was dope sick in cook county. It sucked. Yeah, they give you a little pack of like fucking, um, um, like the stuff, the little pill for your stomach, and then you shit yourself but um, so I what my charges were? The first one that I got charged with was a possession, simple possession of heroin. But I got 410 probation, which is like it's expungable probation for first-time offenders. That was my first charge. Completed that, and then in 2014, I had a friend who set me up and I ended up selling. They got me at a delivery because I sold heroin to an undercover cop three times.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 56:30

It was a girl cop.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:32

Yeah, I'm fucking dumb dude. Like I knew she was a cop, like I fucking knew it. Yeah, dude, fucking I knew it and I did it anyway, you know. And then the third time. So we were in a McDonald's parking lot right by where I used to live and I sold it to her. I get back in my car and my car and all of a sudden there's this minivan cruising up in front of me and then the door swings open and then they fucking come running out and they bump my car and they're like remember us Strauss Dumeg, which is the DuPage County Metropolitan Drug Task Force unit. And then, yeah, dude, I fucking sat in county fighting the case for like over nine months because my bond was 10,000 and they weren't budging, because that was like when everybody was dropping dead from heroin. So they weren't budging on me and they wanted to give me 10 years, bro. Thank God, I was able to get task probation for three years and I finished it successfully. And so, 2014, when I got locked up. I've been clean ever since then and I've been off papers ever since 2017. That's fucking awesome.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:30

Do you drink? No, never was really a big drinker, dude. Like I love drugs. You know, I smoke, I still smoke pot. I really don't consider that a drug, but yeah, like, yeah, I just I just smoke pot. I love mushrooms. I definitely enjoy mushrooms and psychedelics.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:46

But, yeah, that's it, man. It's like I don't even it's weird, man, like I think it's like there's things now like simple things, like just like simple things, like going out late and being downtown, like not downtown like chicago, but like downtown in my city maybe, like just like walking around late at night, like even that might scare me, and it's like I think of the things I used to fucking do.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:08

I don't mean like scared for my life, but just like I don't know like there's certain things now that I think that I did and I'm like how the fuck, dude like, dude like crazy.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 58:17

Yeah, you're normal.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:19

Right.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 58:19

Yeah, tom, like the thing with addiction, like that conversation that you just said, it's it's very rarely had other than behind closed doors and it's an incredibly important one to have, especially like in a public forum, and like everyone's normal is so different when it comes to addiction. I remember driving home from like Chicago midday I had a buddy from like minnesota in with in my car with me. I had to pull off the highway because it was bumper to bumper. We're taking halsted down. We're going through anglewood and it's like 9, 30 am and we see this little kid like 13, 14 years old, just dressing down, a crackhead, just like reading him the riot act. And my buddy's just like, oh my God, look at that kid yelling at the crackhead. And I'm like dude, that crackhead beat that kid out of his product and that fucking kid had to pay the price for the crackhead that did that. And it's just like that's that child's normal, that's his normal, like dealing with adults that are trying to fool him and trick him. And it's like, dude, addiction and everything surrounding it is, you know here, heroin.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 59:47

You said you're a heroin addict. You were shooting heroin. Did you know that, like 15 years ago, that they did a genetic testing and I want to say about two dozen different, uh, united states cities, and over 90 percent of it went traced back directly to or towards afghanistan in regards to their poppy poppy plants, really, so yo, yeah. So here you've got. So that means you got two options either the Mexican cartel is so good at shipping and exporting that they can get a bag of heroin on this, like on a corner from Chicago, from Afghanistan, of Mexico to Chicago, then distribute it and it's at every street corner for cheaper than a pack of cigarettes, or are governments behind the supply chain.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:38

We know which one.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:00:41

I mean, it's like to pretend that you don't know the answer to that, to pretend it takes probably a train car of heroin a weekend to feed Chicagoago's. Need you know? Oh, no, they should be the most expensive shit in the world, and it's not, it's cheap.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:58

It's funny, dude. What you said is so true, because I quit smoking for about seven years and I recently picked it back up because of it's just an excuse. It's been a lot of stress, but ultimately it's just an excuse. But you're right. It literally I'm paying about's been a lot of stress, but ultimately it's just an excuse. But you're right, it literally I'm paying about $12 for a pack of cigarettes now and my name is Sawbuck. Mike Sawbuck is a slang for a $10 bag of heroin, um, or $10 bag of any drug for that matter, but in my case it was heroin. Well, yeah, you could buy a $10 bag for a bag of cigarettes.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:01:27

