#22 | "Headhunter" Higgins & "$awbuck" Mike | Flat Earth, DNA, and Past Lives | "NASA Consumes More Helium Than Anyone"

Grasp the complexities of Flat Earth theory with a critical eye on ancient maps, mysterious airline routes, and the enigma of constellations that defy our modern understanding of the cosmos. Engage with the perplexing debate over Earth's rotation, the credibility of space travel, and the provocative possibility of a radiation dome underpinning our celestial dome, challenging the very fabric of accepted scientific paradigms.

Feel the shiver down your spine as we traverse the shadowy realm of the spiritual and the extraterrestrial, where invoking powerful names evokes startling reactions from entities beyond our world. Guests share firsthand encounters with the unexplainable, weaving tales of alien abductions, spiritual battles, and the controversial figure of Phil Schneider, whose stories blur the lines between fact and fiction. We probe the influence of the sacred and the profane, wrestling with the nature of faith amidst a secular society, and even tipping our hats to the late great George Carlin, who so brilliantly dissected the quirks of language and belief.

Finally, we step up to the plate and examine the possibility of America's pastime—baseball—being laced with masonic undertones, a Gnostic journey that mirrors the soul's quest through the innings of life. With a touch of humor and an eye for the arcane, we ponder the sport's spiritual symbolism and its unique disposition among games. Uncover the threads of mysticism woven into the very fabric of America's complex history, as we confront the potential influence of secret societies from the nation's inception. 

Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:06

Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive. It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:19

We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity. The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:33

It's obvious the aliens are god-fearing, insanely huge. Or just one planet? They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead sheathing in order to get through the 25 000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill. The nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. The bulldog ball I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party, at a point in uh.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:15

In the united states, the global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast welcome to another conspiracypiracy and Chill. I am Mike Strauss, former MMA journalist, former dope fiend, lifelong truth seeker and my co-host with the co-mostest is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:34

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"$awbuck" Mike: 1:41

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"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:48

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"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:50

Conspir, but if you wanted to shoot us an email, you can do that too. Conspiracy in chile, yahoocom, fucking flat earth. It's weird too to think on the ball earth, like where does it start? And reset. Like on this side it might be fucking the 31st and it's like 1 am, and then on this side it's like fucking uh, I don't know how big the gap goes, but you know what I'm saying, that it's all. And on this side it's just next to it, but it's uh, 12, 59, uh or no, it's 12 pm. You know what I'm saying. And on this side it's just next to it, but it's 1259, or no, it's 12 pm. You know what I'm saying? Because Ireland is like six hours ahead of us and then even more over here, let's say, in Asia, they're like 12 hours ahead of us. So then what happens when you get to the very edge? Does it go back to like they're 23 hours ahead of us? So then it's like what?

"$awbuck" Mike: 3:22

the fuck. That's so weird. It just resets. Yeah, it is very weird. You know, I've obviously I've looked into Flat Earth. You know, I remember Eric Dubé's 200 Proofs or whatever. I think it was 200 Proofs. Can't even find that video now, I don't think. You know, I explored it and at first I was. I don't want to say I was on board, but at first I was on board, but at first I was really open to it and the more I looked into it, the more I realized it was just my own personal incredulity. And for those of you who don't know what that means, it basically means that I'm too fucking stupid to understand what's really going on. Like I believe in my fair share of conspiracies, but I definitely believe we live on a ball, because I don't think that we are the only exception out there. That's when I have a hard one, hard time with you know like there is things that make me wonder.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:17

I will entertain it, to be honest, because, like you, I believe in a lot of wild shit and I'm very skeptical of what we're taught and told and what you said. I've heard a lot of people say like well, how come all the other planets are round and this and that, but ours is? Uh, ours is the only flat one. But here's the thing that gets me like well, how do we even know the other ones are balls. All we have is the fucking pictures from nasa, who fucking faked. The moon landing was started by nazis, is run by freemasons like their fucking track record is pretty terrible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:48

So, like I don't even want to take their fucking word for it with the cgi pictures. Until I see a fucking pic, uh, of the planet, uh, mars or you know, venus or whatever, through a telescope with my eyes and I could see that it is a literal, uh, ball, solid structure planet, then I don't know, I can't say one way or the other. And uh, some people think that the planets, or like the, the stars and the heavenly bodies, if you will, aren't solid things that you can land on, that they're more like yeah, projection energy.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:17

A ball, yeah, like a ball out there in space, that it like on some astrology shit that it it is like an aspect of uh like reality or consciousness or something in a way.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:25

And that's like when some astrology shit that it it is like an aspect of uh like reality or consciousness or something in a way. And that's like when we talked to matt slap about saturn and the elites worshiping saturn, that it's more so just like a body, like a I don't even know how to really describe it like a, a fixed ball of energy out in space that has its own you know attributes and uh like aspects to it and like symbolism and like the ancients knew about it, whether they assigned these attributes to those bodies or, like you know, these constellations and these planets and these fucking stars and stuff really do have like an effect on what goes on down here. And I don't know. That would kind of make sense to me and I can't say one way or the other just to play uh in favor of a flat earth if they didn't go to the moon and, like I said, not uh, nasa being nazi space agency and freemason space agency doesn't really uh speak to their credibility and uh, yeah, I don't know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 6:24

I I wish I had the fucking answer, but I don't no, no, no doubt, man, I agree with some of what you said, but the thing is, I've seen planets with my own eyes, like with telescopes, with phones, and I've seen them. You could see them rotate. So it's like I I can't touch it, I can't tell you it's solid, but it looks like a ball, it smells like a ball, it acts like a ball and I can see it rotating. So there's no reason for me to think it's not. You mentioned the ancients. That's why we have these planets, have the names they do, because they all correspond to their gods. You know Mars, mercury, venus.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:02

Saturn, jupiter, saturn, jupiter.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:05

They're all they all coordinate to. You know, the ancients, god, so as far back as we could tell. Anyway, you know, the planets have always been idolized to a degree. I don't trust NASA, but I don't know man. I just have a hard time with the flat earth one, like you know, mainly because a lot of the things that these flat earthers say is just either flat out a lie and they know it and they're propagating a lie, and it's like the only reason why you would propagate a lie is because you know you have a weak argument. So it's like you catch a lot of them doing that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 7:45

