#21 | Razor Rob McCullough | The Outlaw MMA Days and The Paranormal | "Digital Dementia"

 "Razor" Rob McCullough is a mixed martial arts pioneer, a former World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) champion, a business owner, and a family man. In this session Rob takes us down memory lane, recounting tales of training, fighting, and the evolution of MMA from its no-holds-barred infancy to the disciplined spectacle it is today. From chilling paranormal experiences to the raw grit of a fighter's journey, we share reflections on the pandemic's upheaval and the political disillusionment it's wrought. Our conversation is a patchwork of ideologies and experiences, each thread offering a unique perspective on the fabric of our shared reality.

Yet, amidst the spiritual and supernatural, we don't shy away from the practical - the evolution of MMA gyms, coaching methodologies, and making martial arts an accessible craft for all. Razor Rob opens up about his Razor Striking System and how he's adapted his coaching to fit the casual gym-goer and the aspiring pro fighter alike. And for a lighter round before the bell, join us in a quirky debate on fast food fries and a potato diet experiment that harks back to our ancestral roots. If these tales of physical feats, otherworldly encounters, and philosophical musings resonate with you, lace up for an episode that promises to satisfy your hunger for the extraordinary and the inspiring.

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Transcript

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:01

The Nephilim sightings are going to start soon.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:04

Consciousness has been enslaved. Your consciousness does not need your physical body to survive.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:11

It's the thing that's necessary. It has to be there. It's the coding that projects this world we currently live in. I want you to read the Bible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:19

We got reptilians just outside of our frequency zone.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:22

Six dimensional beings, the ancient builder race. Ideas are the highest form of intelligence, and that leads you to truth and clarity.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 0:30

The Nephilim sightings are going to stall soon. Conspiracy show. It's obvious the aliens are god-fearing insanely huge, or just one planet?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 0:38

They would have needed a minimum of six feet of lead sheathing in order to get through the 25 000 mile thick of nl and radiation belt. This is real. They really did fake the moon.

"$awbuck" Mike: 0:47

The world is infinitely older than that and I mean the world with human beings in it, skull and bones, is like one of the villains in the legion of doom, they said.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 0:57

I'll let you read the bible, the biblical flood, the tartaria mud flood conspiracy and chill. The nephilim sightings are going to start soon. The bulldog ball I don't want you to read the bible. There's magnets in the basketballs. There was a political party, a third party called the anti-masonic party at a point in uh in the united states.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:36

The global pandemic treaty conspiracy and chill podcast.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:37

We have got razor rob mccullough Conspiracy and Chill Podcast. He's a former MMA journalist and if you've listened to any of our other episodes, we've had plenty of fighters on and as well as get into some weird conspiracy talk. So we'll start off with what it was like being part of the true cowboy days of MMA, being a WEC champ doing kickboxing and doing MMA under all sorts of different organizations. Why don't you just give us a little rundown on that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:04

Man, it doesn't seem like it was so long ago. And, uh, the thing that echoes is is tito ortiz, who was I went to high school with, kept telling me, bro, let's give you the support of the future. I'm telling you and at the point, at that point, it was no holds barred, right or no rules, fighting, no nhb dude, it's gonna be, it's gonna be the sport of the future. I was ah and.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:24

I'd already started kickboxing and then doing Muay Thai. So I was like, yeah, I mean I'll beat you guys up, but like we're not doing takedowns, he's like no that's cool, dude.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 2:34

So just being just thinking back, man, and like wow, it really was pioneer shit. You know, there was guys in there. Everybody was trying to figure out who was the best one, right? The grapplers thought they could beat up the strikers. The strikers thought they were going to KO the grapplers. The jiu-jitsu guys thought they were going to sub all the wrestlers the wrestlers. So it was like this. I was explaining this the other day to somebody. It was like you could see it. And then the guys who didn't venture onto the mat or the guys who didn't venture into the ring.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:02

And I was like I just remember thinking personally I didn't want to be that guy and feel like, hey, dude, I can hold my own on the mat or in a ring or wherever the fight took. So that was kind of my personal journey with it. And then you saw the sport evolving, right Guys like Frank Shamrock, and they're well-rounded. So to me it's been a crazy ride.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 3:24

