#24 | Paul Stobbs II | Eclipses, Demon Face Syndrome, and Magic | "Black Hole Sun"

We welcome back the insightful Paul Stobbs as he unveils a preview of his scholarly work. Paul guides us through the curious historical connections and modern spiritual encounters that challenge the fabric of reality as we know it. Engross our senses in this episode's tapestry of hidden symbols and their omnipotent threads in art, corporate logos, and the subconscious awakenings they provoke, intertwined with the historic use of psychedelics and the mystical practices of secret societies.

As we wrestle with the seductive dangers of seeking esoteric knowledge, we redirect our gaze toward the humility of redemption through Christ, contemplating the millennial kingdom theory and its implications for humanity's future. Delve into the complexities of our times, the influence of movements like the Theosophical Society, and the harrowing impacts of apocalyptic predictions on society. Confront the role of trauma in spiritual awakening as we navigate through the true nature of magic in art and media, urging a call for critical thought amidst potential deceptions.

Paul Stobbs' upcoming book is a mere glimpse into the extraordinary discussions at hand. We'll track the potential cultural and psychological shifts induced by mass trauma and explore whether recent global events are reshaping our perception of reality. As we close this chapter, we extend our heartfelt appreciation for your continuous engagement, inviting you to join the journey of critical discovery and personal enlightenment. This episode isn't just another conversation; it's an odyssey into the depths of history, spirituality, and the profound quest for truth.

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

Paul Stobbs: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:11

It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. So I want you to read the Bible. We got reptilians on just outside of our frequency zone.

Paul Stobbs: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:30

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show it's obvious.

Paul Stobbs: 0:34

The aliens are god-fearing and insanely huge. We're just one planet.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:38

They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead shielding in order to get through the 25,000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

Paul Stobbs: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that, and I mean the world with human beings in it skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill the nephilim sightings are going to start soon the Bulldog Ball. I want you to read the Bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party Called the Anti-Masonic Party. At a point in the United States, the Global Pandemic Treaty Conspiracy and Chill Podcast.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:24

We've got our first returning guest on the show, Honestly one of my favorites, and it seems to have been one of the best performing episodes We've got Paul Stobbs, we talked Nephilim and Clowns last time, and thanks for coming back on dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:36

No worries, guys. Thanks for having me. It's good to be back.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:39

So we were chatting a little off air. I'm sure you've more than made your case for the Nephilim Clowns, with all the podcasts you've been on and every video you've done and the book you're writing, and I feel like we could get into some more modern things or just kind of you know riff about what it's like to be a truth or thoughts on current affairs. But why don't you talk about the book a little bit too? Because I haven't really heard any news on the book. You almost done with it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 2:08

Yeah, well, the book's coming along very nicely. Actually, I decided to split it into two and publish two books because I've written 20 chapters and I realize I have a book here of a succinct story that explains the history of the Nephilim and the history of the secret societies and the creation of clowns and the circus, and also the history of the secret societies and the creation of clowns and the circus, and also the inclusion of clown societies throughout culture which venerate their own sacred clowns, as they call them, which are examples of people using costumes to channel specific spirits and how that also relates to the same practice of using a clown. And then I've ended with some DMT trip reports as well to show how people are still communicating with these beings, even in the modern day, perhaps not in the same way these ancient shamans would have done it, which I discussed in the previous chapter, but we're still seeing people seeing these entities in the other realm and they certainly do look like clowns. So I've stopped there and I've written a book and I've titled it the History. So that's part one, and part two will be about all the other cultures around the world that have ancestor spirit worship, going through each continent, showing all their costumes and what they wear and how they all have clownish like features. That's going to be volume two in a year's time, so I am on track. I expect it to be ready by the back end of next year anyway, both volumes.

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:20

But I've just finished volume one and I'm going to publish that in the next two months. I'm currently just going through the editing stage. You know these proofreading stage, all that kind of stuff, legal stuff, copyright issues, all that you know, getting all the legal things sorted. So I'm on Kindle Publishing. I have it all ready to go and I've been making the book cover. I'm really excited about it. It looks cool. My wife's been helping me with that and telling me what does and doesn't look like basic Microsoft Word clip art stuff and what actually looks real and decent, and we've managed to get a decent looking image together now. So I'm excited. Yeah, so hopefully that should be published at the end of May, maybe the beginning of mid June, something like that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:56

So the book's on its way. Awesome, is that the first book you've tried to write?

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:05

Yeah, I guess. So I mean, I, I have a degree in fine arts. I've written a dissertation for 10 000 words on occult symbolism in modern artwork before, but uh, and this is more of it so far, this is more of a hundred thousand word uh thesis based on, uh, biblical and british and european history. So this is something else and it's, um, I've tried to keep it a scholarly work. It's got as much as many references as any, any standard it should be. You know, just to back up the claims I'm making that I'm not just pulling this out of thin air. You know, I've got the receipts as well and the historical documentation to prove, uh, the nefarious hidden hand behind the creation of the clown costume in the western world is there, it's clear. It's clear as day once you put the pieces together. But this is the first book I'm ever going to publish. Yeah, so it's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 4:47

I've got that pre-publishing nerves. I'm starting to question everything I've ever written. It's kind of like is is this good enough? I don't know. And I'm trying not to do that thing where you rewrite things to death. You just keep rewriting and rewriting and rewriting the same paragraph and over and over again. I think this comes a point where you've got to just leave it as it is and put it out there and just take the feedback for what it is, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:08

So, yeah, it's exciting stuff definitely that's great and uh, yeah, no, I don't think you could make up the stuff you're talking about, even if you tried.

"$awbuck" Mike: 5:16

And from following your work too, it seems like that maybe the rewriting thing you're literally always uncovering more and more like examples or, uh, connections, and it's kind of like a never-ending trail that you've gone down, versus when you first probably made the connections and yeah, yeah, well, a good example of that is you know, I I have all these chapters already mapped out with all the subheadings of everything I've discussed to no end on the channel, you know, but in more detail and then suddenly this thing happens, like two weeks ago, where everybody's suddenly seeing demon faces and people you know where. They have big white smiles, and it's called demon face syndrome, and they look like clowns, with big, wide grins, big, bulging eyes, you know, and all this type of thing, and I'm like, of course, this would happen when I was just about to publish and it's kind of a typical. So I'm gonna have to work that into volume two. Now it's gonna get a bit thicker another 10 pages thicker, no doubt, and it's um, but that's the nature of this theory. It really is just one thing after another.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:11

Um, I think someone just sent me a link today about christian clowns, where they have clown masses in churches in england, and I'm like, are you joking?

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:19

Is this? This is getting out of hand now, and, uh, I'm excited to see where clown fashion is going to go as well in the next few years, because that's still snowballing away. Um, so, yeah, it's a never-ending treasure trove of information, but, uh, you've got to, you've got to just get the gist down and paper, I think, which is what I'm trying to do, and then people can make their own connections ad nauseum then for the rest of their life, if they can. But, uh, it's one thing to have videos on youtube, it's another to have it immortalized and ink on paper, which is when I'm trying to get this, this done and then, as you were explaining, maybe then I can move on with my life and maybe start talking about other topics once more, because, uh, I have inadvertently become the quasi expert on clown history and I never intended to be the guy talking about clowns. It just kind of ended up that way.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:04

Um, but, yeah, absolutely, it's again, it's, it's never ending definitely funny where life takes us, uh, with that demon face syndrome thing, immediately your work and our conversation that we had in the last episode about, like, the sightings of the nephilim. We even have that in the intro now of our show. You're talking about the nephilim sightings and, uh, immediately. Other thing that comes to mind is my all-time favorite movie. They live like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:26

I love that movie and I'm like this is obviously just a cover story for anyone who starts to, you know, see this stuff manifesting and you've seen a lot of stuff about the, the coming eclipse, people who spit in all types of wild theories about all the eclipse. It's gonna, uh, cause a portal to open and there's gonna be demons running around, or there's going to be the three days of darkness. There's going to be stuff to do with the Lost Tribes. Literally any type of conspiracy you could think of is connected with the supposed eclipse and I think, speaking for all of us or anyone who's you know been into conspiracies for a while, there's always some big next event that you know this is going to happen. There's going to be this like and I fall for it sometimes too I'm like, oh, there is a lot of, you know, symbolism and numerology around it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:09

Maybe, maybe, something crazy is going to happen, so it's almost like they try to exhaust us with the possibilities absolutely, yeah, well, I've been talking a lot about that recently, obviously with um, this whole millennial reign theory which is popping off right now and getting really big in the culture of conspiracy, and uh, it does feel like a lot of these events they're forcing on us through the media, like the, the coming apocalyptic, cross-shaped over america eclipse going through all the cities of nineveh type, although everything's involved, while devil's comet's going to be visible in the thing, you know, and they're going to sacrifice those red heifers while they're at it. You know, over there it's all just one thing after the hype, hype, hype, uh, tribulations just around the corner, jesus is just about to return, prepare to suffer and be beheaded, all these type of things. You know, make sure your preps get, make sure you get your prep bag. You know, only uh, 59.99 if you use my promo code.