Like they like to say no one could go to Antarctica. Well, that's not true. Have you looked into it or have you just regurgitated that? Because that's not true. You can go to Antarctica. You can go. You will not be killed. You can walk around. You will die, but you can do it. Do I think something weird is going on in antarctica? Yeah, but I just think that when people tell all these lies, it makes me second guess, you know I don't know, man, like you said, I don't fucking have the answers, I don't know I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:15

Something else too is, uh, when it comes to the antarctica. So I know a lot of the flat earthers earth model considers antarctica to be a wall of ice surrounding like the known continents that we have. So, like, if you think about it, on a ball, anytime you go South from, like no matter where you are say you know, south America, south Africa, australia, uh, you know, just start going South from there on a ball, like, yeah, you're going to hit that. Start going south from there on a ball, like, yeah, you're gonna hit that ice continent, antarctica. But if you've like flattened it out, just imagine a ring of ice around every continent, you know, and that's what the flat earthers propose. So then, like, if everything is squished flat and you think you're on a ball, so like maybe you're not actually going south if we are on a flat earth, maybe you're going west or north or east, if we're just looking at it from above on a flat thing, but you're still hitting that ice and you're just made to think like you're hitting the bottom of a ball, but you're really just hitting ice in all directions surrounding us, like we're in a little like dish or something and the only reason I would think that that would maybe be a thing and they would try to hide from us.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:21

Is maybe the inner earth like caverns, like there's there's entrances in there where you can go to some like a subterranean place, or maybe there's ways like there's like little entrances through those? You know, the outer edge of the ice wall and past that is like way more continents and that's where extraterrestrials or giants or agartha or these other like super advanced civilizations and could be coming from and think about it like if there was other continents and other lands, like they wouldn't want us to know about it. They'd rather keep us on these ones where they could, fucking, you know, keep us controlled and keep us paying taxes and keep us in the matrix and whatever else, instead of being like you know what. No, fuck that I'm gonna. I'm gonna go past the ice wall and we're gonna go explore these other crazy continents. Or maybe there's some dangerous ass shit out there or that's where people have gone after certain resets or cataclysms. I don't know. I'm just going off of what I've seen from other people and speculating, but that shit is interesting for sure.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:17

Yeah, no doubt, dude, and you know, just have a balanced perspective on things. You know, play the other side, piggybacking off of what you were saying about, like the flat earth map. I absolutely understand how the flat earth map works and a lot of I guess you could say globers, you know, because they call them that they, um, they just don't, they can't understand how, oh what do you mean? How does it work on a flat? You, you're going, always going. No, if you, if you understand what they're trying to tell you with the flat earth map, what they're saying, it doesn't make sense. Like you said, you can be going to the right and technically be going south, and you know it's tricky and it's weird and it's nuanced, but their map does work.

"$awbuck" Mike: 10:56

One of the things that always kind of makes me second guess it again is they're the flat earthers argument with the plane routes, and you know some of that is what's the word? Compelling? Some of that is compelling. You know I haven't, to be fair, I haven't looked into the reasons why. Maybe there's reasons why they take those routes. But yeah, going back to what you were saying, you know we had Brooks Agnew on and he was talking about, you know, inner earth civilizations and possibly towards the North Pole or the South Pole. There could be, he thinks. Most likely that would be where an opening is to, where you know, like you mentioned, maybe, some inner earth civilizations or, if you go beyond that, you know, ag Gartha or fucking Captain, was it Cook, the one that took the flight Admiral Byrd.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:49

Admiral Byrd, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 11:50

Admiral Byrd, he spoke about all that shit, so I don't know man who the fuck knows what's out there. I just we can't trust the people that we're supposed to trust.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:01

The other thing too like to get back to, like I was saying, nasa's, all Freemasons and literal nazis and shit like that, but like, if you go far enough back, like all the stuff to do with our cosmology, whether it's us, you know, rotating around the sun rather than, you know, the earth being the center of the universe, where, like, everything revolves around the earth, whether it's the moon and the sun and the constellations and shit, or the earth literally being round instead of flat, like when they used to think it was flat. Most, if not all of like the historical, like founding fathers of science, if you want to call them them, those dudes were fucking masons too. Or they were like Jesuit Vatican priests and I know, like the priests used to be, like you know, some of the main people of science and shit. But again, very uh sketchy organizations known for lying and deceiving and uh trying to manipulate things behind the scenes for power and control are the ones that are giving us these narratives and changing the uh belief of the time, because, like you know, I've gotten more into christianity and the bible and stuff like that as of late and uh, that cosmology is basically a flat earth, or at least a fixed point that has a firmament around it, and some people speculate that that is like a dome, like we're on a flat thing and there's a dome around it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:21

Some people consider that like the van allen radiation belt, even if they are, you know, believing that it's a, a ball, the thing that I like to laugh at just because it sounds funny to to make fun of.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:32

But when you do think about it it is crazy. But again, I don't know how all the laws of physics and everything of the realm we live in works, but to think that we are on a ball, a water ball that is spinning around, you know, rotating in a circle at the. The numbers are crazy too, dude. I think it's 66 600 miles an hour, so 666 right there, miles an hour. Even in the thing that they did that, there's a bunch of things that add up to 666. I'll pull it up in a second because I know I have an image of it, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. But so we're rotating around in one direction incredibly fast and we are also rotating around the sun at however many millions of miles an hour, and then our galaxy is supposedly shooting through space at however many millions of miles per hour, that sounds fucking nutty right and I'm like, yeah, I don't, I don't know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:22

but then the thing that does make me think that that would make some sense is you look at like an atom, like at the smallest level of particles, and it's got, you know, little balls fucking shooting around each other and rotating little particles like spinning around at an insanely fast rate and stuff like that. So who the fuck knows? Maybe the universe and the solar system and the galaxy is just a larger expression of that. So I could see it both ways. I'm sure someone out there who's smarter could tell me what a dumb ass I am and debunk it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:55

But how are the constellations that the ancients studied and watched and observed still fixed in the same spots of the sky that we can track throughout thousands of years? If we're supposedly flying through fucking space at however many miles per hour, shouldn't these stars and bodies that are X amount of light years and millions of fucking miles away, shouldn't they be changing from the perspective of our sky? How are we seeing the same exact shit that the ancients saw? I don't know. It just makes sense to me that things were moved a little bit.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:30