It just keeps getting crazier did you wrestle in high school with tito too, or just kickboxing?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:29

no, I uh. The best part is I wrestled in like sixth grade I moved, I started moving in sixth grade moved to alaska um wrestled, it wrestled yeah wrestled in elementary school, sixth grade, so I had. I had the idea of like and nobody on the team like seriously liked me so.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:44

I didn't understand the conditioning aspect to wrestling. It was just like I'd show up to practice, I'd get mauled and I was like, fuck, I go compete. And I was like, ah, I got the cross face and sit out and a grand bureau that's all.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 3:55

I could really remember and then standing up fighting the hands, and then, as it started going on, I was like all right, bounced around to different high schools. The last one I went to was Huntington Beach High School. Tito was older than me and he was already in high school. He was wrestling and I was couch surfing. I was living on people's couches. My buddy, tito was dating his sister, so Tito would come over hang out at the house that were at the apartment. And my buddy goes hey, dude, rob used to wrestle. And he goes, oh yeah. So he tries like taking me down, like he's like, yeah, tito, and Tito's in the living room. And he's like I'm looking for dudes to like be part of like this LA Games, I think is what it was. It's like some wrestling thing.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 4:37

And so my buddy's trying to take me down.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 4:45

And like we get into a, take his back, and he's like, bro, you can move. And I'm like, yeah, and that was as far as we ever went during high school times. But to me it was like, all right, like I validated myself that I, I can know what I'm doing. And uh, yeah, after that we started training together. He went, he went to college, then he fought in the ufc. I'd already started fighting kickboxing. He came back to my gym and he was, he was looking around and I was sparring and it was in la boxing in hunting beach, which was hilarious. And he goes, uh, yeah, I gotta learn that stand-up stuff. And I'm like bro.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:11

Yeah, dude, I don't think he even remembered me from high school. I go, yeah, bro, like dude, totally, like I'll still spar with you all the time. He's like, all right, no takedowns. He's like, yeah, dude. And then we started. And then people started coming in. People wanted to train with Tito. We had a whole group of guys. We had like our gym had a racquetball court and they matted the racquetball court. So dudes would just go in there and get at it like they're beating, beating each other down, but Tito would have like the implement of like takedowns. Right then we started realizing like, hey, when you take that down, you can't like end up in the guard, so take down, pass the guard, wrist control, you hit them with elbows. So it was. It was really like the pioneer phase of this, because people were like trying to figure out how can you use the fence how can you?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 5:53

use the wall? What weapons do you have at that? What range and how can I utilize those? And I just kept thinking all you dudes like, what are you doing for strength and conditioning? Because I run and I do a whole bunch of stuff for conditioning pull-ups. You know, I had my whole thing for what I was doing for Muay Thai and they weren't really doing stuff. So it was kind of fun to be able to put all that stuff together and it worked right. Me and Tito were going and we were running stairs and he won the belt in Japan and I was like, dude, all of a sudden, these shows, people were popping, my name was popping up. They go oh yeah, you're Tito's guy. And I was like, yeah, yeah. So I mean it's been a crazy ride. Then I got to do my own fight thing where I ended up going into MMA and winning the title and enjoying that Fruits of the labor and the ultimate fighter. I mean it's been crazy because it really did turn into the sport of the future.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:45

So he foresaw that, which was kind of cool.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 6:48

How long did it take you before you finally did go from kickboxing to MMA? Like you said, you were dabbling basically from the start, but you stuck with your kickboxing. What was the final switch?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 6:58

if you will, you know what I think? The final switch was my buddy, this dude. I don't know how PG you want to keep this podcast, whatever it is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:10

We're like fresh out of high school, this dude like sell weed to everybody and he trained. And he was kind of jacked and he goes hey, bro, and I just got a membership at LA Boxing. I was like hitting the bag. And he's like, hey, bro, you trained. So I and he said, hey, bro, you trained. So I thought it was like, yeah, like I took the bad class like twice so I thought it was a heart. And he goes yeah, bro, I do uh jujitsu and muay thai and I'm like I have no idea what that is. Oh, cool bro, this is like 1994. And so I go cool. And he goes come train with me, dude, come train with me. And I'm all, yeah, man, that'd be cool. So to me I'm like, all right, like validated. I wrestled in sixth grade.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 7:43