"$awbuck" Mike: 8:59

All that type of stuff is happening online right now and it's kind of ill from my perspective with the stuff I've been looking into that. Maybe that already happened in the past, mate and we're. We're just living through a deception, but they're trying to make it look like that's happening. It just seems so contrived and silly to me now in in hindsight. But uh, one interesting thing about the black hole sun thing relating to the clown topic. Um, it's just that the song black hole sun was it. Was it who sung that song?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:24

again, I got this wrong or sound?

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:26

good, sound garden. Yeah, okay, yeah, sound. I got it wrong in the last stream and people were like you're crazy how you don't know who sound garden. Now it's like I didn't know it, I just slip of the tongue. But, um, if you remember that music video, it shows a lot of people during an eclipse suddenly developing big, white smiling grins and big, big eyes using that. That's it, that typical early, uh, graphic effects.

"$awbuck" Mike: 9:48

You know that they were experimenting a lot with back then and during that time, but, uh, you realize it was that a hint that when this eclipse happens, will it make people start seeing through the veil just a little bit more and perhaps seeing one of two things. You could interpret it as these demon faces people are seeing is people are witnessing their true nature and they're not really human at all. That's a they live type situation. Or are people just seeing through the veil and can now see the demons in people, the demons that are inhabiting people, the demons that are using people to experience stuff through their senses, and you can just kind of see how they've parasitically moulded themselves to the host's senses the eyes, the mouth and everything and now you're seeing that person with devilish features because the demon within them is latched onto them quite thoroughly, or we're just seeing that instead, who knows.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:41

But it's interesting, through predictive programming, that you know the guy who sung about this thing. I think he died of suicide mysteriously. Was that what happened? I think he was suicided, as they say. You know, and it's just odd that he was singing about this song in a true predictive programming fashion that coinciding with an eclipse would be a big, wide face demon phenomena thing going on, and we actually have just seen that happen. An eclipse is about to happen, and how? People are seeing demon faces, but the new syndrome that's just been invented to explain it all the way, and gaslight people. It's like oh, you're seeing demons in people's faces, are you? Well, there's a syndrome for that. You're just crazy. You know this. We have an excuse, we have an answer for why you're seeing that. You know it's just the timing is just impeccable, isn't it?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:22

it's just silly that is freaking nuts and uh scary. Let's say, let's say that the predictive programming is real for that. And then, uh, when it comes to like the 911 predictive programming that they were blasting for decades and I'm sure there's like in hindsight, we'll be able to look back and see, like, in all these cartoons or whatever, there was an eclipse and then something crazy happened or we'll be in some other music video or something and uh, I remember you just said a few minutes ago that you originally did a paper on occult, uh symbolism in like the arts or in the music industry and stuff. Is that available anywhere? Do you have? Oh no it was.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:58

It was a university dissertation for the university of lincoln, so it's possibly in their library somewhere, I don't know. But it was more about modern art. It was a bit more fancy and pretentious and all out there and, uh, the modern art scene is just weird. It's like the fashion industry. It's just weird. You wouldn't really know anything about it unless you were in it type of scene, you know. But uh, even then I would look back on what I wrote and think, god, you knew nothing then compared to what you know now. It's one of those you know, but uh, it was. It was during my when I was waking up phase when I wrote that. You know, when you're first just discovering this stuff and it's like I'm seeing these things everywhere. There's eyes all over the place. There's hidden geometries behind every great painting. That's kind of alluding to a hidden hand and all these secret societies. It's quite davinci code stuff. You know what I mean? Um and I'm, and that's what my dissertation was about as well as um.

"$awbuck" Mike: 12:45

I used to listen to a, a podcast called. Was it red ice radio or something like that. I think they were swedish, as a swedish couple who used to make loads of videos back in the day in like 2010, 2011, about symbolism, you know, and they showed all the the sun disc symbolism, the arch symbolism in logos and just any, any occult symbol you could imagine. They showed all the sun disc symbolism, the arch symbolism in logos and just any occult symbol you could imagine. They showed all the logos that would display the same thing, the wing disc and all this sort of stuff. And I was like that blew my mind back then. My tiny, unknowledgeable mind, you know, didn't know anything. I was like it's everywhere, it's in everything. So when I was at university at the time doing an art degree, I was like it's everywhere, it's in everything.

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:27

So when I was at university at the time doing an art degree, I was like I have to write about this. So that's most of it's just about that, just the obvious symbols that are in everything in terms of artwork. So yeah, I think I have it on my shelf, dusty, some way. It's like 10 years old. If I do find it, maybe I'll take a photo of each page and I'll send it to you or something, just like you know, but I'd be. I bet it's full of spelling errors as well and I was very high throughout my entire university degree, so I do not imagine. Much of it is coherent when I think about it in hindsight. But um, this book that I've written, now sober, for eight years. Nothing like that is much more coherent and better. I'll just promote that as well I can definitely relate.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:04

I feel like, uh, the symbols and stuff, like that is. It's like wearing the they live glasses in real life, because you're like, oh my god, it's everywhere. Look this, that like you're just breaking it down constantly. You can't even like the world normally. Again, you're just looking at it through those glasses, like the uh corporate logos, like you said, or the paintings, whatever else, like it all. It all is ending up being some like saturn worship or some something like that occult, like mason symbol, just stuff like that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:33

And uh, as far as just being a stoner, when you're first waking up, that's how a lot of people start. I think too something about. I mean, I don't really smoke anymore, but definitely when I would be smoking a lot of weed I I'd be like download, instant download. Sometimes when you're like going down these trails like, oh, this, what if this is connected to this and that, and I know that we talked to before about the DMT or psychedelics and whatever. That it definitely kind of opens you up to the spirit realm and obviously that would open you up to the dark and bad aspects of the spirit realm. And obviously that would open you up to the dark and bad aspects of the spirit realm.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:07

I don't know if it was your channel or if it was maybe uh, mind unveiled, somebody was breaking down that, the, the templars like, who were going to jerusalem, like, however, many thousand years ago, to try and uh find these holy relics and stuff that they picked up using weed from uh, another secret society called the, called the hashishans, which was like the original order of the assassins. It was like a uh, arabic like mystery school where they would take a lot of like ash and stuff and drug their members and then go commit a bunch of murders and you know like weed heavy, using cults instead of just like the stoner stereotype of just I don't know, chilling, eating food, listening to music, that no, these dudes were like doing rituals and going and murdering people yeah, the templars are an interesting one because obviously they were set out as something like maybe like a catholic crusader type cult of some kind, but uh, they ended up coming back with sufi, occult, gnostic wisdom instead.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:59

You know which they picked up along their journeys and became something else completely. I agree with you on that. Um, I actually talked with um. I talked with somebody about this myself. I can't remember it was um, but I do.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:10

I think I saw what mind unveiled was showing as well myself something and it's, it's gnosticism is an all-pervasive parasite. I'll say that much. It gets into every belief system and and and it's um, it's very enticing. I can see why people get into it. That's initially where I was at the beginning of all of this, when I was writing my thesis on all these symbols. I was seeing it from a hermetical, alchemical perspective, trying to understand the archetypical symbolism behind certain collective consciousness symbols. I was all in that realm. It's trippy stuff. I wouldn't recommend doing any of that. Now psychedelics anymore. It's a world I left behind and it's kind of a big part of my channel, kind of trying to explain to people how look.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:52

It's not necessarily that the, the spirit world or the astral realm is a bad place. It's a perfectly necessary place. In fact, it's a part of creation. It's like, um, the plumbing behind the walls or something, or the wiring of the universe. It's kind of like it has to be there for this to be here. It's, it's just they are the same place. Technically it's just opposite. We don't, we don't see through walls in our perception, in our reality, and there's no need to. You don't need to know how, how the thing works in order to use the thing you know. That's kind of what I consider the spirit realm versus our realm to be. That's the kind of dichotomy it is. It's the warp of the wolf of a rug. You know. You get this beautiful arabesque rug, you know, which is just full of beautiful paisley designs and swirls and and flower and floral motifs, but you turn that rug over and it's an absolute mess of just strings attached to the other places, where you see the artist is like skipped over places to get some color in another spot and it's um, but that's necessary to have the thing on top, which is what you're supposed to see, what you're supposed to enjoy, and I believe that's our reality.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:51

A lot of these psychedelic thinkers and explorers have it the other way around. They think where they're going is better than this realm. They think they're going to a more heightened place. They tend to believe they're going to like the fifth dimension, where the ascended masters are, or the, I don't know name what you want to call them. Everyone has their own view on what they're going to talk to there. So you see that us from the future, the ascended masters, the great teachers, aliens, angels, I don't know. They come as many beings and many things, but one common thread is they seem to look something akin to a jester, or a clown as well.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:25

So, um, from my history research, it seems like, okay, these are not collective archetypes of the young and unconscious reflecting aspects of humanity back at ourselves in order to help us grow and learn, or something, some nonsense like that. These are actually real entities with separate consciousnesses from us, who are there for a specific reason and there's a history to back up how they ended up there, and they are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. So we shouldn't really be in that realm, that perfectly safe and normal realm in and of itself that should exist. It's a creation of God's creation, the perfectly natural place to exist, but it's full of enemies, it's full of demons, it's full of the things we shouldn't be dealing with, and maybe there's a reason why we don't perceive that realm all the time anymore. I believe we used to. It seems like people were very well in tune with this realm, just naturally, without the need for drugs, at some point. But I think after the flood, that rainbow seal was given to us as a covenant from god to say you know, not only will I not flood the earth again for your sake, but also now you can perceive the spectrum of light.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:27