Well, okay, there's a lot of things you want. Yeah, you said I want to touch on, so the Van Allen radiation belt on a flat Earth. I think that could totally work, phil. Like, let's just say we were on a flat Earth, there was a firmament. Why couldn't there be a radiation belt, you know a radiation dome under the firmament, so there's no reason to me to think why that couldn't work on a flat earth. What else did you say to that? I wanted to. Uh, damn, what was the last thing you?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:57

just said, the spinning around at all these different directions okay, yeah, so that's another thing.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:02

Like that's another thing at first, like when you have the people say okay, we're going, we're, we're, we're the earth's rotating at 67 000 miles a second and we're being pulled in this direction at a billion miles an hour, and then we're orbiting around the sun at another trillion and then we're being shot in space towards another. You know, these numbers are crazy and perplexing and it makes you initially think it's impossible. However, you have to realize this year the size of these things we're talking about. We can't fathom the size of these things we're talking about. We can't fathom the size of these things. So, again, I think that's mostly my credulity, but at first you're right. Those numbers sound it's impossible, it sounds ridiculous, it can't work. But I don't think that's the case. And what's the last thing you just said?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:49

uh, that the constellations, yes, that the way the ancients saw them versus how we see them, and right like, shouldn't they be different? So they had, they are like completely gone.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:58

Well, they are different because if you look at like when they built the pyramids, they're shifted off. You know we can tell when those were built, what constellations they lined up with and, as far as like, okay, when did our ancients live? We think they. You know you're talking about 3,000 years, right?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:13

Okay.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:14

You're just been around for billions. So it's like, how much do you think it moved in those 3,000 years?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:19

Yeah, I don't fucking know. Probably not much right.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:22

Just a little bit, like pretty much what we can document, like so yeah, so it's like I don't know man, you know I go, I go back and forth, I go both ways on it. You know there's, there's such good evidence for all these different scenarios and I'm so stupid that it's like, depending on my mood and how entertaining the documentary that I'm watching is, I'm all in. You know what I mean. Like it's like you know, today I could be like fuck dude, jesus was real. I mean, oh my God, I was wrong.

"$awbuck" Mike: 17:55

And then tomorrow you could fucking show me some fucking satanic thing and I'd be like, okay, fuck what I said yesterday, dude, this is the real shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:04

You know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:04

So it totally you know I'm stupid.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:12

I think that just comes with the territory of you know, know, being open-minded and subject to change. You're constantly like second guessing and questioning and oh no, maybe I, maybe I had it wrong, or, like you know, am I right about this or that, even when it comes to faith and religion, and but uh, I mean I'm pretty fixed on the, the jesus in a way.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:25

Now like, I feel like that is the truth, the jesus uh conspiracy, if you will like that. You know there's all this fucking evil and you know demonic debauchery. That's very, very obvious to people like us in this world and like that seems to be the common enemy of the evil people, or like when sleep, sleep paralysis people or alien abduction people claim that they just, you know, end their encounter by fucking mentioning the name of jesus. That's like really, oh shit, like that, yeah like, that's a very common thing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:55

Yeah, man, like that was honestly a big factor in me coming around to. It was holy shit, like really, so he really does have some authority in the spirit realm or the astral realm or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, abductees or sleep paralysis victims, but you know what?

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:12

what if these aliens are really big, big lebowski fans and they fear? They fear the jesus. Do you? Do you remember the movie that he actually had his own spin-off movie called jesus the jesus? You remember? Fucking john taturo played?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:26

he's with the boys fucking jesus it's better than the uh the science sphere, where they're afraid of fucking water or water kills them. That is nuts, though isn't it that all these people have reported they're in these? You know I have to look into that?

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:40

That's incredible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:41

It's fucking nuts dude. That was a big factor for me. Like, well shit, like what does that mean? Like, what does that make these aliens? What does that say about the fucking spirit realm? What does that right say about the fucking?

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:53

spirit realm that, like even this dude, uh, you know the phil schneider, like story, like phil.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:55

Yeah, oh yeah. So I I believe it was phil schneider. It might have been another guy who had a very similar, you know like fantastic story. That was like really hard to another guy, this guy just dropped some crazy shit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:04

Yeah, but I think phil schneider said when you were around the underground bases or like, if you're around these entities I don't want to misquote if it wasn't filled, but like I'm saying it was someone who claimed to have been around underground bases where there was ets or maybe he was directly around ets or something, and you couldn't even say like, oh, jesus Christ, it's like a swear, because these entities are like the, the government who was working with the entities like made it a rule like don't say that around them, like they don't like that, like yeah, so like if you were like alarmed or something, you're like oh jesus, or something that they would like react to it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:34

Wow, hold on a second so first off, the phil schneider story is fucking crazy. We should do a deep dive on that one day that would be awesome for yeah, for people that don't know, he was a guy that said he was contracted by the government to um to make domes, these deep underground military bases.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:52

He was a geologist.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:53

Yeah, he was a geologist and supposedly they were digging, excavating I guess, and they stumbled across aliens that lived on the ground and there was like a shootout and shit happened. And then look into him, bill Schneider, and they suicided him.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:08

He had a bunch of scars to back up his story too that he stumbled upon an alien battle between, uh like green beret and fucking aliens underground. And yeah, nutty, he's an interesting one. But what you said there, though, have you?

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:21

have you thought about the ramifications to that? Because the phil schneider story came out when 90s, early 2000s, that's way before anybody I used to laugh at that shit when I was like balls deep in aliens.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 21:35

I was like oh, the fucking idiot christians. Like everything's a demon. Like oh, that's so fucking stupid but?