I've taken a bad class.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 7:45

So I went and it was Cleber Luciano, which he was a guy here in Huntington Beach. Still, he's a Brazilian, from Brazil. He's a G, so like a fifth-degree or sixth-degree black belt. At the time he didn't speak any English. It was called Brazilian martial arts. It was connected to a max muscle, which was like kind of the thing back in the 90s.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:05

You go in there to buy other supplements and stuff and tanning Took a class and I'm like whoa, this is a lot of fun. At the end of every class they made you spar. It's a bunch of huge dudes that are like juiced out and I'm like, all right, I'm like 140 pounds soaking wet probably. So I'm going to all these dudes at the end and I'm like, well, this is kind of fun. And then we did it was like an hour and a half of Jiu Jitsu and then they had like a an hour Muay Thai class that you wanted to stay and you do shadow boxing, and then they made everybody spar. And so I did that and I'm like, whoa, this is, this is a lot of fun. It just it just stuck. I was like all right, I like the standup stuff, the grappling stuff, like I was like, yeah. So I really got into the standup and I wanted to pursue that.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 8:46

There wasn't the money in it at the time still kind of, which was unfortunate. So I got to the point where I kind of I read that book Rich Dad, poor Dad. I was about 28,. I'd already been fighting. I think at this point I'd already had a bunch of kickboxing fights. I think I fought in K1 already and I was like, all right, rich dad, poor dad, is how you make your money, make money for you, right. And so it's financial education, literacy. And I'm thinking to myself I live in an apartment. One day I want to like buy a house. I live in Orange County, california. It's kind of expensive. What am I going to do? Nobody in my family was was like that. Nope, my six sisters and brother, nobody's a homeowner. So I'm like all right, what do I need to do to be able to do that? All right, I teach classes, I fight, but I don't get very much money. I sell tickets. That's not you know what can I do?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 9:36

So I'm trying to think, all right, get sponsors, right, that might pick up a little bit. So I started thinking about side of the box, not just training, and being like hey, I want to be the best, let me get the best, and then I'll get paid more. And so, uh, eventually it was hey, dude, you gotta you're gonna have to do mma, but you get paid more.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 9:51

So that's what kind of led me into that, that down that road, the long version of this story right, so were you at la boxing this whole time, like throughout the years when la boxing turned into uf too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:03

Oh, bro, bro. Yeah, dude. So LA boxing the very first one was in Costa Mesa, california. So that's where I started, took a class, started doing the thing. Then I went to that gym called Brazilian Martial Arts, so I was going back and forth. Brazilian Martial Arts was there was no bags in there, it was a mat and you guys did shadow boxing and then you sparred and there was a little bit of pad work not much Did that and then I would go, you know, do the classes here and there and lift weights at the LA Boxing. And then the guys at LA Boxing were like hey, bro, I came in to take a class. The guy goes hey bro, why don't you? I was already wrapped up.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 10:38

He goes hey man, I've taught like four classes in a row today. Classes in a row today. I'm gonna go across the street and get drunk. Why don't you teach this class? And he goes here's 20 bucks, bro, and I go, I'll take 20 bucks, cool. So I go. All right, guys. Mind you, it's everyone in the class that I've been taking the class. Everyone knows. I'm like I'm all right, guys, we're doing boxing, let's go Jumping jacks. So that's how I started teaching there. And then a guy came in. He's like you got any sparring? It was like a Saturday. And they're like, hey, you got any sparring for my kid. And I look over, his kid's got a bandana on, he's holding his bag and he looks like he's my size and I'm like I'll spar with your kid. And he's like can I videotape it? And I'm like, sure, my dude's in the 90s. So the video camera's on here I got a video of it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:21

Actually, I just found it. It was on a vhs tape and I put it on digital and, uh, his name was freddie medrano and we, uh we ended up sparring. Yeah, to me, sparring is like we're trying to kill each other. So I'm trying to like land, like big shots. He's dancing around using footwork, evading my strikes, popping me. Uh, we get done and dad goes. What?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 11:40

you think and I go dude, that was a lot of fun and he goes. Yeah, he pulls out his belt, he goes yeah, he's the us kickboxing champion.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 11:46