Your bandwidth has been limited so you don't have to deal with these spirits anymore that just have just been wiped out by the flood in a physical sense. You no longer have to communicate with them. They can't influence you, they can't get in the way. They're trapped now and you can live life more abundantly in this current state that you've been put in as like a mercy, more than anything because there's billions of these entities on the other side that are just waiting to possess you, abuse you, use you and just get in your mind, mess with you, send you insane and crazy, because they, they hate you by the nature of them, not being you.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:57

It's a no man's land. It's a war zone. Stay in the trench. Do not go wandering around in no man's land like this. There land. You'll get no enlightenment there that you think you're getting. You'll bring you nothing but death, pain and misery. But you will believe for a short while you are getting something brilliant. You'll believe you're growing in spiritualism and you're becoming an enlightened being, but all you're doing is getting an inflated ego and a God complex and not really growing in any tangible physical sense.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:27

Usually these people who think I know all the secrets of the world and I'm brilliant because of all my psychedelic experiences, more often than not they are lonely, isolated people with no children or family who are possibly just smoking weed constantly and watching videos online and actually have no real tangible progression in their life. They own no property because they don't need property, because it's all just ethereal, tangent nonsense. You know that isn't real anyway and why have any earthly attachments? It's kind of. You realize their life is hell but they believe themselves to be wise and that's kind of. Jesus Christ showed the way to live life and have life more abundantly, and it doesn't involve having to communicate with spirit entities in an astral realm. It's he showed the way and his way has shown me real, tangible results. So that's kind of what my message is as an ex psychedelic tripping myself you know I'm not saying this as somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about I was microdosing LSD every day for like three years.

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:25

I smoked cannabis for like nine years every single day, five times a day. Being sober was a trip for me for eight years of my life. You know I've done DMT at least four times, salvia about six times. I've done it all. You know I've done psilocybin mushrooms three times and, like I said, I was microdosing tabs of LSD every other day in different doses and lengths and making journals about it. I was there with the rest of them but I realized my life is falling apart and there's no wisdom here, certainly no wisdom in the creation itself. Anyway, you need to go looking for the creator.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:57

That's kind of what I realized yeah, I like a lot of that and I resonate with a lot of what you said and it's funny when you realize it all comes back to the fallen angel, like religions or belief systems too. We had a guy, brandon Kroll, on the show. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but he's got some good work and a lot of it kind of overlaps with yours and you two would be a great conversation if you have two ever linked up or maybe we get you both on here. But he's the first one to bring up that. Uh, you mentioned the hermetic principles and it had me thinking of that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:28

That hermes, like the character, and me and mike were going back on this a little bit recently because, uh, everyone was, you know, on cat comes dick for going on joe rogan and talking about stuff, and I listened to the episode. It wasn't even like he didn't even talk about anything really like revealing or very rudimentary. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And everyone's like, oh my god, dude, cat williams dropping the truth bombs. He's talking about the emerald tablets of thoth and hermes, just this, and me and mike. When mike had his old podcast, like years ago, we were talking about the uh, emerald tablets.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:56

But that uh brings me back to that brandon guy we had on. He was saying that, uh, hermes is just literally the ultimate homage to a fallen angel, because Mount Herman is where the, the fallen angels, came down to meet with man and, like you know, made it with the women and kind of started the whole Nephilim thing and their teaching was just like oh yeah, you are a God, you can become a God if you just learn enough things. And then you get the guy who's smoking weed all day or whatever, like you said, who really has nothing going for him but thinks he's, uh, god himself because of all the knowledge he's obtained. And it's like the memes. Anytime it's a meme about, like you know, people digging into the occult or whatever new agey type of stuff. It's always like a like scribbled out face guy, like sunken eyes, just like super tired and exhausted, like don't worry, I figured out all the secrets.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:43

Yeah, yeah, thank God, they know it all. What would we do without them? You know, yeah, a lot of it's rooted in pride. Absolutely. It's the you will be as God's promise from the Garden of Eden. It's the original lie, really. You know, just partake of the knowledge of good and evil and you'll be like gods and your eyes will be open.

"$awbuck" Mike: 23:59

A lot of people get upset because it's kind of like, what about free will? You know, and I actually think we're terrible with free will. I think the whole of the whole of existence is god teaching us that, given free will will make a mess of it. It's what I think he's letting us do. He'd let us have it and let us see that it's not all.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:14

It's cracked up to be, in a way, and a lot of people, you know, want to want to carve their own way, their own paths, and become wizards or something, so they can have ultimate control over existence and influence over people or something like that. What I realize is it's the prodigal son analogy. It's kind of you can go out there and do it, then go and make, go and do your own thing, find your own way, and you'll realize it leaves nothing but death and destruction and misery and pain and loneliness. That's where you'll end up and then come back to the father. He'll welcome you in with loving arms. He'll give you your inheritance. He had waiting for you and he'll actually give you the life or a path or a direction you always wanted. You'll actually get to live the life you wanted to live.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:52

It was there all along and it's kind of that's the irony of the trickery of these jesters in the other realm who are lying to people. They're stealing, they're robbing you of your birthright. They're robbing you of your birthright. They're trying to steal something and sell back to you something you already had. Do you get what I mean? It's like stealing your own pocket watch and selling it back to you. That's what they've basically done. Basically, you already had it all and it's just like the lie in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve oh, eat this apple and you'll get this knowledge and your eyes will be open and you'll be as gods Not already realizing. They're already as close to being as god as you possibly can be. They are walking with god in the garden of eden how much better can it?

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:27

get you know, but the lie was that you can always get better, the grass is always greener, and that's really what a lot of this psychedelic stuff is all about. And on the hermes thing as well, it's not just a homage to mount herman, but hermes, the messenger of the gods, is another one, who's a Prometheus analogy as well, which is something similar of the one who stole fire from the gods and gave it to man, you know, which is a Lucifer, light bringer, knowledge bringer analogy as well, which is just an anagram for the Satan's actually the good guy. That's basically what Lucifer is trying to be. That's the name. It means the light bringer. You know, it's all just the same stories told over and over again and it's all rooted in pride. That's what I found and a lot, and that's the issue with pride.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:10

Prideful people don't want to admit they've been tricked or that they are even prideful. They want to believe they're egoless, identityless, uh, and ascended beyond all that kind of stuff. People, you know, and as a christian I would even, I would realize, even in my state as as a, as a born-again believer, I still fall massively short and um, I'm trying every day to be better, you know, and I still keep failing, and that's that's. Christ offers that good news you can be forgiven. Humans make mistakes. Just just keep going, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:44

But these, these people who take these psychedelics for too long, they end up in a place where they really do think they are like God or, oh, I'm just an aspect of God who's forgotten that he's God so he can experience what it's like to be a human or some convoluted nonsense like that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:02

And I get a little bit exacerbated with it all, because I get a lot of people going on my channel who I think they hear me talk about the clown stuff and they see my logo and you think I'm one of them. They think, oh, this guy must be another you know alchemical, thinker, gnostic type who's there to talk about christ, consciousness or something like that and give me some esoteric wisdoms. And it's kind of like, no, I've got some esoteric wisdom to teach you, but I'm leading you back to Christ at the end of the day and no, you're not a god. And as soon as they hear me say that, it's like, oh god, another religious freak Bye. And it's like I guess I'm a trap for them in a way. They didn't expect Jesus to be preached to them at any moment, but you know surprise.

Paul Stobbs: 27:50

Mark twain, it's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they've been fooled. That's a quote by mark twain. Yeah, that's what that? Oh yeah, absolutely. What do you? Um, I don't want to say prediction, because I like that. I feel like that comes with the implication that if you're wrong, you know it's. I don't know what do you feel is, or we're on the verge of. What do you think is going to happen, maybe in the next six to 12 months, like your best guesses?

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:04

oh, dear, I'm not a date setter, prophet paul, that you know. I've never been a date setter. Because I hate, I hate that. I honestly hate telling people that you better prepare, because this is just about to happen, it's around the corner let's just say.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:17

Let's just say the future, not too distant future yeah, no, I mean, I can, I can only predict, I can only make a best guess analogy, and this is not, you know, the the script as I know it, but I have plenty of ideas of what could unfold in the next few years and it's all highly dependent on where we are in the timeline of events, if you want to go off the revelation stuff as well. Um, what I've kind of been speculating about is this, this, this long-term agenda we've seen at play for a long time about the alien invasion and I was trying to figure out what does this thing fit into the overall narrative? Because the program has been there for decades, over 100 years now. You know, since that radio broadcast, you know, which says that the war of the world and all these type of things, you know, wherever people were shooting at grain towers thinking the tripods had come to invade. You know, because they thought it was a genuine news broadcast. And that was the first sign, I think, given to the controllers that people can be manipulated with this, this narrative of aliens coming to invade us, and they'll actually do stuff if we convincingly show them through media that we're under attack by aliens. So let's uh, let's roll with it, and I think they've mastered programming pretty well, prepped for an alien invasion. Now, I do think most secular-minded people who don't have any concept of anything spiritual or conspiratorial, and they're just living in the world completely oblivious. I think they're bored, they just want the aliens to turn up. I think they've been primed enough to just expect it to happen at any moment and they'll be cool with it when it does Happy, in fact. Finally, something interesting is happening. You know, I think that's what people will be at like. Apathy has got them in the end to agree with that agenda.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:53

But I've been thinking about the millennial kingdom theory. I realized this it could play out, actually, in ways that we, we didn't anticipate. And it's about that. The uh, the giant mothership, independence day style, when it rocks up or suddenly becomes visible, let's say floating over the north pole or something you know like. It's this enormous 16 000 kilometer wide thing is just floating there and suddenly the cameras get pointed to it, all the news shows on the screen. This thing's just turned up. We don't know what to do. You know, it's just an enormous mothership. And I imagine, if the little season theory is correct and the millennial reign has already happened and we're in Satan's little season, well, that means Jesus never actually left, and neither did the beloved city or New Jerusalem, which is a giant floating cube as it's been described by the book itself, the Bible. You know, new Jerusalem is basically either a giant pyramid or a giant cube of some kind, and it'll be seen by everybody once it becomes visible.