That is fucking nuts, dude so when uh chapo got popped off, uh dude, I'm gonna say the wrong last name. We'll call them the hernandez brothers. I may or may not. I'm in the ballpark, probably not accurate ends in a z.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:43

They were huh ends in a z. The name is the name.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:01:47

No, yeah, the name will end in a z yeah, so they, they're the ones that gave up Chapo. And if you read the court transcripts, which essentially what happens is well, we've been giving information to the United States government for 10 years, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, I've been working with these agents, they're my handlers. And then they said and they also make drop-offs with the heroin here in the United States for me to distribute. They pull the handlers on the stage. Every single thing that both those brothers said is absolutely true, with the exception that we give them heroin to distribute. Wow, yeah, it's like you know. I don't know, maybe it's just a coincidence, I don't know, I wonder's just a coincidence? I don't?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:31

know I wonder if you can speak on this. There was a kid I trained for a little bit who was? He was, we'll say, a very troubled youth, to say the least, and he was like in a foster care and like, honestly, the guy that was like his guardian at the time was a super stand-up guy that was working a case for him because he was under 18 and he was super criminal background gangs bringing guns to school, dealing drugs. Which is literally anything you could think of inner-city crime kid he had done.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:03:01

But he wasn't facing time for it and he was living with his attorney or whoever the guy who was overseeing his and like getting him out of trouble and stuff all the time, and he told me that his gang got a bunch of their weapons because they would just find crates of guns in the hood in the uh, he was talking about the train, the rail yards that used to be the place to get them.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:03:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah I was like who put them there, I don't know. We'd just find them like there'd just be a bunch of guns and we'd be armed.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:03:32

Yeah, or they'd have somebody you know, you would meet some like these low-end type people that were in charge of gangs and you'd go through their. So you're here, like on my side, for instance. So you got to look at it kind of like MMA guys, where you're just constantly writing notes down, you're watching, like you're talking to his training partners, you're writing all their notes down, and then when you finally see him, what you do is hey, you know, tom, I've been trying to talk to you for a while and they're just, you know, just super quiet, standoffish, and then you walk away. You come back and you go yeah, your dog's name is this, you drive fish. And then you walk away. You come back and you go yeah, your dog's name is this you drive that. You walk away.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:04:14

Come back, dude, when so-and-so got shot and killed, let me tell you something, man, that and like you'd be real, it'd be real sentiments you go that was fucking bullshit, that that guy that got killed was one of the good guys, somebody that I, I talked to and I liked you walk away. You come back and they're freaked the fuck out. They're're like how the fuck do you know this? And then you sit down, you talk to them and what they want to do is fill in the gaps. They want to tell you more about themselves. It becomes kind of like they become enamored with you. And when you talk to some of the gangbangers that have got some miles on them, if they were born anywhere else in the city of chicago, like any of these suburbs, they'd be running huge businesses like just brilliant, brilliant, calculated minds, and you know it's far and few between, but like when you see it, you're like holy fuck, like I'd want to work for that guy.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05:09

It just you see it every once in a while, yeah they just rose to the top of a different environment that they found themselves in it's just where they were born.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:05:17

That's what happened. It's where the fuck they were born so who do you think you took?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05:20

the government was leaving some guns and stuff in the hood.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:23

I mean yeah, it's not Santa Claus well here.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:05:27

Do you think the lives of black youth in the inner city are a priority to help in regards to our government? Like, do you think it's one of their priorities or do you think they're cool with what's happening?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:05:42

I think definitely the latter.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:05:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean you got to remember, like the areas that are troublesome today are the exact same areas troublesome 40 years ago. So nothing has changed, you know, and not only has nothing changed, like there's no program there that's really helping the kids Like I can only speak on the south side of Chicago. Like Leo High School is a Catholic high school in Englewood. It's over 90 percent of those kids that go there are on scholarship. The people that graduate from there constantly throw money at it because they're trying to make a difference in the neighborhood. Like those are the people that give a fuck about the neighborhoods, our government, they don't give a shit. They don't give a shit about what happens there. Like you know, give a shit, they don't give a shit about what happens there.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:06:35