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:41

but the ramifications of that now are, when phil schneider said that, or whoever said that, I take it was. You know, back then too, no one was talking about these beings, these aliens, whatever they are, these entities. No one was talking about them being angels and demons, like they are now. That's huge talk. Now that's like what they really think is going on. However, you have phil schneider telling us this 20, 25 years ago, so that to me, that lends to his credibility, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 22:14

That they didn't like to hear the word Jesus, right, exactly, I mean, think about that. If you're making a story up, okay, if I used to be a heroin addict for 15 years dude, heroin addicts are some of the best liars and manipulators. We can come up with some shit okay, I would have never thought to like put, oh yeah, guess what if you're around them, if you say jesus christ, they get all weird, like right, like that detail that's yeah, that's that's one that really makes me fucking wonder, like yeah, that, that same that's scary that was triggering.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:49

That triggered a whole like perspective shift for me. And, uh, something else is uh, like I said, I used to kind of like scoff at christianity or laugh like I thought I knew all the truth stuff and like the you know conspiracy community. I just didn't have that aspect. I was like, oh, that's fucking retarded, you know. But then you realize like, well, phil schneider or bill cooper, all these dudes, like these fucking badass dudes that we take the information from, they all fucking love Jesus. They were all I'm all like why are these guys like Bible heads, like, what Like? And I would just ignore that part and like take all the rest of their info. But the shit that they learned led them to believe in that. And you know who else is like. You mentioned some good liars. Who else are fucking good liars? Nazis? Who else are fucking good liars? Nazis and Freemasons.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:30

And I got the fucking picture. So here we go the earth is orbiting around the sun at 66,600 miles, so 6, 6, 6, 0, 0 miles per hour. And then the tilt of the earth is apparently a 23 degree angle, like the. The access is tilted. So then if you take the, let's say, you got a right angle, like a, a, whatever that fucking tool for measuring angles is I can't remember what it's called, but you know what I'm talking about like it's the, the tool like, if you're gonna measure, you're talking about a square not necessarily a square, because like the square is fixed, like you know, it's like a right angle.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:04

So say it is the square, and then there's a little handle in the middle oh, okay, yeah, so you're talking about. I'm just trying to say yeah, yeah, I can't remember what the fuck it's called like a protractor almost kind of it's like for observing, like the angle of something up in the sky or whatever isn't, isn't that you know?

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:20

that's what they used on the uh sextant I think that is probably what it is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:25

Let me see sextant.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:26

Let me look it up you know what they use on like the on the seas to navigate the ship I. I think it was like a celestial instrument that they used Essentially.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:34

Yeah, I mean it's similar to that, yeah, where it creates the angle. So if you take the angle that they give the Earth the 23-degree angle, what you have left over so it's 23.4, what you have left over out of that is 66.6 degrees. That's the angle that's left. I know that's a Masonic country, dude, 66, 600,000 miles per hour Well, 66,600 miles per hour rotating, and then the angle that we are left with, when you account for the tilt, is 66.6 degrees. That's a Mason country.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:08

See, that's another one of those things where I'm like okay, are they that good? Or is that just a case of people looking into things again way too hard to find coincidences? Because you know, someone could say a naysayer could just say well, why didn't they just fucking lie and say it was 66.6 degrees, why are they going to? You know, you got to subtract to get to it, it's like. But at the same time I see, I see it both ways. But I mean, dude, come on, I mean how many coincidences gonna be.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:42

Yeah, that ain't no fucking coincidence. Guess what the curvature of one square mile is.

"$awbuck" Mike: 25:46

You can guess sick, is it six thousand or I don't know? 600 feet, 6, 6, 6, 6?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:52

666 feet. Come on the curvature of the Earth. According to the math of the curvature of one square mile is 666 feet.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:03

Okay, but who came up with the unit of measurement though?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:06

I don't know who's the people that tell us that it's, it's. You know, they would have to be free at x x amount of feet. Well, the people who give us all of our cosmology is fucking nasa, which is comprised largely of masons, and what that would have to do is fucking six, six, six shit but that wouldn't have anything to do with nasa, though, right, because, like who it's, I don't know exactly who proposed the.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:29

You know it's whoever's curvature is like something that the flat earthers and the globers argue about all the time. It's like you can measure it, you can. You can measure the curve, you can account for the curvature, like no, you can't. You can see the horizon, but according to the curvature.

"$awbuck" Mike: 26:42

At least, what I'm reading in these sites and these pages is that it's 666 square feet is like how they measure the fucking curve per square mile I will say that when you look into the numbers that they tell us where, like, the curvature drop is supposed to be after x miles, like you were talking about, it doesn't quite add up to my pigeon mind. You know there is some smart people. You know there is engineers. There is there are pilots. Uh, you know who owen benjamin is?

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:17

yeah, yeah, comedian comedian and, uh, he is a very smart guy, he's highly intelligent and he's a flat earther and his origin story was like uh, like all the others, he tried to debunk it and he couldn't.

"$awbuck" Mike: 27:30

And he's fucking super intelligent and I love listening to him talk about this subject. Well, I do, and I don't because he's funny as fuck he is and he makes a lot of great points. But sometimes he just attacks and it's like, okay, I get that because I like to do that too, but that's not really a good way to win an argument or even persuade anybody, you know. But it is a good way, I guess, to views and that's ultimately what he's trying to do. But where I was going with that is there are smart people that do believe the Earth is flat. It's not just stupid people. The majority might be. I'm just kidding. One thing that blows my fucking mind if we do live on a ball with landing a plane, if the Earth is spinning at X speed, it's rotating at ridiculous speeds. And If the earth is spinning at X speed, it's rotating at ridiculous speeds.

"$awbuck" Mike: 28:18

And the closer you get to the equator, the faster we're going right, mm-hmm. Okay, so let's say you are trying to land a plane near the equator. How are you going to? If you're coming in from west to east, how are you ever going to catch the ball? Because if that thing is going so quick, why, why couldn't you just jump up and just stay where you are and let the earth come to you, and then just drop down and get?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:45

you know, I've thought that before too. I've thought that before too. Or like if you had a say like a hummingbird or like a drone or something just floating, and say you fucking floated that shit for I don't know a few days straight. Is it going to stay right where it is or is the earth going to rotate under it, unless the again, maybe we're retarded and someone can completely explain this to us. But does, within a certain range of the atmosphere, does everything just move with the ball? The earth's rotation, according to science, or like is that what supposedly happens? Like no, that doesn't work that way, you dumbass. Like, just because it's floating doesn't mean like the whole atmosphere and everything moves with it. But no, I I've thought that as well. Like if a drone or, yeah, a plane was just fucking hovering there, wouldn't it, uh, when the earth rotate under it and it could just stay in its fixed spot? Or like a hot air balloon or something, or maybe something that wasn't, you know, manipulated by the wind? I don't know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 29:36