"$awbuck" Mike: 30:54

And we've kind of been programmed to believe that when something like that appears an enormous floating city or spaceship it's aliens from space come to attack us, right, and I do feel like we're on the verge of them just doing that one day, maybe in the next five years. Just aliens have turned up and we've all been prepped with project blue beam for a while to believe that they had the capacity to project a fake alien invasion, right, or something like that. And all the christians have been primed to believe oh, that's the antichrist. They're going to try and trick us with a fake Jesus or something like that, using holograms, you know, and they're going to try and trick all the Christians into believing the Second Coming's come. But really that's the Antichrist. Look out for that guy, you know. So they've already got the Christians primed to fight back against it when it does turn up the big mothership.

"$awbuck" Mike: 31:45

And they've got all the secular world people ready, with all the horror movies of alien invasions, ready to all unite as one to fight against the evil invading forces? All humanity comes together as one. Well, there's your New World Order. There's your Gog and Magog war, described in the Bible, where everybody gathers from all four corners of the earth to make war with the camp of saints as it's described. Now, how do you convince the entire earth to all drop their differences and come together as one to go fight a common enemy? It has to be something huge and I do feel like the alien invasion is the way they're going to do that. But here's the double blind that's jesus. We've all been just convinced to go and attack new jerusalem, the beloved city zion. You know, there's a floating beloved city and the camp of saints, and what comes after that is complete destruction and fire down from heaven. You know. So in the most extreme case that could happen, because as soon as you see, aliens happen. Didn't we just see an alien sighting at a shopping mall not that long ago? Police cars everywhere. What do you find? The little alien found in Mexico, or or something like that, wasn't remember. That guy looks like a paper mache little model or something like that I feel like the they've always been dropping hints, if not through mainstream media and movies and books and tv series and all that sort of thing, then in the news every now and then they'll just drop this little thing here and there, or mysterious event happens here, you know, in preparation for the coming event, and I was trying to imagine well, how would that play out then?

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:10

Because if it's jesus, he's not going to attack anybody, so how can you justify attacking it? Do you know what I mean? Where does that come from? And I realized. Well, actually, project blue beam um, they're directed energy weapons, the flying saucer, hidden technologies they probably have. You know that they're just waiting to use, which we know the Nazis were building like in the 40s. So what they have now is probably way beyond our perceptions of just winged planes with jets on them. They probably literally have flying disks ready to go. You know Well, as soon as the New Jerusalem appears, or they decide to turn the camera on the thing which has always been there and we've just been kept in the dark about it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:46

As soon as they do that, they could themselves make it look like New Jerusalem is attacking us by making flying saucers just appear everywhere and stop destroying people and attacking cities. And, who knows, maybe the Nephilim spirits, they'll find a way to get them back into the realm physically again and they'll stop. Demons will just start turning up and ripping people apart, maybe like all the alien films we see, like the tomorrow war film that just came out, where it's literally giant, white tentacled, scorpion tail, big teeth, demons just running around killing people. You know. Maybe, or the law, just the enemy, will literally just pull out everything they can to convince us that that giant mothership is responsible for all the destruction that's just occurred. Why would you think any different? But all it really is is they've staged a fake alien invasion in light of New Jerusalem now being visible. So we'll be convinced it all must have come from the mothership.

"$awbuck" Mike: 34:47

Then humanity retaliates drops, drops. Their differences all comes together, everyone, like the sand of the sea. Billions of people all come together in one war and go and go for it. And I know it sounds extreme, but the programming is heavy for this. It's everywhere, it's in everything. This is avengers endgame I'm talking about here. You know this is this, is it? This is the final war? This is the big thing, and it's not. It's in everything. This is avengers endgame I'm talking about here. You know this is this, is it? This is the final war. This is the big thing and it's not. It's not petty little squabbles over territory like in russia or ukraine that we should be keeping our eyes on. It's not all about palestinians and israel or the building of temples and all this type of stuff. These are all just orchestrated, convoluted script, hollywood scripts to make people believe they're living in tribulation or something like that, because I think if they can get us convinced of that, then they have the christians waiting for the antichrist to appear first. If the christians are still waiting for an antichrist to appear, they won't believe it's jesus when he does turn up. It does seem like something like that's happening. We do know this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:40

Um I think it was helena bavatsky started the theosophical society in the early 1900s. She had. Alice bailey was one of her students who, I think in um I think it may have been the 30s, I think it was the 40s wrote a book called the externalization of the hierarchy and in 2025, she says, the world teacher will appear. This was like 100 years ago. She said this. She said we're going to use wars and destruction and control of the media and the narrative controls to get people ready for to make the world such a terrible place that they'll need a world teacher to appear who will then teach humanity to the next stage of consciousness and enlightenment. Whether that was a red herring again now, I don't know if there actually is going to be a character that appears who claims to be jesus and has come to help us teach us things, but isn't, I don't know. But there's that as well. 2025 last I checked, is in next year.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:34

So what are they planning to do with that? You know, because the theosophical society is, is is lucis trust. It's still around today. It's heavily involved in politics and control and influence. You know, and they had a newspaper called Lucifer when it was around back in the day and it became the Lucis Trust today, and these are big think tanks that are involved in culture creation, you know. So what are they planning? What are they going to reveal? I have no idea.

"$awbuck" Mike: 36:58

Then you've got a couple in 15-minute cities as well, and the pods and the bugs and the, the, the dissolution of farmland, they've corralling everybody into cities, you know, and and it's something's going on, isn't it? And I I would hazard a guess of what agenda they're going to suddenly just play, what card they're going to play. But they have like an A to Z of like agendas they could just rock up at any moment. That will work at the moment, that the whatever's happening at the time. You know, and I do feel like Satan's on the clock, a little bit Like his time is short, his little season is a little season, if that's where we are. So when his time runs out and bam, new jerusalem appears, it's like oh, it's over. This is it now. This is the final thing. Our time's up. He'll just play whatever play, whatever script works at the time, wherever he's got the people at you know. So who knows?

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:48

But I'm I'm one of those guys who kind of I'm not, I'm not gonna get caught off guard here I want to know every possibility. I'm going to speculate every possibility to its natural conclusion to try and create some kind of holistic image in my mind. So whenever whatever does go down goes down, I'll have an idea. A rough idea enough to probably not get tricked is what I'm aiming for. But we live in the world of deception, guys. I mean, I might, I might get tricked, hopefully not. We'll see. What do you think you think is going to? What do you see the world in the next five years? What's your, what's your, what's your plan, what's your vision?

Paul Stobbs: 38:22

I don't know, man, I don't really see much of a future. I don't mean that in a bad way, I don't mean that in a negative way. I just I was just talking to my wife the other day and it's like I'm 43, and I genuinely have never been this concerned or unsure about the future. I remember being like 11, 12 years old and we had the Iraqi war, the Persian Gulf War, and I remember it was the first war that was on CNN regular TV all the time here and I remember just being so frightened as a kid like, oh shit, this could all end at any minute.

Paul Stobbs: 39:03

And then I hadn't had that feeling for a long time and then it recently came back again with all this shit with Ukraine and Israel and Russia. It's just like dude.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:12

I don't know.