Like you know, shooting happens at like a party where there's whites or latinos and they're upwardly mobile people, or middle class news everywhere. Oh, and like a little, this big oh, six kids got killed in englewood too. It's fucking, it's sad, like it's so sad, and like the one statistic and please bring this up in future podcasts we're talking about violence anywhere, like in the united states. So like, let's just say, 100 people got shot. If you you got to do the math, between 10 and 20 percent die. So if 100 get shot, between 10 and 20 die. But what they don't tell you is 70 of the people that fired a weapon missed. So you're looking at 900 shootings, you know 800 shootings to get a hundred shots, to get, you know, 10 to 20 dead. Like, think about that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:22

Yeah, I never really considered that how much straight bullets are flying.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:07:26

Yeah, what do you do with everything? I mean, dude, I'm a, I'm an okay shot. What the? I'm an okay shot, I'm fucking trained. I can't even imagine. You know what the fuck is happening there with them shooting on the side. You know, their miss ratio far outweighs their hit ratio.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:41

Literal war zone, though. Chicago is crazy, huh yeah, one neighborhood is a hipster. People are mad that you fucked up their coffee or something like that, and then a couple blocks over, there's people dying daily.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:07:54

Yeah, anyway, just try to keep that into account. I always ask, oh, where are you from? Oh, what area? I always know what gang's set and then it's just like, okay, you know, this kid's normal growing up was a lot different than mine and you just try to kind of catalog that. You know. I'm not saying, you know, give them more than what they're supposed to. Just, you know, be mindful of it. You know you got somebody that's, you know, probably got some fucking ptsd growing up. You know 100 so yeah.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:08:23

So since you guys started this podcast, what's your favorite conspiracies that you've, uh like never really thought about something that I never really thought would come up as much is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:08:34

Have you ever heard of the tuatha de dana? And that's like an irish mythological race yes, that's very neat.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:08:40

It's like a nose.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:08:41

Yeah, like the nose they're like fairy people and like. There's some that are like big and tall and shining and some are little gnome like and elf like, but uh, that's something I thought was very niche but we've had quite a few guests bring that up and totally unrelated from what I thought unrelated, but that's come up a lot, so I really like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:01

What about you, Mike? I'm a huge moon denier. I don't think that we landed on the moon ever.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:09:08

Mike, you're really putting your neck out there, that's a crazy one, right yeah, an app on our phone has got more, you know, more uh, technical like advantages than a fucking spaceship that you know went to the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:21

Yeah, yeah, what? Uh, let me think. What are some of the crazier ones that I believe the nephilim comes up a lot too now nephilim comes up a ton, you'd be foolish not to think the Nephilim existed. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, I pretty much I believe. I don't know man, I believe in it all. Basically, I don't believe we live on a flat Earth, but fuck it everything else I'm in. Dude, I hold a special place in my heart for, like aliens and UFOs, mike, are you?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:09:46

married to the globe.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:48

No, no, not at all, absolutely not Like. I'm totally open.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:09:51

Let's say Tom you got to get rid of this guy. No, like I don't think this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:55

I don't know what we live on, you know, I guess I'm like agnostic, you know.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:10:01

Dude, this might be a simulation.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:04

Right, exactly Exactly Like I'm open to anything I could be convinced anyway.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:10:10

Dude, another cheat code that I do whenever I need something, whenever I want something at some point I see somebody walking down the street, a homeless person. I always give them shit. Fuck it, they're here. Here's my change, here's this, here's that. I don't know how this fucking karma game works out, but I know me keeping this and I don't need it. That doesn't help me. You know, here you go, dude, here you go. All right, some of the ones right. So the other day I had a mushroom before I went to bed, wife was telling me I was being a dick, I was being an asshole. So whenever that happens, I have a micro and so I ate it. Before I went to bed and I woke up and the first thing out of my mouth was the clapper, was the first thing introduced to our houses that was recording us for the government. Wow.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:02

I remember you messaging me that too, and that is a very early version of it.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:11:06

yeah, I should copyright that fucking conspiracy, right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:10

That should be your T-shirt, that's the name of a book.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:11:12

yeah, yeah, just write a whole book on it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:15

What's a micro dose for you? Uh, because tom's like okay, oh yeah, 0.5.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:11:21

And. And, mike, I'm gonna be honest with you like I'm very, very good with understanding plant life, so whatever it is you think that you can do, I'd like to compare dick sizes in regards to that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:37

I only microdose like 0.3.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:11:41