I guess their argument for that is that you never leave the atmosphere and the atmosphere is traveling at the same speed as the earth. So like it's attached, right, it's. Think of it like it's attached so for for that to work is we would have to, right. Think of it like it's attached so for that to work is we would have to. If we were able to just go straight up and break through the atmosphere, be in low Earth orbit and then come down, that would work, is what they're saying. So that's the argument to that. But it's like, again, I don't know, is it just my pigeon brain, or it kind of seems like there might be? I don't know, you know, I don't know, is it just my pigeon brain or it kind of seems like there might be? I don't know, you know, I don't fucking know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:15

Have you seen that most satellites are attached to balloons, like they've seen so many satellites that are attached to balloons that NASA consumes, like more helium than anyone.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:25

People think that all the fucking space stuff is filmed under water, like there's like a. There's a training facility in, I believe, texas where the astronauts have like a mock space station in a giant pool and they're like, oh, the underwater mimics outer space conditions, so we train underwater. Yeah, what if they're just fucking filming all their shit there, because there's dudes who are like super dedicated, this shit. That film like uh, I think it's hibbler, hibbler productions is like a big flat earth thing, so maybe we could get him on here. I feel like he would come on here. Hibbler is a big uh name when it comes to this and, uh, he's been on eddie bravo show and shit. He's got some good documentaries, but he's pointed out like bubbles in the fucking uh astronaut videos or like oh, yeah wires and stuff holding them up and just ways that they're faking stuff so like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:13

And then people be like, well, they're just filming that shit, but like, why would they be faking it then, unless they can't actually do it?

"$awbuck" Mike: 31:19

I've seen a lot of what you're talking about. Personally, what I believe is that they are, they're in low earth orbit. I believe we can get to low earth orbit. I don't believe that's faked. I believe that they're really out there and that's possible, just like in Bart Sobrell's film how they showed how they were faking that they were in Earth orbit. So that's, I believe, the limit of human, of actual human physical presence. I believe we can send technology farther, you know, I believe we send drones to the moon, mars and supposedly there's a new new. Well, it's not new. I guess we launched this five, four or five years ago. It is essentially like a drone slash little space capsule. I was listening to neil no class tyson talk about this and he's a freaking.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:11

He's a friend, not neil. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, the grass tyson, he's a freaking dork dude. Yeah, neil, no, class tyson, talk about this and he's a fucking. He's a friend, not neil. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, the grass tyson, he's a fucking dork dude yeah, neil, no class dork.

"$awbuck" Mike: 32:17

Yeah, he's, I can't stand him. He's a fucking scumbag. But what he he had said something and I looked it up and supposedly it is, it is accurate, but it's really cool what he was explaining and it's uh, it's essentially like this little space capsule type thing. That's like a drone that has an arm on it and it's like a little robotic arm and as it's passing different asteroids, it can literally grab samples and then it can capsule and package them and ship them to the states, to Earth. It just supposedly passed an asteroid Grabbed like two pounds of debris and rock and it's on the way back here to Earth. And I just think that is fucking cool, man, and if that is what we're really doing and I believe that is, I believe that is what we are doing I believe that is totally within the possibility of human capability and technology, I think it's totally appropriate and I just think that that's fucking dude. Think about that like that's incredible it's crazy, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:20

We talked about, though, with like the hovering, though if we're actually out of the orbit with, like these, you know, drones or satellites or whatever the fuck, like these little ships and pods, then what we were talking about would be an account, because then that thing left the atmosphere. When it comes back down, like they would have to like perfectly time, the way the earth is fucking spinning, to get it back to where we want it to. Unless they're like all right, it's just gonna land wherever the fuck. Like it might land in fucking afghanistan, it might land in the ocean, it might land in fucking brazil, like we'll just get it where it is, or they'd fucking do the math perfectly to like all right, when the earth is spinning at this exact point, we're gonna have it enter the atmosphere and come fucking flying down and land directly where we want it to.

"$awbuck" Mike: 33:59

So, like what we were talking about then would apply and, uh, I'm sure there's like gps coordinates on it, so yeah, it allows it to get within, like say, 100 miles of its target or something like that I could see that again to play towards the, the firmament, or the, the fixed thing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:16

Some people have claimed that we just can't get anything out there, like we can't send anything out there, we can't go there, like we can't get outside of this hard fucking dome, and then we've tried to like nuke it or like blast it with a fucking rocket, or try to break it and get through and see, yeah, see what happens, and we can't get through.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:33

Who the fuck knows, dude. But yeah, I don't think we went to the moon. I think bart thinks we are on a ball, though, like most flat earthers, use bart's work to say that it is a flat earth, like they draw the conclusion well, we can't leave, we can't go to the moon. Well, we can't go to the moon, which means we can't leave, which means the earth is flat, like that's what they will usually go to. And uh, I mean, yeah, I can't, fucking can't say one way or the other yeah, I can't say one way or another either.

"$awbuck" Mike: 34:59

One thing that studying philosophy taught me and then untaught me is, you know, when you start to get into like nihilism, that like nothing is real and nothing matters, and that's really close to that's really close in my mind too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:17

If I can't prove it, I don't believe it, because I used to think about that a lot and I think it's a really dangerous line of thinking. I think it's a fraudulent line of thinking, because I think people that say that they really don't realize that they do what you do, do you believe in air? Because you're breathing it or else you wouldn't be alive? You know what I mean. You can't see it. I can't prove to you it's there, other than if it wasn't you'd be dead, but it's there. So if you're going to use that line of thinking not that you are, I'm just saying for people that do, if people use that line of thinking, not that you are, I'm just saying for people that do if people use that line of thinking, it's like then what can you? You have to have some degree of faith. You know what I mean and I think that's where religion comes in.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:01

I was literally just about to say, because I had this conversation with friends today and we were, you know, a little bit of debating, slash, arguing because, like I said, I've been more into faith lately and jesus and god and religion and stuff like that, and it's not even like I'm being anti-science by any means, but yeah, when it comes to the masonic institutions and like that and information that we're being fed and indoctrinated with from kids, yeah, I'm skeptical on a lot of that. But when we were kind of dealing with you know, I was like well, that is the point of faith. Like you, you, you believe something, even though you can't necessarily prove it. And that was like one of the main talking points was that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:39

And I was like is, is it not faith to trust the history we're taught? Is it not faith to trust the academic world? Is it not faith to trust science? Like at some point it was literally just a guy or a consensus of guys being like well, this is the commonly, commonly accepted thing that we believe. So that's what it is. So then we're just like ah, yeah, all right, I, I can't prove it one way or another, but like, I'm gonna have faith. That that's what it is like. It might not be as what you would call like blind faith, but like at the end of the day, it is still fucking faith yeah, dude, right on preach, and I think about that too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:14

It's like with the same thing with language, it's like okay. So a bunch of people got together and decided that fuck was a bad word, okay that used to yeah, that shit's hilarious, but sex isn't.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:24

But sex isn't. And poop poop isn't a bad word, but shit is right, like that sound you make with your mouth.