Paul Stobbs: 39:13

I honestly don't have much hope, you know, yeah, I get it, I do.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:18

It's scary. I I try not to pay attention to the narratives on news and the mainstream media because it is all fear, doom and gloom, but at the same time I also know that a lot of this is just one giant play man. It's just a stage and these are all actors involved in all of this and the conflicts we see.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:35

It's it's play fighting, literally in the literal sense, and wwe yeah, I'm not sure what they're actually up to with all this if it's all about, um, changing borders or something or establishing bases in specific places for a future event. But it's all smoke and mirrors. There's some, there's something else behind all of this, the building towards something I can say that for sure I get. I get that feeling you're talking about where things felt like they would last forever when I was a kid, and right now I'm not. I'm still young and I'm like, okay, this doesn't. I don't see how much, I can't see how this can go on for much longer. I do have that feeling, you know, and this doesn't again.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:12

I know it was scary during the iraqi wars and then the second one as well, and obviously what will happen with 9-11 from there and the controls that were put on us and all that type of thing. But this it does feel different now. I feel like everybody's exhausted. I think we've all got to a bit of a point where we're kind of like I've just ended already. What is going on here? Because I mean I'm never going to own a house probably, and it's kind of I don't want to think about the future my child's gonna have. I really don't, because it it's getting weird. It's getting weird out there, you know, and I'm gonna homeschool my kid in hopes to try and do the best I can to keep them free from the indoctrinations that's to play in the schools, never mind that's. That's another thing, but it's it's. It's odd, and, but at the same time, has every generation felt like this since the beginning of time. Are we just over exaggerating and think we're special as well? I'm aware of that too, but because we're the conspiracy thinkers and we know about all these agendas at play, is it has a heightened level of like, oh no, on top of everything else, isn't it that the normies are feeling one thing worth worth seeing, like nine dimensions above it, and we're like, we're still feeling just as bad as they are. We're like, oh no, it's still bad. No matter which level of knowledge you have, it's all bad news either way, isn't it? I don't know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:24

I'm thinking maybe that's why, because it is just so crazy right now and it seems to be crescendoing. It is going to be a right play the alien card. Go, let's mix it up. Go, let's, let's mix it up. Let's just change everything. Let's just change everything that we've established prior.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:39

Um, who knows, who knows, but I think I think we're ready for something big and like, maybe this eclipse is going to be one of those like uh, the veil is just going to get so thin because of the energy of the eclipse whatever an eclipse truly is because I don't think it's really the moon going in front of the sun at this point. I don't know what's going on with that, but maybe it will like reveal kind of like a, a reality we weren't aware of, quite literally with our own eyes. Like maybe people will suddenly see the nephilim everywhere for like a second and then they'll come back, and it's kind of what happened here. Who knows? Um, but the hype around this event coming up is is weird, because I've seen hype before. I've seen hype around events before, but this one's got a odd flavor to it because I've normally in the past just been able to go. That's ridiculous. Move on like do you remember the uh zombie apocalypse of october that everyone thought was going to happen with the uh?

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:24

the alarm thing, the alarm. Do you remember that? Yeah, I got a strike for talking about that, just before the event that's, and I had to do a survey to remove the strike after three months. It would remove it if I did the survey and it was basically conforming to the mainstream narrative that certain frequencies are perfectly safe. Certain things people have put into their bodies over the past few years will not interact with frequencies. I had to do a. I agree with the current thing tick box thing, you know just to. It's like a verbal slap, mental slap on the wrist. You know what I mean. No, you crazy conspiracy theorists don't say these obviously true things. But I made a video saying this is a ridiculous move on. People aren't going to turn into zombies. And I still got a strike.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:16

And the thing is that day did come and pass. A lot of fear was hyped up about it and it was just a huge nothing burger in the end. And I, I I would safely probably say this is going to be the same thing, this is going to be the same thing, but there's definitely an impact to, to to generating that much fear. So they could easily, if enough people are hyped up enough, they can make something happen. So I think it's kind of a. It's a play, it's a back and forth here. It's kind of we give them power by paying attention to their stories. So hopefully this day passes and it was just nothing and everywhere, and it's just another one of those events that makes christians look stupid. You know, hopefully that's what that's all this is really about. At the end day it's just another boy who cried wolf situation to make people lose their faith even more. I hope that's the level of agenda that's at play with this event. It's just one of those mind control things to make people lose faith. I hope demons don't just rock up all of us Fingers crossed.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:09

But there's something about this. I feel like they're really throwing a lot of stuff together at this one. They're trying to make a lot of stuff together at this one. They're trying to make a lot of stuff stick with it. You know, with the, the cow sacrifices, the comet as well, the city names and the shape of it as it crosses over the earthquake that just happened as well. They're trying to like say, oh, this must be tribulation, right. And even then I'm like, nah, this is, this is odd. This is odd, like I'm sure, eclipses happen all the time everywhere. Why does this one particular one in america make all the difference? All of a sudden, what do you think, how do you feel about this event? What have you heard? Have you had any juicy, extra little tidbits surrounding this event, this, this apocalyptic eclipse?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:47

have you heard anything at all? I know that they're gonna do something at cern the same day too and, like you said, the red heifer, the comet, all this stuffERN is going to do another particle collision and try, and you know, open up a black hole or whatever. I see a lot of people going on about. Oh, the eclipse shapes out a Hebrew letter. This is clearly a sign from God to like I don't know, no one ever has a conclusion for it or like a direct answer. It's always just kind of like fear, speculation and, yeah, I fully anticipate it to just be another day. That comes and goes.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:17

I definitely get caught up with watching stuff on it because it's interesting and, like you said, it's kind of like we almost get bored and want something crazy to happen. What if we really did start seeing the Nephilim for a day? Yeah, it wouldn't be good, but it would break up the monotony and feeling hopeless or something like that and all of us here long time conspiracy theorist. So let's, let's even think back. I don't know. Like 2008 to 2012 ish type of time when everyone was worried about oh, the 2012, uh, the mayan calendar, the, that's going to be the end.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:45

It's going to be this that, like all the conspiracies that we thought of back then, like that we would be like, afraid of, like, oh no, they're gonna. They're gonna do fema camps. They're gonna. They're gonna get rid of currency. They're gonna make, uh, everybody take chips. They're gonna. You know, it was like things that sounded ridiculous back then seem like, oh, completely plausible now. If you could go back to like, uh, paul or mike or anyone listening out there, yeah, like I said, like 2009 ish type of time and show them what we're in right now, they would have their minds blown and be like dude, I could have never seen that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:15

Like that is ridiculous I remember the mayan calendar hype. That's. That's what got me into all of this. That was the first major, uh crazy theory I'd heard as a normie. That made me think, oh what, what have they seen? What's making them say this? You know what's going on here the world, the mayan calendar, is coming to an end and the world's gonna end. This is nuts like. So I went into it and then you saw rabbit hole connecting then don't you, and going down all different kind of warrens and ended up at the end of all these crazy theories. And that's here I am, you know, 10 years later, with my own channel talking about these things. Since that I've said it. But, uh, I remember.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:48

I remember the hype around that. I remember people believing the poles are going to shift yeah, um, and obviously nibiru is going to make it cycle back into our solar system and come close to worth as well at the same time. And people say that was wormwood and and it's kind of, the anunnaki are going to return on that day too, and we're going to become a slave class once again to mine gold for them. All this because they need gold for their atmosphere. And it was all very planetary based, you know um, mainstream science worldview, cosmological worldview, based, you know, zach, christian stuff. It seems to be based mainly on um.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:22

But I remember, I remember the tangible fear that was surrounding all of that. I remember they decided the mainstream media. What did they do? They brought out a film called 2012, which was literally just a two-hour epic of the world being utterly decimated by every possible worst case scenario you could imagine, which was just, you know tsunamis, earthquakes, meteors smashing down, huge tidal waves, cities just ripping up out of their foundations and sinking into the sea with skies, just everything, the worst case scenario. And they all survive on an arc coming whatever you know. But then then the day after tomorrow also came out around the same time, which is another end worst case scenario, and they all survive on an arc, I mean whatever. But then the Day After Tomorrow also came out around the same time, which is another end time, apocalyptic event type movie. Just to shake people up a little bit more, who are already terrified about the Mayan calendar ending, they decided to even pile more hype onto it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:10

And this is what I'm saying. This is the same thing. I'm seeing the same thing here. This is another the media's just getting on board with rolling with it because it seems to have stuck. Oh, people are scared of the end of the world, the mankind and stuff. Let's make a film about it to mess with them. And this is probably the same thing happening. It's the same thing happening right now. You know what I mean. Like, oh, people have really latched on to this coming eclipse. Oh, let's call the devil comet that's going to be revealed while we're at it. Let's sacrifice a few cows over here while we're at it as well. Let's turn Cern on. That'll really mess with them like they're really playing with us here.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:44

It's like a huge, just psychological, trauma based mind control event of some kind. And I was speculating about the demon face thing, actually, and I do think that there's something at play here to do with mass traumatizing events, because a lot of my research into the clowns revealed something very interesting about about shamans in particular, what it takes to be a shaman. And the korean mudangs are the koreans version of a very ancient shamanistic practice and belief. It's it's. It's not like shinto, buddhism or these other common beliefs. It's way older than that. It's like an archaic belief system about communicating with spirits and gods and dead ancestors. But to become a shaman or a mudang the predominantly women in that culture. Some of them are men but for some reason the predominantly women in, specifically, the, the korean version. But to be a mudang you don't choose to be a madang.

"$awbuck" Mike: 49:37

What you end up doing is suffering some extreme, brutal ptsd, causing traumatic event that you lose loved ones or go through extreme torture or something, or extreme illness and almost die in a horrific accident, with blood everywhere just the worst possible thing you can imagine. And you barely come back from the brink of the, the psychological torture it caused you. And then suddenly you can communicate with spirits and see the spirit realm. So these medangs end up finding another one who's also a medang and saying I've become a medang, the spirits have talked to me and they've told me that I'm now in control of this specific group of demons and gods and I'm supposed to be their channels. Can you train me and how to do it better?