I'm like, bro, oh, that's cool. I'm thinking, all right, it's my first time I'm getting after with somebody that I don't train with. I think I did all right. And he goes do you want to fight? And I was like, yeah, yeah, he goes, dude, keep training, we'll get you up, we'll get you a fight. I go, all right, all that man, give me your number. So I give him my number and then literally a couple weeks later, I end up fighting.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:07

And this was like, uh, 1996, now I have one smoker fight, one smoker fight, fight this dude and john mcveil's church. John mcveil had like don wayne parr at there at one point training a bunch of other dudes. So I fight this dude in this in his church. I win the fight. It's a smoker dudes. So I fight this dude in this church. I win the fight. It's a smoker fight. Right, I showed up. We weighed in. This guy weighed as much as I did they're in one fight. Like sure, I had headgear on. They made me put on like these slide on like soccer shin pads almost, and they were so big that my foot was covered. So it was like I was wearing socks in this ring and the ring was really slippery. So if you watch the fight I think I posted it to you on my instagram if you watch the fight, we're sliding kind of all over the place. But I'm trying to tee off on this dude, but I don't have the footing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 12:52

I ended up winning the fight, though, and uh, I'm like bro I was like total rush. Right, the guy jumped up and he did that type one he's doing spinning kicks and shit. Um, and after the fight the dad goes what'd you think?

"$awbuck" Mike: 13:04

man and I go. That was awesome, he goes do you want another fight?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 13:07

I'm all yeah, and he goes, all right, keep training. Mind you, I don't have like a coach, right, I don't have like one guy that's like this is my coach, no one's like coming to corner me. So, uh, I go, all right, he goes, I'll get you a fight in a month. So I had one smoker fight with headgear and ship ads. And then I got a fight in vegas. So I fought one of master toddy's guys at the four queens, which is like downtown, like fremont street in las vegas, no headgear, it's like 10 ounce boxing gloves, no shin pads, and me and this dude go at it and I ko and I get 100 bucks in a hotel room in vegas and I'm like dude, I'm gonna do this for the rest of my life. I'm rich. So that's written out January 1997. Yeah, I think jenna 1997.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 13:53

So it's been a crazy ride starting off on the bags in the la boxing. That's pretty much how I got my start too. I didn't start training until I was done with high school, but uh, I was a backyard brawler for sure, watching guys like you and tito and chuck and like being like, oh hell, yeah, you know, this is what I want to do. So we've just beat the crap out of each other with gloves in the backyard after football practice, after wrestling practice, and then eventually ended up at an LA boxing and yeah, same shit Like, oh, you guys want to spar? Basically, just try to KO each other all the time.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:24

And yeah, right.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 14:25

Yeah, all right. Yeah, hit the bags, grapple live, like that was how we were doing it. And yeah, I mean I was at UFC gym slash LA boxing for years, up until recently too. So that's funny, I didn't even know it was around in 99.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 14:39

Oh yeah, bro, it started in 93. Started in 1993 in Costa Mesa, california, as old as I am. If you, if you dig down with fighters, you can at some point someone's going to have a connection. It's pretty funny. Brendan Shaw the guy you know, brendan Shaw, right, of course that's the podcast dude yeah, he was an LA boxing instructor in Colorado. I ran into him somewhere one time and he's like where's your Rob? And I'm like what's up, dude? He's like, yeah, bro, your picture's all over LA boxing. I was like, oh, that's awesome, wanted Costa Mesa. They basically they tried to franchise. They eventually franchised it and so they just took all the pictures that were on the original wall so they made it look like the original gym. So every gym they open and they're supposed to have the pictures of all the guys, the fighters and stuff on the wall, which is pretty funny it's turning over to the official MMA journalist.