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:30

That is offensive, but that went over there, that's. I guess fuck was a bad example, because that used to really stand for fornication under the crown king. So that you know that's true. So that actually is a bad example. But yeah, you know, there's certain words that everybody got together and agreed on, like yeah, you can't say dick, but pee-pee is okay, you know it's like really, Come on, we're doing this.

"$awbuck" Mike: 37:54

It's weird because people are, so people never second guess these things like you and I are talking about. It's just like they just well, I've never thought about it like that. Well, I've never really questioned it. It's like really, Because I have from day one. It's like from the time someone told me it was a bad word. I'm like, well, why? Like did no one ask why? What the fuck?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:15

when I was a little kid, I had this exact same fucking thought pattern. And uh, I definitely have a sailor's mouth. And uh, cunt is one of my favorite words. Sorry to any uh female listeners who are offended by that, but I use it as a verb, I use it for males, I use it as a uh, yeah, exactly, an adjective, a compliment, whatever. Like if I say you're a brutal cunt, that means you're a cool guy, you're, you're a bad-ass person. I, I think you're a, you know, you're cool.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:40

That's very European of you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:42

If I say you're a, if I say you're cunting me, you're a, you give me a hard time, you're bitching me out, you're old ladies cunting me. Or you could use it like oh you fucking douchebag, oh you cunting douchebag, it's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 38:57

it's a versatile word as well it is. It is a versatile word. Have you ever heard, uh, george carlin's bit on the word fuck?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:03

no oh well, I probably have actually, but refresh me, oh my god.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:07

Well, I cannot do it justice, but essentially he was. He just goes on to say how fuck is the most? It's the most versatile word in the English language because you can use it as an exclamation. Fuck as an adjective. She's fucking beautiful. He goes on to say all these other things and he's like you could use it as virtually every word in a sentence fuck, that fucking fucker. He just goes on and he's a legend, bro, george Carlin. For anybody who isn't familiar with his work, he is so much more than a comedian. He was literally like a philosopher. I think he would have made a social commentator oh, dude, right on.

"$awbuck" Mike: 39:42

I mean, I think that's what comedy misses nowadays. I mean, people would argue that joe rogan is is our social commentator, but there's a big difference between and I'm a joe rogan fan and I have been since the very beginning. However, there's a very big difference between joe rogan, who I think is a smart guy. I think george carlin trumps him in every area. There's a big difference between the two, almost like they're not even competing in the same arena. So, like, like Rogan says, there's levels to it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:13

To go back to some profanity not that it's anything to be proud of, but I think I have come up with the equation for the best swearing sentence you could hit someone with, or an insult or phrase, and that would be bitch-ass, fucking shit, cunt.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:32

Why is that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:33

I just think that's the best combination. You hit all of them, and if you rearrange them in any other way, I just don't think it rolls off as good. So shit cunt is a hilarious thing. They say that in like Australia or Britain or Ireland or something, and it's just fucking hilarious and it just sounds so stupid. So then, bitch ass, fucking shit cunt.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:52

That is top tier swearing in my book you are hitting a lot of uh, a lot of the words there. Yeah, I can't think, but you know, my first word was fucky no way yeah, true story. So I never had a chance talking about fucking yeah, you said. Mine, ironically, was in uh relation to this episode ball really ball was my first word wow, there you go, was you, uh, were you. Do you have any freemasons in your bloodline?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:18

I don't think I do, honestly. I've got a lot of baseball players in my bloodline and baseball is a free man, an invention, a free masonic invention and, uh, baseball is basically designed as a masonic ritual. Really, yeah, dude, I come from a fucking oh yeah, I come. I come from a long line of baseball players. My grandpa although this is, you know, when the baseball players had day jobs and shit, but my grandpa was on the detroit tigers. Come on. My yeah, my dad was an all-american, multiple of my uncles and cousins all-americans almost like making the major leagues yeah, a distant cousin of mine was a pitcher for the blue jays.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:53

Really like uh yeah I.

"$awbuck" Mike: 41:55

So you come from a fucking bloodline dude like a athlete I sucked, though I sucked.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:00

I was so bad at baseball yeah, but you're.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:03

You sucked at baseball, but you're an elite fucking wrestler, so you're a world champion always I took.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:09

I was okay in high school. I was. I didn't do it year-round though like the best people did. I would go fucking fight in backyards or go fuck around with my metal band and shit. I was good, I was ranked highly, but I was a little bit stiff and not as mobile and fluid. I was kind of a fucking anxious nut and if I couldn't just bully people right away I would start getting in my head. But I really wasn't anywhere near what I am now. It took me a long time and I wouldn't say I'm the most naturally athletic like catching and throwing and shit like that. It's not my jam, so I didn't inherit that. But yes, I do have competitiveness in sports in my bloodline for sure. I just didn't get the fucking baseball one before I forget, dude, two things.