"$awbuck" Mike: 50:19

And then they get taken under the wing by another medang and they end up being trained up in the, in the tradition, and then they get hired by rich people to come and do personal little rituals in rich people's homes where they have to channel entities and the rich people pay them to do this so they can talk to the entities through them and get knowledge and wisdom and try and deal with like loved ones, not passing through to the other side. So they believe, but they're just being messed with by demons at the end of the day. They leave sacrifices to them out of food, all sorts of stuff, but the mudang literally channels the demon and speaks as in demon talk, like spirit talk, as they call it, and the people talk to the demon while they're talking to the person, and the demon talks back to them through the Medang channel. And to prove they actually have been possessed, they have to cut themselves with these huge ceremonial blades. They stab themselves and they run blades along their tongue and they don't bleed or get cut and they heal instantly. And that's how they know right, the ritual worked. This medang is really possessed right now. Start asking questions, go for it, right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:23

But the point is to be a shaman. You have to go through extreme trauma first, you have to have been messed with on a serious psychological level and you'll find a lot of people who claim to you know, have more of a connection to the spirit realm, even the western world or things who play by demons or perhaps schizophrenic and these type of things. They usually have ptsd or something horrible going on. They have other issues, some extreme abuse as a child. It's well, it's well known in in illuminati bloodline families that the role all the children are abusedously and all the adults that we see in positions of leadership they were also abused hideously as children and they'll do the same to their children because they know if you can fracture the child's mind at an early enough age, they'll get that connection to the spirit realm. They'll be able to communicate with demons more readily and that's why they do it. That's the point. They torture children in these families to make them more eyes, more open, open that third eye, shall we say, or whatever you want to call it. So they have that, more of that, so they become shamans by any stretch of the imagination.

"$awbuck" Mike: 52:28

And I think it's funny because when this news came out about this new disorder just just discovered in 2014 and finally formalized, we have now have 81 official people who have come forward with this new condition demon face syndrome, where they can see demon faces on people and it's just happened all of a sudden and I'm wondering well, is this happening now all of a sudden, because we've been traumatized on a mass scale, especially since 2020 and what they did to us then and the isolation people were put under and the, the, the fear, the loss of loved ones, the intense fear of just breathing anywhere, you know, and going, leaving their homes. People have bought into them the narrative of, of ultimate fear and not to mention what they ended up doing to themselves out of that fear, through compliance, you know, but that's just one thing. But then this constant cycle of end of the world events and trauma and it just I think people have really messed up. Now. I think, like the, the brains have been rewired from this constant fear of losing everything at any moment, living in in constant survival mode.

"$awbuck" Mike: 53:31

You know, with this, this, the doom and gloom cycle, the news cyclist, I think it's finally taken its toll on collective humanity in the Western world and maybe people are going to start seeing into the spirit realm more because of it, and people are going to start noticing demon faces a lot more because of this mass trauma that's been implemented on us for decades and they're just starting to cover stories for it now, in preparation for when more and more people start reporting, seeing this and I'm wondering is it because of the mass social trauma we've had to go through for so long that we're going to start seeing people who can claim to see demons everywhere? Because they can, because they've just had done to them what these shamans have done to them. They've had enough trauma to be to finally have their brain cracked. And that's what happens.

"$awbuck" Mike: 54:17

And you can look at scans of people who have been through child abuse or serious abuse. The parts of the brain just switch off. You can get scans of activity and they don't have like frontal lobe activity, like a normal, healthy person. Abuse physically changes your brain chemistry. You become a different person because of it and you you start to be more connected to the spirit realm because of it as well. And, um, maybe this explains why, why people are seeing demon faces. So there's a little theory I've come up with based on my research. What do you think?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:50

of that for sure. That checks out. A lot of people had their brains broken in the past four years or so, and it might have caused some people to wake up. It might have caused, uh, another large group of people to completely bury their head in the sand even more. And then there's definitely the percentage of people who, yeah, probably did encounter some sort of like ptsd or, yeah, like make it very traumatic for them to be hit with all that out of nowhere, without really being aware of it, and whether it was losing their job or losing loved ones, or just always being afraid of all the next stupid thing in the media that's dreamed up to scare us and turn us against each other. And, yeah, no, that's. That's a really interesting theory.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:27

I think that's true, though I think there's something to that yeah, because people I don't know people are trying to say, oh, you know the veil's thinning, or something like that. I think it's more personal. I think I think everyone's reality is slightly different based on things like this. You know, to what level have people got the ability to see the spirit realm? That all depends on the individual and how much they've been broken or how many drugs they're taking. Basically, and you have to remember as well you know especially america. You're such a heavily medicated people, you are so heavily medicated. Over there there's giving Prozac out like mints you know what I mean and Ritalin and all these type of things. It's like it's not quite like that. In England it's a little bit different. It's a lot harder to get those things.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:09

Not much, just a little bit harder. But I think you've got more of a money-based system based on selling drugs to people through doctors. It's just a highly corrupt system that I wouldn't be surprised that people are just tripping all the time as well, and that maybe that's why people are just seeing these things. Maybe it isn't, maybe the trauma isn't always necessary, but, uh, I do think there's something to be said for the, the mass, the mass fear propaganda that's been put onto us over the past two decades at least, especially since, you know, 9-11. That's when it began. That was it. That's when people had the world shaken. Nobody's safe. Everyone was put into that, into the back of their minds. From then on, at any moment, we could just get attacked from anywhere, and that ruined everything. I think we're seeing the side effects. I definitely think we're seeing the long-term psychological side effects. So, yeah, anyway, that's all I have to say.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:58

Do you have any questions? Do you want to take that anywhere else? Any more current events, because I do fall behind on current events. So I like these podcasts where people can tell me what's going on. To be honest, what else have we got?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:09

The P Diddy the Paul.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:11

Allen.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:12

Brian Garcia, the boxer. Do you know about him?

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:15

No, yeah, there is that Ryan Garcia the boxer. Do you know about him? No, Fill me in. I don't follow celebrity culture. I'm so old, so you're going to have to tell me this one. Go ahead.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:20

So there's a boxer and he's pretty young too. He's probably like early 20s. I think a lot of us are under the understanding that if you are like a top person, whether it's in media or art or music or athletes, whatever no one's susceptible from like being uh part of this whole uh, I guess, cabal or whatever, like being blackmailed and pulled into kind of like uh, occult clubs and stuff so you can be successful in this boxer. He's been recently like going off before like all this pd and other like human trafficking stuff was going on. So this was maybe like a month ago that he was like ranting, like he went on like a twitter live or something.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:57

He's like I was at bohemian grove like these people like they were, you know, abusing kids, they were making me watch, like they did all this. Like they're coming after me like and he's like talking about jesus, like I don't care, though they can come after me, I have jesus, I I'm not uh, you know, I'm not one of them and stuff like that and uh, everyone's like, oh, he's a boxer, he's just got brain damage, he's on a bender, he's doing a lot of drugs, even though everything he's talking about has already been verified as being real, and it just serves to make it look more crazy for anyone that believes him or tries to talk out about it. It's like, oh, he's going schizo, he's got CTE, and then, literally a couple weeks later, the pd thing comes out, which, again, it's nothing new to anyone who knows about this type of stuff. It's basically just like they throw somebody under the bus once in a while and make it look like oh see, uh, we got rid of that problem, whether it was like epstein or now pd or whoever.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 58:49

Maybe they owed him money, maybe they double crossed somebody, so then they, they throw them under the bus. But realistically, all of them have probably participated in some sort of ritual or abuse or whatever, just for the sake of the blackmail. Like, if they get you to do something like that and they film it, now you've got to play by their rules or they're going to, you know, throw you under the bus.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:07

Well, yeah, that is the rule. They have to get something on you for you to be in on it. So you have to go to the parties, you have to go to the behind the scenes things that you has to be filmed and you have to take part, and then you know they've got you. Basically, that's it. That's it. They've got you forever and it's that mutual agreement that we all have something on each other. Nobody's safe. You have to go along with us now you're in in this, whether you like it or not, but they make it worth your while. They give you a lot of power and influence and money and that type of thing on top of that. Uh, some people don't care because they love doing the horrible things and they're in on it and they're happy to be on it. Some people, like said more coerced and blackmailed into it because their pride and their desire for fame outweighed their moral choice making at that point.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:51

And you get to that point eventually, probably, where it's kind of especially musicians I mean, musicians are just useful idiots at the end of the day. They're nothing special like to the controllers, and it's kind of you have to remain useful. As soon as you're no longer useful, then they'll kill you. They don't need you. You're just a liability then. So are you going to be useful or are you going to be a liability as a musician? You know, and that's why you see all these uh old rock bands that's still playing and performing the crappy satanic music well into their 80s. It's like just die already. Just retire. Have you not made enough money yet? Are you not like multi-billionaires? You really have to keep doing this, playing the same songs forever and ever until you die like? You're not just go age gracefully and enjoy your family and your grandchildren. Instead you're on another tour around the world for another year. It's like just stop, just stop already. And you realize they can't stop. They made the deal. They have to remain useful, like. And as soon as they stop being useful, as soon as they stop spreading the message and singing the songs and maintaining the brainwashing propaganda through the repetition, then the, the controllers have no use for them anymore and they will just get rid of them because they know too much. They know too much, you reliability. Now I can't. You've seen too much. I can't have you being retired and saying stupid shit on your deathbed. I can't have you doing that. I can't have you writing your memoirs or or this type of thing. So it's kind of, you keep performing the songs, you keep doing what we're telling you to do until you die of a heart attack on the toilet or something. Either way, you have to remain useful. As soon as you become a liability, then you get, like I said, thrown under the bus or killed or murdered. So this is more of the same and what I've just said there. More of the same and what I've just said there. You can apply that to pretty much every major celebrity death. You know that's what's happened. You know that's what's happened to them. You know, and it's it's, it's really sad, isn't it? I just did.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:42