I'm talking about the horticulture side.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:44

Oh, I don't know much about anything.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:11:46

For some reason I'm good at it. I have no idea why I just listen to the fucking mushrooms.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:11:53

No, that's valuable because when this place fucking burns to the ground and there's like various pockets of people, you could be the one to fucking be the one that helps bring plant life back.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:12:05

I don't know why, like I don't know why, like it's like I'm sober I don't do heavy doses of anything, but I do a micro which is like a half a gram, and it puts me in a good place, I'd say for about 10 days, 10 to 14 days, and then, like when I think I'm like kind of getting a little negative mindset or like a little bit of depression, I'll just do another half gram, which so, essentially for people at home that really aren't experienced with this, it's like, let's just say you're a drinker, I'm not.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:12:36

I haven't had a sip of alcohol since I was 18, but let's just say you're a drinker and I were to give you a quarter glass of Miller Lite in a shot glass. Like a quarter shot glass of Miller Lite. Could you go to the gym on that? Yes, could you drive on it, of course. Would you see tracers? No, that's what a microdose is. Your idea is not to get high but to get the mental and spiritual advantages from it without departing the planet and you really do feel it well when I say you're in plain old.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:13:08

What? When's the next time you're on the south side of chicago, bro?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:11

um whatever. I mean whatever I could. We could always, I could always arrange it to go over by tama. We could like do a cast over there or something I got you I got.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:13:22

I still have a bunch too you gotta be real careful how you, how you store them too. Yeah, no, dude, I, I, I don't know. I think they're medicine. I can't wait till they're legal and people actually understand what they are. I think that there's a really bad misconception of what it is they do and how they can help people, how they can help people but for for PTSD and shit like that addiction.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:13:53

Like if you do five to eight grams of mushrooms, which is I don't recommend to anybody Um, it's, it's a heroic dose 80 over, it's like 87% of people with addiction issues, it gets reset Like it's like here, this, this is what the fuck I did, dude, oh, I shouldn't admit this. So on the south side of chicago, when I get off at 127th, uh, 57, there was what's beginning to be like a homeless fucking mecca there and it's all white dudes from, like clearly from the suburbs, that just started using heroin and just started going down a bad path. Ok, and you know, you got the bubble hands like it's just, dude, it's fucking straight heroin. So somebody not me extracted the psilocybin from the mushrooms and put them in gummies. Psilocybin from the mushrooms and put them in gummies, and that same exit that I got off on said hey, dude, dude, have some of these thc fucking gummies, bro. They're not real strong and what happens is that entire bag would get eaten and they would go to hell, but that that that part of their brain for addiction would get reset and all of them eventually disappeared All of them.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:15:19

One just came back after like two years of being gone. I just saw him about three days ago a lot of meat on his bones. So, yeah, there's a couple people that I know that I'm not going to say fuck with the homeless people that way, that I'm not gonna say fuck with the homeless people that way, but when they see somebody that's battling with addiction, that's fucking begging for change in a shitty neighborhood in the area that they clearly don't belong in, yeah, they fucking hype them up with fucking psilocybin dude man dude that's doing way more than our government's ever done for them.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:44

Yeah yeah yeah'd be, whoever thought of that? Whoever thought of that is fucking brilliant dude, that's great that's great man love it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:55

And as we're uh kind of winding this down here, I wanted to say fuck I. I feel like I got detective skills now just taking some from you, and that's why you are the mma detective dude, check out my podcast.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:16:08

I'm telling you like, if you guys like little books, like, you guys like stories, like, and you guys like audiobooks, every single episode I do there's so much research and moving parts in it, like I'll have like three or four different sets of questions, depending on, like, where I can get them, and I and I I catalog everything, like I've got like a file, like a file system in my phone to where, like I know what avenues are going to go down. It's great, dude, it's pretty fucking intense. Like I. I like I said about 30, 35 percent of my guests end up crying at some point during the episode. Yeah, yeah, no, but it's just, it's because I care. You know, like you guys give a shit. I I see the research that you have. What do you guys? How many, how much, how many hours of research do you guys put in?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:51

depends on some of the guests. Some of the guests I've I've been super familiar with or maybe mike is the one who got them and he knows a lot more about them but, uh, definitely not as extensive as a detective like you yeah, I would say like five, six, not not including like editing or anything like that, just research for a show.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:08

I would say between like four and six hours, depending depending on who but?