"$awbuck" Mike: 42:55

One, did you listen to the josh barnett episode? And if you did, did you hear it was towards the very end of the podcast? I noticed it because when I'm editing a podcast like, I hear any one given part of it at least a half dozen times, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:09

But so I really heard this when barnett is talking to you about wrestling freestyling greco yeah, and he's like so I take it, you did da, da, da, you know, and you're like actually, no, this, I didn't do any of that so and then he goes. Really, he was so surprised you could hear in his voice that he was so surprised that you are so good and got that good on your own. He was fucking. You could hear it in his voice, so I just wanted.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:37

I wasn't sure if he was surprised or disappointed or what, but I definitely took note of it even in the moment. But uh, freestyling greco is like the olympic styles and like when you're growing up that's only available in like the off season and, like I said, I I never, I just never really did it. It's different from like the uh, like youth and like high school and college style of folk style wrestling here and I just never competed in greco or freestyle. Obviously, throughout all the years now I've I've taken influence from all those styles. I've trained just about any style of grappling or wrestling. You can't. I've just never competed under those rule sets. I've definitely really wanted to and this actually supposed to be the year that I am like I want to do the irish freestyle wrestling open. I want to do the us freestyle open and do greco, but yeah, I just never uh got to compete in those styles, which would be very fun. But yeah, I did take note of that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 44:25

He, he was, he reacted to it for sure and and the other thing is, you know, I can't let you say something like baseball is a Masonic fucking sport and just get off the hook. You got to fucking tell me more.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:40

Right, all right. Well, a lot of the numbers have to do with Masonic, so I'll break it down to the best that I can. So, obviously, three big number in baseball 33 is the highest Masonic number. So you got three strikes. Three big number in baseball 33 is the highest Masonic number. So you got three strikes, three outs. You got nine innings, which is three times three. There's 108 stitches on the baseball and I think 108 is probably also a multiple of that. I can't remember exactly why that was significant because I fucking suck ass with math, but that's significant as well.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:15

And a baseball diamond, like the diamond, looks exactly like a square and compass, like look at the infield, it's like it looks like it was drawn by a little square. And then if you look at it from, like, say, center field, it's the Mason symbol, like the out of bounds lines are like the top of the square. And then the basis is the, like the you know center field or not? Center Second base would be like the the bottom of the square, and the out of bounds lines would be the compass of the arena itself.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:43

It does kind of look like an upside down protractor.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:45

Oh yeah, it's a. It's a fucking Masonic field.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:50

You got the you know, I Masonic field, you got the right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:54

Well, it was literally designed by Masons back in the day, like that's a fact. And uh, they think that the game is like a representation of, like a Gnostic journey of the soul, like the batter is like, uh, someone trying to go through, you know, the journey of life and the pitcher is like God, if you will and he's you know, journey of life. And the picture is like God, if you will and he's you know, giving you challenges and if you succeed and you'd knock the soul out of the park, if you will, you, you know, you clear the bases and you take anyone who was there with you to enlightenment or whatever.

"$awbuck" Mike: 46:24

And so what if you strike out steroids? What does that mean? Like murdering somebody?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:29

can take in psychedelics here and getting a peek into the spirit realm. But the idea is that if yeah, if you strike out or you go go back to the dugout reincarnation, you get your chance to come try again and relearn the lesson and get enlightenment, but also that, uh, that baseball is the only sport without a time limit.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:49

It's like the great american pastime, like every other sport has a clock that counts down and like when time's up time is up, baseball ends when the when the fucking ritual ends like it can go endlessly although they have made a several rule changes recently to speed the game up, I will say which is good because I hated watching it when the dude would fucking step out of the bat batting box every second, it's every pitch and like fix his gloves and like get back in baseball already hits a foul ball like fucking.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:14

It's slow as fuck dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:15

It really is flies, fuck dude it's, it's painful, but, uh, what else? They say that the ref or not, the refs, the umps, are like the high priests of the game, like they're dressed in in their uniform and they oversee the ritual to make sure everything goes accordingly. That you got everybody else in their uniform, holding their, their ritual items, whether it's the glove or the bat, aka the wand. And you got, uh, the fans. And what's the origin of fan? The fanatics that are there to like give their energy to the ritual and sing ritual songs, like take me out to the ball game, eat their ritual meals and, you know, wear their little sigils of the team, like the little symbols of the team is logos, is like the sigil wow and I'm probably forgetting other stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:58

But yeah, no, baseball is masonry for sure, like it was made by masons to have a fun little game that represented like their beliefs and shit and uh, that's crazy greatest baseball players ever.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 48:11

A lot of them were masons wow yeah, I didn't know I didn't know most of that, 90 of that I had no idea what what made me go kind of fucking schizo crazy and lead to where I am now too is so obviously there's the whole masonry thing with baseball and then my family with baseball shit, and then I was reconstructing collar and elbow. You know, like, uh, being involved with all that, and while I'm designing the uniform I was thinking like we need some like. So this dude who did the revival of Ruan McFadden, who he made the bad-ass Celtic jackets and shit, and other than that, you know, everyone's just wearing like their own shorts and shit, and I'm like we need some like pants for this. And in ireland they used to wear like, like tight knee, knee length pants, almost like capri, like three-quarter pants because it was so boggy and wet and shit, like they didn't want their feet trailing in the grass and then, like you picture, like old school wrestler, old school boxer you know what I mean like the the knee length or like calf length pants, like tights, and I was like that would look sick, like that fits the aesthetic of ireland historically and just like you know old time pugilism, like fighting, I'm like I should just get some like baseball or like football pants and like I'll stitch some like celtic uh embroidery down the side of them and it'll look sick and I have a bunch of pairs of them and that's what we went with, like I had my friend's mom helped me stitch and I did a bunch of my hand and made I bought like a bunch of baseball pants to make the collar and elbow pants and it does look pretty fucking bad-ass.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:40

But then shortly after that I found out about the Mason thing and I'm like dude, what are the odds that I just I, you know I made the collar and elbow slightly Masonic in a way through the ritual wear of freemason baseball ritual. I'm like, okay, that's kind of weird. But then you got george washington, freemason collar and elbow champion. In the early colonies, collar and elbow being called square wrestling, which, if you want to get that deep with it, the square and compass and, uh, just like the gaelic and irish connections and scottish connections to masonry, you got fucking, like I said, george Washington, free Mason collar and elbow champion. Now we're wearing the baseball pants.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:18

My family's a baseball lineage. Baseball is a fucking Masonic ritual. That was just a wild coincidence and stream of thought for me and then. So what's funny is when I did go and win that world championship, I joked to my family like just talking shit, cause they're all like hyper competitive and sports obsessed.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:38