I just did a rant actually on on magic and how magic actually works and how the music industry works as well. So, um, I could maybe rehash a bit of that rad for you guys here now in a way, but it's one of these things I kind of I don't talk enough about on the channel. I would say that I need to start talking about this more used to be a huge focus for what I used to talk about, but I got a little bit distracted with the clowns, you know, and the other things. So maybe I'm going to start bringing it back to talking about just how what the occult really is, because there's this huge, massive hollywood misconception of what magic is in a lot of people's minds. I think some people really do believe that magic is sparkles flying out of the end of wands. I think that's what they actually think. Magic is Opening portals by spinning your arms or something like this or something. You know what I mean. They actually think that's what it is and it's it's way scarier than that in a in a subtle way. It's not. It's not sunshine, lollipops and focusing your chi and making things blast out of your hands. You know it's not. That's not magic. You know, and that's why people say, oh, magic isn't real, because they can't see examples of the hollywood examples in front of them. Of course, magic's not real. No one's doing these things or levitating or doing like that. Magic isn't't real. You know, because, like I said, hollywood has tricked people into not really knowing what magic is.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:03

Magic is words. Magic is art. That's it. That's the secret. People need to realise this quickly. It's actually quite obvious once you realise the techniques used against us.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:15

Magic is the ability to make people do things without ever touching or speaking to them directly. That's witchcraft. Right, casting a spell and doing the right incantations. An incantation is a rhyme, is a rhythm bippity, boppity, boom, abracadabra. All right, these are. That's music. That's the hint, that's the hollywood joke, towards the truth of what it is.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:40

Making a rhythm and a rhyme and slapping words together in rhythmic order is how you get into people's brains, is how you influence them. That's the hinting at it in the disney cartoons to what magic actually is. It's language, it's words. I can say things and influence people to do stuff. That's magic. That's what the occult practice of magic actually is, and it doesn't sound as fantastical when I say it out loud, but its results are extremely powerful when utilized correctly. So you know, to spell a word is to cast a spell. That's how it works. Know, and broadcast media is a broad casting of a spell. They've cast it on a broad spectrum. You know they are casting out a broad spell over everybody. You know it's a broad net that they're encapsulating everybody into the spell of. And you get emergency broadcasts. It's an emergency magic spell to keep people under the illusion they want to create. It's illusion.

Paul Stobbs: 1:04:43

It's smoke and mirrors that's why a tv show is called a program because they're programming you absolutely, yeah, that's art.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:50

Art is magic in any form or any media, and it has the power to be good and bad. Sure, you could argue that you know? Whatever god's a creator, he's an artist, you know, and we're made in his image. We have the same capacity and ability to create ourselves, and people have abused the knowledge of these sacred sciences for their own purposes. That's what's happened. Okay, and the people have all the knowledge, or, let's say, own all the industries which have the ultimate resources to utilize the magic, which is the media industry, let's say you know. Or the education industry, where people read their books, learn their songs, learn their talents, their crafts, their skills, the education systems. You know, they own all the sciences you know and, as a way, that's they own the magic. The source to all magic and art is is the tool. That's how it's done. You know and, as a way, that's they own the magic. The source to all magic and art is is the tool. That's how it's done, you know. Like magic wands, for example.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:43

The hollywood is basically based on the hollywood wands that people use, but at the same time, a wand is just a direction stick. It's a thing. You point at things because that's where you want to take people's direction. That's where you want their attention to go. That's what a's for. So a guy who's at a whiteboard using a stick to point to things. He's using a wand to direct your attention. Okay, and that's all it is. That's the joke. You know, the wand doesn't have any power in of itself. Because it's a stick. It's worth pointing it to. It gives them authority to make your eyes move over there. It gives them authority to make your eyes move over there. And Hollywood is the metaphorical stick pointing in the direction of where they want to send your attention. They create the attention getters the movies, the films, the programs, the scripts. They're directing your eyesight and thoughts and feelings and emotions towards something. They are the wand, they are the Hollywood. You know, that's basically all it is, and it's not as fantast fantastical. It's actually more nefarious and subtle than we could ever imagine. So I'm not saying, for example, every bit of artwork is evil. Not at all. I'm an artist and a musician myself. Okay, but you have to test the spirits, and that literally means you have to listen to the words of a song, for example, or interpret the meaning that the artist told you what a painting or image or piece of artwork or movie is actually about. Then you're going to watch the thing and say, does that actually match up to what they're talking about or is there subtle hidden stuff in this? Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:09

There's some good, genuine, talented musicians out there with fantastic music that's actually uplifting for humanity and actually really good and fascinating and talented and brilliant in its message and positive. But this that's not what's in the charts. More often than not that's not the one that gets played on the radio over and over again on loop. Okay, what it usually is is controlled, orchestrated media on there and you look at the charts any chart anywhere in the world you get us charts, uk charts, the top 40, uk charts, the top 40s, whatever it is and you have to wonder where did this musician just come from? I've never heard of them before. And suddenly this is the pinnacle of humanity's creation process that they get to be played on the radio at the number one spot for a month nonstop. This is the best humanity has to offer.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:53

You know Beyonce singing in a Texan accent. This is it. This is the pinnacle of human creation. You've got to be joking, right? This is some cheap simulacrum of true country music, like who decides, who gets to decide what is and isn't good music, and it's all control and orchestrated because these are designed spells. These are designed pieces of magic that they want to influence people with, and there's. We have to always question the intent behind something. And you just listen to the lyrics, because a lot of people who get caught up in the spell of music they don't actually listen to the words being sung to them. They're too busy listening to the nice melody and getting caught up with how pretty it sounds. But listen to the words. It might sound really pretty, but they're basically telling you to do the worst possible things for yourself and live a terrible life, just sounding nice while they say it. And that's how they get the magic in and people need to learn this like this. This is the secret, this is, this is the. This is what the occult wisdoms really are. That's, that's practical human magic used to influence people. That's what a spell is. It's getting in someone's mind and creating influence.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:02

There is the other side of magic, which is demonic in nature and it's quite literally making contracts with demons for strength, knowledge, power, wisdoms, things like this, and their contractual deals made through it, through ritual, and that's a lot what I get into in my work about wearing costumes to channel things, and you know, I feed the demon, I let it use my senses to experience stuff and in return I get the strength of ten men or something, or I get the ability not to get cut by a blade or stabbed or whatever it is. There's usually some transaction involved. That's a different kind of magic. You know that's more of the spiritual side of magic. You know that that's more of the. That's the spiritual side of magic. But all magic on that side it's just contracts with demons. That's where it comes from.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:45

There's nothing else to it. It's not because that person who's levitating over there knows how to levitate. There's literally just an invisible giant picking him up that you can't see. You know what I mean. It's just there's no power in of his on, of his own volition or talent or skill, and uh, that's another. That's another type of magic and that's the more fantastical type.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:10:05

Uh, people who can predict the future, people who can know all these things about you without ever knowing anything about you sure you could say it's cold reading and just explain it away with. You know, they just have clever word choices and have influenced you to give away stuff without you realizing it, or there's a demon whispering in their rear stuff about you that that demon knows because it's followed you for your entire life. And that's the deal. You get to look really smart and powerful and intelligent and, like you, have magical powers. The demon gets to use you and you make sacrifices to it on a regular basis so it can enjoy things through the two types of magic that exist. That's what it truly is. How did I make that happen?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:10:43

magic, magic magic I I agree in pretty much all forms of entertainment and like it's crazy when you look to I don't think there's a single sport around that wasn't invented by like freemasons, or at least like the rule set and, like you know, I'm sure the sports go way back before too, but a lot of them are even, you know, homages to the gods or like if you lose or you win, like sometimes it was the winners who would be sacrificed. Like because they it was like a privilege to be sacrificed to the gods if you won in some like Aztec game or something, or like baseball, football, uh, basketball, everything like all these games, like when you look at it, are made by Freemasons and designed to kind of be a ritual itself for everybody to watch. You got the people wearing all their logos and the word fan fanatics. That's their religion. They'll say, oh, my game day ritual and stuff like that. It really is more important than anything to them.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:36

Some people's sports teams or just being a fan is like their whole identity and they would have no idea that. They're kind of like giving their energy over to a magic ritual and like that's mainly what I do. I have a video on my uh youtube channel about how wrestling is a spiritual ritual, like it's done in a circle, like pretty much you're always cast in a circle and all these occult things or whatever, and it goes back to like honoring the gods, or you had jacob wrestling with god in the bible and just pretty much all these sports have a spiritual undertone and it's like widely viewed by millions of people, regularly just being influenced without even knowing sports, for example, is a lot like uh porn.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:15