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:17:13

that's why you guys are going to be around. Like that's why you guys are going to be successful, because you actually do the work. Like 95 of these interview shows is all right. Let me just read their wikipedia to them so, like in real time, we're listening to them do the research in front of the guests and it's it's the lamest shit you do. There's nothing positive that that comes from that. All you're doing is confirming some online bullshit. That's kind of like vanilla anyway, and you guys do the work. You do the work and, like you guys also made the adjustments.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:17:49

Like you guys, you've got a real good nuance of when to talk. You very rarely talk over each other. That's incredibly difficult because you're not in the same room. Like you guys can't feel that and you guys just kind of like look at each other and you communicate. That way you guys are going to be around, no for sure. Like when I first heard your podcast, it was like I think it was Josh Barnett and you guys had some basic things that needed to be changed in it and I said Tom man, dude, you guys got a really good concept. You know, here are certain kind of things that you guys got to alter and you guys make changes right away.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:18:25

I I appreciate the insight no it's fucking good shit, dude.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:18:28

It's good shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:18:29

I think the listeners are going to like this one too. I loved it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:31

I say it every fucking episode this was great, but it really was. This was awesome.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:18:36

Yeah, it's good shit. Well, here we talked about addiction. Neither of us lied, you know. Everybody told the truth here, mike, what you talked about with heroin. More people need to hear that dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:48

Yeah, I'm so open about it, dude. I wish I could share it with more people.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:18:56

What division were you in?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:57

I don't remember, so I could tell you what it was. I was in an area that had three rows, it was fin balls, neutrons, one love, and it was a dorm setting. That's how they explained it to me.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:19:11

Was it a dorm setting? Did it look like an overly long trailer park? Like trailer?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:17

It wasn't real open. It was more narrow and long and there was one bathroom in the front.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:19:23

How many floors? It was just one.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:26

It was one floor.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:19:27

You were an RTU. Okay, yeah, you were an RTU. Okay, yeah, you're an RTU. Yeah, I think it was supposed to be around for 10 years and they kept it for like 30. Yeah, it's a piece of shit Like super fucking hot in the summer, super cold in the winter.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:41

Mm-hmm, you had the shitty windows that like never really closed, you know with the metal on it. Yeah, really closed. You know that with the metal on it, yeah, being woken up refracted heat. Yeah, refracted heat. Yeah, four o'clock in the morning getting like deliveries waking you up.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:19:55

Yeah, so I started there, that's. That's exactly where I started, shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:19:59

I wonder if you guys crossed paths yeah, maybe I guarantee you he did this would have been maybe like 20, uh 2005.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:20:10

I was. That's where I started. June, june 13th 2005 is when I started, and then I got out of the Academy college. I think October is when I was there.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:24

Okay, yeah, that's like right Cause my wife was nine months pregnant with my first daughter and she came to bond me out and she was nine months pregnant and my daughter was born November 23rd. So, dude, it was like right there.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:20:42

And October? Yeah, and dude, what about the visiting area? How fucking humiliating is it to go and have to yell at someone through a fucking two-inch thick piece of glass?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:20:55

Dude, the only one that would come see me ever in any place that I was ever locked up, was my wife. No one else. My mom wouldn't do it. She said she couldn't, my aunt couldn't do it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:21:06

And I didn't want my kids. Can you blame her?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:21:07

No, absolutely not.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:21:15

I don't blame him at all, you know. You know, mike, I I'd say the one thing that I also learned, like I, my first wife died and she was like going to small villages in mexico and killing mosquitoes to stop the spread of disease with dengue, and dengue is eventually what got her. The one thing that, like I learned from that was like she was so much better to me than I was to her, especially like at my lowest, like what you're talking about, and when I remarried, like I do not cheat on my wife I do not and it's like you know. The one regret I have is just like you know, I can't get that back. Like I can't be better to her than she was to me. And like when you were locked up and she's fucking pregnant and she's standing by you, dude, you can't discount that man. Like it's just you can't you can't do it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:22:04

She's the best dude. She's yeah, I was. We first met when I I was 16 and she was 14. We dated for a little bit, but you know how it is when you're young, like that. It wasn't anything serious, but we always were kind of like around each other, ancillary, like we knew, people know of each other, that uh. And then, um, we just fucking got back together and but she, she has always loved me, like she'll tell you, like she's you know. So it's like she's the one person I've ever been with and we've been married for a while now. But she's the one person like I've never. I never have any worries, like I never have to think or worry about anything and dude being locked up and seeing those guys, dude that I have to worry about. It's like, oh my God, dude.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:22:50