"$awbuck" Mike: 15:27

Yeah, not well, I still get emails, but I don't cover the sport anymore. Are you surprised to see where the sport's gone, or did you kind of foresee this coming?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:36

I mean, hey, dude, thank god it's getting a little notoriety, and I mean literally with no pun intended. It is the ultimate sport. You know what I mean. Everything else, you need a stick ball bat, like you need something. Right? I'm riding a bike or motorcycle or car. This is you, you are your machine, and so to me you are the ultimate athlete, right.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 15:57

It's as cheesy as that might sound, you really are. So I'm glad that guys are starting to pay, like mcgregor and those dudes. I mean, that's still not where it needs to be, but it's gone, it's gone up right. It's funny because, like you know, oh, it's you know, lebron james, this is the best athletes in the world. It's like, yeah, dude, like take it easy, not even close. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not surprised. I'm excited for the guys. I think it should have been there. I think it's. You know, it's still growing, but it's. It's awesome to be, to be a part of it and be like all right man like this is cool to watch the evolution too taking it in a different direction than the MMA talk.

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:33

What? What is your most prized possession?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:36

What is my most prized possession Besides?

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:38

family besides family, besides family, my bad.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:42

Um, I was gonna say my wife, um, god, my most prized possession, mental fortitude. How?

"$awbuck" Mike: 16:48

about that. Yeah, that's a good one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 16:52

Why? Thank you. Yeah, I mean, that's honest dude. What I got out of training helped me in so many facets of my life that like, and that's why I got into training right. I came from a broken home so at the end of the day it was somewhere where it chilled out my mind and I got done. I was like I just want to grab some food and think about what we did and all right, let's go hang out. I did all the facets of. I think I'm super tough. I think I'm a gangster.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:17

It was a good way of getting in a lot of trouble. My nephew, I couch surf. Like I said, I came from a broken home. I have a bunch of siblings, so they all had. I have nieces and nephews, so we all ended up getting in a lot of trouble, A lot of them still doing time. So I was fortunate enough that my mom had me move with my sister when I was 11.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 17:44

So I ended up moving to Alaska, got into wrestling, got into youth sports and that really did give me a better direction, gave me a direction of like, hey, I might not be the smartest dude in the class and I think right now, at a 46-year-old age, I realized that when I didn't understand stuff, I would just start making jokes. Try to be the funny guy, I'm the funny guy, but to me that's like, hey, do you have ADD? That's pretty much what I wrote, it is. So instead of absorbing information, I'd be like, ah, like the class clown guy. And it really started to dawn on me as I ventured into my gi jiu Jitsu that like I'd have to watch that move a few times and then I'd hope I had a good partner to explain it like so we could do it, and I was like bro, I got like learning deficiencies here, so I was always I could always play the really athletic guy, but like at some point you can't be the really athletic guy when someone's got better grips.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:30

So I think that was an understanding like hey, dude, like you need to be able to absorb information better and grow from that. So it was a self-reflection that comes from training. So everything I had kind of come back to training so I was like all right, man, martial arts has helped me in so many different areas. It's been awesome. So now being able to share is also a blessing a great way to be able to feed my family.

"$awbuck" Mike: 18:53

Yeah, no doubt. Are you spiritual at all, or religious uh?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 18:59

you know, I grew up catholic and it was just weird. Then when I moved, my sister was like born again christian and then that was weird. And then, you know, and then part of part of all this stuff, I had to do any of my chores, I had to read the bible, I had to go to her born again christian and it was was crazy with the ones we went to. They were speaking in tongues and falling on the floor so I was just like dude, this shit is so hokey. Come on, man, am I spiritual? Yeah, does it have to be Mohammed? Does it have to be Jesus Christ? At the end of the day, there's something out there, because we didn't just end up up here, but do I know who it is now? Should you be a good person? Yeah, like, what goes around comes around. So I think I'm believer.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:39

Karma you know you put some bad shit out there, it's going to come back to you eventually. Put some good stuff out there, it's going to come back to you too that pretty much echoes my feelings, a lot of our guests feelings.