Is that's that the magic at play? There is wasted potential. They're trying to get people to waste their energies on useless things, and that's what those rituals are for the energy draining rituals. They're not to empower anything or anybody really. Um, it's to make you waste your time and that's basically, that's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:12:34

That's that's the magic at play there, that's the true magic, that's the influence they're playing at. Otherwise fit powerful men who you know, perhaps family working men, who are down to earth, salt of the earth type men, are instead fascinated over a ball being moved around a football pitch and being kicked into a net right rather than, you know, building strong communities and being strong examples for children, all these the things that people need to do to keep a cohesive society.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:03

It's about wasting that, that energy and that power and that potential and something trivial and useless and that's entertainment at the end. That's all entertainment ever is, which is why, again, I said at the beginning of this, I don't really follow any of it. I switched off a long time ago and I've never actually liked sports. I I, my, my dad is was very disappointed in me that I didn't care about football as I grew up. I'm just not interested in kicking a ball around. I just, I just never saw the point like it was never in my mind to understand how anybody was interested in any of this. I've just never been that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:13:37

The closest thing I got to enjoying any kind of I say sports extremely loosely here, because it's a game, not a sport is snooker like and pool, you know things like that, and that's the only one I ever really enjoyed slaying, but I never followed it. I didn't watch the tournaments or anything like that, you know, and that's as close as I got to any kind of sport. I was just not interested and as I grew up, I've always had that mindset of watching these people do these things. I could never understand it until I started learning about all the occult stuff and it did all kind of click into place. Hand the waste that goes into, the energy that goes into obsessing over these idols that they've created, which is their team, their, their team, and that team over there is the bad team and mine's the good team and it's just. It's just an odd tribal way of being and and I've heard all the the excuses of how it's actually a good thing, like, well, you know, it gives people a release from the pressures of reality.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:14:42

Who are you to say what is and isn't good and what people should and shouldn't enjoy with their time and all that, and I still, I just can't get on board with it. It's a huge waste of time on like a mass scale, and not to mention the money involved with all of this stuff as well. Like these people get paid millions, millions of money. It's a money hole. It's a huge money hole and it is again, in a way, is, if you want to see it as ritual, it's well, while we're getting more and more international debt, people are homeless and starving and all the bad things, yet we were happy for all this wealth to be invested into trivial nonsense.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15:21

That, in its own right, is a part of the ritual, something about that. It just adds to the nefarious nature of the whole thing, from my opinion. Um, but you know, you've got me, you've got me on another rant there or something else. Like people take it very personally when you attack their sports team. Oh, they do, it's a personal attack, it's not just, they can't detach themselves from, from, from entertainment, you know, and um, it's like a religion anyway, it really is it really is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:46

And uh, something you said kind of relating sports to porn. I, I feel like that is true because you're like living through someone else. Yeah, like you said, like maybe some like strong or fit men of you know honor or integrity or whatever they're they're now putting all that into like oh yeah, my team like look at this guy, Like they're they're trying to live through some other, like athletic person or porn. You're watching someone else have sex and trying to like live through that. Or it's even like now one of the most popular like forms of content for kids is like watching someone else play a video game, watching another kid play with toys. It's really weird. It's like conditioning us to just be happy with an artificial version of something especially with the virtual reality headsets coming on as well.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:27

That's changing the game, especially for the porn industry. I imagine that's seriously changing the game.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:31

No one's gonna leave the house anymore, you know it's again wasted potential, isn't it?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:36

I played a lot of video games growing up too. You know I was in it. I was there with the technologies it developed. So I was, I was obsessed with gaming. I was a first person shooter guy. You know what I mean. I was really I was into that, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:16:46

And and if I look back on the, the hours I have spent playing those things and I think it's a waste when in hindsight, it's an absolute waste of time and I enjoyed every minute of it while it was happening. Don't get me wrong, but it like I still regret wasting that time, regardless of whether I enjoyed it or not. Like it's, and my xbox is actually um sat there under the tv and it hasn't moved from that spot in three years. It's not even plugged in anymore and there's cheerios shoved in the disc rack from my two-year-old just trying to grab it, putting stuff in there, because I I don't have time as a father, first of all, and I don't want to like it because I I know what I'm like as soon as I turn it on. I'm on it then for months.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:28

It's like an addiction. It's that type of thing. So I'm gonna get rid of the thing. I'm probably not gonna buy another console for the rest, for the rest of my life. Now I spent so many hours on that thing. Part of me has this feeling inside. It's like, well, you need to keep playing the game so you can see what the latest propaganda is. But I can just watch a video for that now, because everyone's streaming it everywhere just watch someone else, do it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:17:48

Yeah, I can watch someone else do it, or I could just quickly get the synopsis off wikipedia or something. It doesn't really matter anymore. But uh, what the gist I got from the end of it all is all just anti-god, gnostic nonsense. Every little bit of it is all about transhumanists, um, superpowers, um, you know, killing people and gnostic alternatives to reality and spiritualism, things like dark souls and stuff like that, or twists and parodies on christian theology, making god out to be the bad guy and humanity has to kill him. That's generally what every single video game has ever been about, ever one of those topics, and it's just another controlled industry as far as I'm concerned. But again, it's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:18:26

It's all just a part of wasting your potential. I mean on porn, not only the bike you're living vicariously through other people thing you know like, and but it's also the masturbation aspect of it makes you well, you're not actually doing the thing in real life anymore. You're wasting your your life pursuing your real wife and family and that type of thing and actually procreating, because you're artificially satisfying your neuronic neurons and your brain and tricking it into thinking you've already done all those things, just the same thing drugs do to you. Eventually you believe you're getting something wonderful from it, and, but it's just making it lonely and more isolated, more caught from reality, weird. It's making you weird so people don't want to be around you. You know, all these things do the same thing, and magic is the industry of wasting your time. And so, no, no, guys, it's been great talking to you.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:19:12

Thanks for having me back on, um, we'll do it we'll do it again sometime, absolutely I'm always, but maybe when the book gets released I'll I'll read a chapter or something it's paul stabs.

Paul Stobbs: 1:19:21

That is the very first guest that we've had on the show multiple times, paul stabs, this was cool too, because it was different than all of his other interviews, because it wasn't, you know, 90 percent fucking clowns, nephalos. And that was your idea, tom. That was your idea to take it in that direction, and I think he was really happy to to do it yeah, I mean, the guy's been writing a book about it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:19:44

He's been running the channel based on that. He's done the round on like every single podcast, which is good. He's getting his work out there. He's he's doing what he, you know, fell in line to do and uh just giving the whole clown spiel over and over and over, and I followed his work a lot. So, yeah, he does other topics too, like the millennial reign or whatever, and has a uh nice live series where he'll just interact with his chat and stuff. But yeah, he's a knowledgeable guy. He's uh smart, got a lot to speculate on and say, and he even says he liked the conversations too, because he doesn't really get to to check on other like conspiratorial type of stuff. He kind of relies on others to see that uh, what's been happening or whatever and what's currently uh being broadcast to everybody and sometimes I do the same. You use like the reactions of people around you as like a a filter to see like what is being pushed no doubt it was a breath of fresh air for him, I think I think he really appreciated it.

Paul Stobbs: 1:20:41

You could tell. Eventually we will have him on for the third time and he'll be our first returning third guest when the book comes out.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:20:50

Yeah, you want to get in touch with us. Let's hear what you got to say. Any recommendations? We're here for it.

Paul Stobbs: 1:20:57

No doubt you got to say any recommendations. We're here for it, no doubt. And I will say the last thing about paul stops is we, uh, really appreciate the crossover fan base because what I had noticed, within maybe eight to ten hours after the podcast, we had about a dozen new subscribers to the youtube channel and the metrics look like that was all from that, from Paul's crossover audience. So, thank you. You guys can get a hold of us the usual ways social media platforms X, instagram, pretty much all the social medias at Two Truth Seekers, or you can get me at Sawblock, mike or Tom at Headhunter Higgins. You can give us an email at conspiracyandchillyahoocom.

Paul Stobbs: 1:21:41

Any suggestions, whatever, like Tom said, hit us up. You can be one of the very first members of the Conspiracy and Chill Syndicate. Go to Patreon. You can help us out for as little as $3 a month. If you want to, don't have to, but if you do, hit the little support the show button on whatever platform you're listening to us on, and if you want to help out but don't have money, that's cool too. Hit us with the five-star review, because we really do notice that you guys are doing it and we really do appreciate it because no bullshit. Tom and I are just two genuine guys trying to make this happen and we really fucking do appreciate it. So thank you guys so much.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:22:22

Share the show, send it to any of your friends who might be skeptical. On some of these topics that we've covered, and I think we've had some rational sounding conversations, especially with dudes like Paul. Even though it's crazy topics and outlandish claims, in a way, like the calm, clear presentation, with knowledge and strings to connect, make a pretty good and compelling episode. Nobody's really, uh, reaching for those grapes, as you'd say no, nobody is reaching for those grapes.

Paul Stobbs: 1:22:48

But if I was gonna reach for grapes I would do it on my brand new roof, because your boy has a brand new roof and you know what else my new roof is good for. I could stand on top of it and peep the scene for those chesters, because you know you always have to stay away from child molesters. Thank you.