It, those guys, dude, that have to worry about it's like oh my god, dude, it's terrible, okay. So I'm on the road for bkfc a lot and, like you know, I got kids, bro. Like I only make girls, the only thing I got is girls. But I know my old lady. She's handling her business at home, even if her and I are button heads, I know at home it's a solid foundation.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:23:06

And then I see the guys on the road, because it's like it's every other weekend we're on the road and like I see the guys that just don't have that stability and it's just like fuck dude, like they're wrecked emotionally, physically, you know quick to be angry. It's like you've got to have your home life, just that's got to be your peace, your place of peace, and then you know'll go fight your battles outside of home. You know you shouldn't be fighting those inside and if you are, you got to look at yourself, man. You know how much of that is you and how much is that is her, and what can you do to make her stop? Because you know, I don't know, I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:23:43

I just I try to make my home life as fucking peaceful as possible, man, you got to got to and not to speak for anyone else, but maybe in some cases you just have a thing for bipolar crazy girls. I don't know. I don't know anyone like that though.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:23:55

Is that you, tom? Are you married, dude or what?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:23:57

No, I'm not. I'm not, but that's been my trend.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:24:01

Are you dating? Are you dating anyone? I am here. Are you on any apps right now?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:07

No, okay, those are no good, no good.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:24:13

Yeah, yeah, those are fucked up, man. Well, anyway, guys, I appreciate this. Mike, when you're on the south side, I'd like to gift you something. Yeah, I'd love to hang out. Yeah, we'd love to chill.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:24:28

Like I would say go get a beer normally, but I mean I would absolutely, we don't do that. So we I love to kick it like, just do something you know that'd be cool.

Mike Davis the "MMA Detective": 1:24:35

Yeah, tom, always a pleasure. And if you guys want to come out to an event, man, I think we're actually gonna be in one of the casinos in Indiana. We're supposed to be closing it the next couple weeks, but if you guys see one of our events, just let me know. I'll make sure I got some tickets to set aside for you guys bkfc as well, any bkfc event you guys want to go to, let me know, I'll get your tickets all right, you're the man.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24:54

Yeah, awesome, look to have you back on and thank you for coming on. Thank you for being a supporter, bro thanks, brother.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:00

All right guys, the mma detective guy dude, yeah, he, uh. He reminds you of, like your typical Irish-Italian Chicago. You know what I mean.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:25:12

Oh yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:13

Yeah, he was a good dude. I really liked him. I look forward to hanging out with him. And that's another one that I go into. I don't like saying that like oh, it's way better than I thought, because that sounds bad. But sometimes you go into them not knowing how it's going to go or where it's going to go.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:25:33

And it takes you to all those cool places. So, yeah, I'm happy, I think it was good, dude. And, uh, almost a little bit of intimidation with such a storied podcaster and deep diver himself and, like him, giving us some constructive criticism and being a listener, it's like, oh shit, I knew it was going to be a good episode, but it's a little daunting than your, your regular guests, when you know they bring a lot of knowledge, even about our own show.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:25:53

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, I like all of his advice. I think it was good. Obviously, if someone wants to give us advice, that's been doing this for a while, we're going to take it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:04

We're not fucking stupid.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:06

I'm not a globehead.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:26:09

I've got a few ties to mike as well, like, uh, I I don't know if I've competed in his organizations, but I've coached people on some of his shows for sure and like set up fighters on his events. Uh, I used to do side work for a guy who is his best friend in like the south side. Like I would do some random, like demo and like grunt labor for some extra cash and yeah, that was like his best friend and we bullshit on the phone or whatever, or at the job site or something. If the guy I was working for was talking to him and now we got him podcast and looking forward to getting some bare knuckle fighting championship seats from him. That's pretty sick too dude, I the.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:26:50

you know we've talked about it. We've had a couple of guys on from BKFC. I really like the sport. I think it really is like a harken back to how the UFC felt in the early 90s. That's like the vibe I get. But yeah, I would love to fucking go to a BKFC event.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:05

dude, that'd be sick, it is like our podcast is a little bit mingled into some bare knuckle fighting. And fuck dude, I'm not gonna lie, there's a little bit of part in me that wants to fucking do a bare knuckle boxing fight. I've never done a purely striking fight do you?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:27:18

have you ever tried striking?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:20

oh yeah. Like I originally was MMA before I had hurt my eyes. Like I thought I was gonna be like fucking George St Pierre. Like I was all in on the mma. I had the one mma fight in 2013 and I destroyed the guy right away, tapped him out I saw that and you were a late replacement I uh, I couldn't do freaking striking for a while because I had a lot of eye injuries, but uh, I still know it quite a bit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:27:44