"$awbuck" Mike: 19:49

So, yeah, that's, that's uh, pretty much right at home. So have you ever seen or experienced anything that you can't quite explain, maybe you know, like something paranormal?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 19:59

Oh, bro yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 20:00

I mean, I got a few of them Like.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:03

let's see my wife, my now wife. We were sitting eating dinner at our table. At the time she had an apartment and this was like during quarantine too, and we're in her apartment, all the kids are.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:15

At the time she had an apartment and this is like during quarantine too and we're in her apartment, all the kids are at the table and we hadn't moved in together yet we're sitting there. It's like six o'clock, sun's starting to go down a little bit and we start hearing like, um, what, what do you call those things? There's like a jewelry box, like the noise, like you know, and you can picture like the thing twirling. Oh yeah, we're like I'm eating and they're like talking, and then we all got quiet and we're like looking and it was like in the corner right, like you could like it was weird but there was nothing there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 20:44

So I'm looking at her, she's looking at me and we're right, and they're all kind of giggled and I'm like what was that? And my chick, like it's like a g. She goes oh the, there's a baby next door. The window must be open. They're probably trying to put him down or something. And I'm like looking at her, I'm like what the fuck? Her phone rings and her dad passed away. Like the stepmom called and goes your dad's not moving. So it was really weird. No, but later on she goes my dad gave me this little jewelry box with a little thing that made that same noise and I was like get the fuck out of here, dude. That was like your dad telling you like he was out. Oh man, that's how I took it 100%. It was really weird to go. Oh my God, like did that just happen? Wow, it was like oh, dude. So that was one of those things that was pretty strange and hard to explain. You're like okay, what happened?

"$awbuck" Mike: 21:36

That's awesome, dude. I got something similar. I used to be a heroin addict. I've been clean 10 years, but I overdosed many times. The first time I overdosed I was in Aurora, illinois. My aunt, who I was very close with still am. She was in aurora, illinois, and my aunt, who I was very close with still am, she was in berwin, which, to give you an idea, is like maybe like an hour away. But I overdosed and at the same time she like saw, like a, like a. She described it like a, like a sprinkling, like a shiny star like, and she was in her house and you know, then know, then she got, like you said. She got the call a couple minutes later and it's like what the fuck is that? Yeah, crazy bro, crazy yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:22

Yeah, I mean there's. Yeah, there's a place where I live in Huntington Beach I'm actually having our wedding reception there this weekend and it's called the Newland Barn. It's been there since like the late 1800s, early 1900s for sure. So it's like this old barn that's been fixed up by the city and it's in an area called the Hidden Valley, so it was like one of the first things structures that was in Huntington Beach and one day I went over there with my kids. There's a restaurant right across you can Mother's Market. It's like a holistic place.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 22:51

So we go in there to eat and I go let's go in there.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 22:52

It was like a nice sunny day. It was a bunch of old, like two old people sitting out the front and they're like yeah, if you put in money, we'll give you like a donation and a tour. So I brought my family, we're walking through and the lady's explaining you know, this was, this was the house. They had 17 kids, the mom had 17 kids and she's explaining it and she points over and she this is the room that they slept in. There there was like a dress. And she starts explaining oh, that was like her wedding dress.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 23:16

And as she says it, all of a sudden it feels like someone turned on an AC and like the back of my shirt is like blowing. So I just felt like it was an AC. I was like, ah, dude, that's cold. And then, john and I, there's no AC in this place. So I look at my wife and I go hey, dude. I go hey, dude, did you just feel that? And she's like come on. I'm like, no, seriously, no, oh my God. So it felt like someone turned on air conditioning and was blowing up the back of my shirt and I was like, oh, my God. And the lady goes yeah, she died here. So I was like oh my God, so that was another one that was interesting.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 23:49

The other day Mike brought it up that, uh, did you know your namesake? There's a guy who, like, worked on vaccines named rob mccullough, who was like peter mccullough.

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:00

I was wrong. It's peter mccullough. It's close. Yeah, peter mccullough I've seen it.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:05

I've seen it. I'm like, oh, I wonder if I'm related to that guy do you uh share any beliefs with him, which is a red pill moment on the uh pandemic it's not that he is he. Is he anti? What is, what is his stance?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 24:19

I think it's like isn't that what he was?