But again, mostly baseball. I'm like oh, I'm the fucking, I'm the best athlete in the bloodline. Now I'm the best one in the family, like you guys are all American or this or that, but I'm a world champion. But don't worry, I wore collar and elbow pants in the world championship when I won it. So I became a world champion in the baseball pants in a way to give not a nod to my baseball fucking lineage, but it was really just because I wanted to wear the irish collar and elbow pants and put irish wrestling on the map. But in a way I still uh, put the mason curse. So that's a very long answer to no, to my knowledge I don't have any masons in the family, but I got a lot of people who Love the masonry of baseball.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:17

Do you know what George Washington's Dentures were made out of?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:22

Ivory.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:23

No. Well, I think you're partially right. I think they were made out of ivory, and then there's some that were made Out of slave teeth.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 51:34

Oh yeah, that would make sense actually I used to think they were wooden that's what they told us. But then they were like actually they were made of like ivory from like you know like rhinos, or like elephants, or like tusks, or like you know like horse hooves or some shit like that yeah, and I just it was re, I just was, uh, I heard it and then I looked it up and it was, yeah, slave Teeth, and I think Ivory too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 51:55

You're right, do you think the slaves just volunteered, like, pull my tooth?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:01

No, I shitfuckered, and then he named it Anesthesia, you know.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:05

Well, everything to do with early America is subject to Fuckery. Yeah for sure I can't trust anything, dude. I feel like american history is either, you know, completely a lie in a way, like to the fucking most extreme ways that like it's way crazier than we could believe. When, if you get into, like the tartaria or whatever, or the resets, or you know people being here already, whether they it was like you know, the moors, a bunch of black people already here and and then say, like we got here, beat them and then enslave them and I don't, I shouldn't even say weeks, I don't fucking.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:40

My ancestors were slaves to the Irish, like what I'm saying, like Americans in quotes, or like white British European Americans, like some people think. They came over here. There was already a civilization of moreors which would have been like black dudes from Spain and like France and North Africa and shit, and they were kind of like a seafaring, like pirate race, and then you know the British colonists and stuff was like fuck them and like tried to beat their ass and warfare. And then, okay, you guys are slaves now. And then, instead of like you know, if you're going to try and tell these people like black americans now, like, well, we took you guys from africa and then we made you our slaves and then brought you over here. That sounds like a little bit more. I mean, it's still a shitty ass fucking story for them to hear and like, well, damn, we got the shit under the stick. But I think it would be even more shitty to them and like they'd be more angry if they realized wait, this was our land, were here, we already had a civilization established, and then they took us and took it from us and then enslaved us. So I think that's an interesting ass theory.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:39

But then you also consider, okay, maybe it was a land that didn't have any civilization yet other than so-called the Native Americans just doing their tribal thing or whatever. And we've talked to Mystic Mark about how maybe that's bullshit as well thing or whatever. And we've talked to Mystic Mark about how maybe that's bullshit as well. But even then, let's say it was a land of opportunity and all this shit. Since there was so much opportunity and so much room for fuckery to happen, it would make sense that masons and secret societies and whatever could just come in and put themselves in power and make it corrupt from the fucking start. There was just so much opportunity and opening for something like that to happen. So, whether everything is a complete fabrication to the craziest degree, or it kind of went the way they told us, but it was still corrupt from the start, either way, we're being fed some bullshit.

"$awbuck" Mike: 54:27

No, doubt, a lot of interesting ways to look at it, and I always find it interesting because there's always ways that I haven't looked at it yet, so it's that's what keeps it fun and interesting, and and, uh, that's why we do this. You know what I just thought of, though, like, literally, like while you were talking, this thought popped into my head, so it was something that you said triggered this thought. I have my specific DNA, right, you have?

"$awbuck" Mike: 54:55

your specific DNA Mine's made up of X amount of Scottish, X amount of Italian, Irish, da-da-da-da. Right Now, if past lives are real or reincarnation's real, in my next life will I have the same exact dna, or in my past life have I had the same dna, or does my dna change with each life?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:20

you know what I'm saying. I've wondered that too, like because I mean I get into, you know, I guess, if you want to say some some trippy, hippie, fucking shit where I feel you know, connected to my ancestry and to my ancestors, and maybe, if that is real, that you know they live through us or we're reincarnating in our own bloodline and shit like that, or who knows, maybe it, maybe, if reincarnation is real, you're just completely fucking different. Maybe you were a black dude, maybe you were a chinese lady, maybe you were a fucking ancient aztec, maybe you were a fucking bird, who the fuck knows. Like it is interesting, but I feel like I don't know, there's probably something to do with your, your bloodline and your ancestry, like, at least I think there's a lot of power in it. Yeah, that sounds brutal and that made me think of something that I heard on, uh, I don't know one of the many podcasts that I enjoy, or maybe fucking some youtube channel or something.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 56:11

Um, that the idea of npcs among us, that, uh, that there's only a certain amount of souls that you know get recycled or get brought back into the earth and there's been so many people being born in like the past, like couple decades and couple hundred years and shit, that there's people being born without souls and that there's literal npcs and I don't want to dehumanize anyone or you know, make, make it like that, like all these people are lesser or anything like that and maybe they are important, that we need just like a video game, that we need some fucking background characters and shit, and uh yeah, I can't remember exactly who it was or the context, but I just remember that stuck with me. I was like that's a crazy thought, like if there's a crazy thought, like if there was a finite number of souls that are being recycled or can be present on Earth at one time and we keep reproducing that there's. There's empty avatars being born, and then that's scary to think what could be taking the place in those avatars? Could some fucking entities be easily taken over? These NPCs?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:13

Is every fucking world leader an NPC? Then that's just fucking host to a demon or an ancient entity.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:18

When you were younger, did you used to think that, okay, because when I was younger, I used to think like that everything around me, like here's my mom and here's my best friend at school, but when they're not around me, their life doesn't really exist, like I thought? I was like the actor in like my story, not that things weren't real, but just that like things, like I was, like the main character it was I don't know. Did you feel like that too?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 57:51

Yeah, and it would be like, I don't know, when you're at school or you're at church or you're driving and you see someone else in their car or something and you're like, holy fuck, this person has their own, their own whole, like internal monologue, and like worries and concerns, and like their life, and they're going home to their family or they're like, oh, my fucking job, my, my taxes, this, that, literally, that is just a trippy thought, right? What is that? What exists outside of our mind?

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:17

All right, well, stay away from pedophiles. Thank you, bye.