I've trained a lot of clients in striking and uh, obviously much more of a grappler like if I was going to take an mma fight. Uh, I'm going to use my strength. But there's always that little thing that you see with a lot of wrestlers and they want to fucking stand and bang for some reason because they've grappled for so much and wrestled so much, the thrill of just throwing hands. As unintelligent as it may be his game plan, but I something about the just raw brutality of fucking bare knuckle, like part of me does really want to do it and it seems like there's some money in it you definitely should and you're selling.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:18

You're not really um. You're not taking any credit for your mma win because you were like a, you were a late replacement for that fight, right for that one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:28:26

No, I was uh planning to do it. It might be might be the first black belt match that I had, though I was a late replacement.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:33

Well, you were wearing goggles.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:28:37

Oh no, the goggles one, that one, the grappling one, that one, I took on like a day.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:28:43

Yeah, you took it on day and this guy was supposed to be like they were like talking him up, like he was supposed to be something, and you went in and fucking mauled him. Dude, it was like it wasn't even a competition, it was crazy. And then you were saying a little bit earlier, before, that you recently are not another world champion, but you're, or is it, a country champion. How, how do?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:29:08

you, it was a. Over the weekend I got a usa wrestling national title in folk style wrestling and a few days before that I was promoted to my long overdue black belt. Like I never gave a shit about the belts or whatever, had a home gym, but uh, the gym I'm at now and teach at now. The instructor and friend of mine, fabian, surprised me with the black belt, so that was pretty cool. So I'm stacking some credentials and teach at now. The instructor and friend of mine, fabian, surprised me with the black belt, so that was pretty cool, so I'm stacking some credentials.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:29:36

I'm supposed to go to California, the tournament that Josh Barnett is having in May. So if there's anyone out there who wants to sponsor me and help me out with things I don't know exactly how I'm going to pull that off, but it's going to happen and I'm going to go. I'm actually going to be part of Team Great Britain Snake Pit, which is when I went to England to do the Catch Wrestling Worlds and it was hosted in England by the Snake Pit, which is the old school catch wrestling lineage from way back. Then. They invited me to be part of their team. They're getting a free, free five day training camp with Josh Barnett ahead of time, like a few days out from that tournament. So I'm invited to be part of that. So I'm going to go get to train with Josh, like in a private setting, for those days before, because I'm part of the team Snake Pit now and yeah, that's going to be sweet dude so anyone out there that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:30:26

wants to sponsor, let's go.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:30:27

I gotta find a way to to uh fucking fund that trip dude, because I so if there are any wealthy listeners out there that uh also seem to like, uh, mma, and wrestling, and you really like me and mike yeah?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:30:40

and conspiracy. You really like me and mike. You want to help us get out there and document that and film it for some exclusive content. Uh, we are. We are open for business.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:30:50

Yeah, that would be dope. Either way it's going to happen, and if you aren't a super wealthy person that wants to gift us monies to make it across the country, there's other ways you can help too. We have a Patreon. You could do that. That helps out. It's Conspiracy and Chill on Patreon and we also have whatever platform you're listening to us on, there should be a little support icon. You could do that and you could help the podcast out for as little as what three bucks a month and that helps us you know, helps us better.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:31:23

this thing become one of the first Conspiracy and Chill syndicate members If members if you want to do any of that something you could do that doesn't cost you anything is just click a five-star review for us, because those really do help and we have noticed that people actually are doing it. So thank you guys, because that shit really helps.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:31:41

I don't know how, but it does, so thank you yeah, we appreciate all our listeners, especially the ones that have been there with us from the beginning. Share the episodes, like the youtube videos, whatever. Get this content out there. If you're enjoying it, message me and mike, let's bullshit and go back and forth in the dms a little bit. Maybe you want to come on the show, maybe you want to recommend something or, uh, talk some shit to us. Tell us what we should do better.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:32:06

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