"$awbuck" Mike: 24:21

well he's, I think pretty much he came up with. Uh, he holds like more patents for the mrna vaccine, like that type, than anybody. But he was speaking out against how this isn't gonna work and it's not ready, it's not good. So I mean I don't know if he's anti, but but he was definitely anti COVID.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:38

Yeah, bro, bro, like we get. I'll put it on the record I, I have children and so go back to the mother's market. Right, it's a holistic restaurant. I'm in there before, uh, my first son was born and this girl, she's kind of hot. She goes. Oh, how are you like? Hey, what's up still got?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 24:58

it right and she goes.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 24:59

I saw, I saw that you guys are having a baby and I'm like yeah she's like on facebook and I'm trying to think, how do I know this girl?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:06

and I'm like, oh yeah, she goes. Hey, just so you know. Just so you know. I'm here because my son is on the spectrum and she goes and he was fine until he started getting his vaccines. She's like you should look into that. I had no idea what she was talking about. I'm still thinking how do I know the sheikh? She's kind of hot and I'm like god, I hope it's not my kid. And then just kidding, and I'm like all right, and I'm like, yeah, totally dude. And I'm like what, what's your number? So I I go text my wife and I'm like dude, I don't know what she was referring to, but I'd rather be informed, become this chick's best friend, like, figure out what she's talking about. So the girl was like hey, I'm here because they say you can reverse some of the stuff if you know, change your diet and stuff like that. And so I'm in the total dark, but I do believe in like, hey, dude, you are what you eat, right?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 25:49

so if you're competing at a high performance.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 25:51

Right, you're competing at world championship levels. You can't be eating pizza and ice cream and thinking you're gonna be like right. Yeah bro, I don't wanna have any reasons why I couldn't do well, perform well. So eating was like hey, dude, you put race car gas into a race car. You're not gonna put like cheap gas into your car.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:08

So, I was like all right, my wife at the time was like all right, became best friends with her. They started chatting it up and then they started sharing things and I was like, okay, cool. So what's this whole thing with child vaccines? And since I was a kid there was like four, and now there's like last time I checked it was like 72. I think there's more now on schedule because they included the COVID one.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 26:31

It was crazy the shit they put in that stuff and that they can't explain it to you. And then people just blindly walk in there and ask their doctor. They don't even fucking ask their doctor. The doctor goes hey, your kids need to get the shots. And they're like oh, okay, and then just fucking stick the kid up there. And the MMR, the DTP vaccines are fucking crazy. If you just look up a child vaccine injury syndrome syndrome, that's all I gotta look at vaccine injury syndrome. Depending on your uh, your algorithms, though, right, you look it up and it'll tell you that oh yeah, it's fucking conspiracy theorists. And then other people are like, hey, dude, they've put out so much money because you know people got injured and you can't sue a vaccine company that produces it, which is horrible.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:11

So when the covid thing came up, I I was like fuck, no, dude, no way, are you kidding me? At least like polio and shit has also been around for a long time. They're trying to like get different strains of it figured out, but the COVID thing. I'm like bro, they're going to make everybody guinea pig and they're going to. And now you're seeing it. You're seeing it. How many people have injuries from it, passed away that I've known, or have myocarditis or some crazy AFib? Literally, it's great, and I have an influx of people doing PT with me that I think I'm kind of vocal about it. But now I've kind of realized I've got to be careful because it can hit my money.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 27:48

A lot of the people that are training with me, I know, got vaccinated because they had to keep working. They didn't have the ability to be like I'll just train people in my garage. Vaccinated because they had to keep working. Right, they didn't have the ability to be like I'll just train people in my garage. They're like hey, man, I had to work, so I got shot and whatever, and they're just trying to own it. But now they're like dude, I don't want to die like I'm hearing all this stuff about your heart. So you know, I got a lot of people training and trying to get their heart rate up, and so I'm very conscious of hey, dude, a fit right. I'm like, oh, dude, like this is scary.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:18

So that's kind of my stance on it and people can shit on it or not, but it's fuck, do your own research, man right, and then people are like oh, what do? You do your research on fucking facebook, like that's what fucking computers were made for to do fucking research. Um, you just gotta be careful, right, like you look up on the fucking you could look up is biting the best president.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 28:35

It's like, yeah, totally. There's like, oh fuck, so depending on where you get your material from and if there are other credible resources. But it's, it's interesting, dude, the vaccine does shit, scares the shit out of me.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 28:47

My children are not are you still in california? Yeah yeah, were you in california throughout the whole pandemic. I was I was, and during it my, during that pandemic, my wife left, took my kids, so it was a nightmare.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:02

And I was in. I was in moscow. I was on a world tour for ufcj. I was in moscow and I was supposed to go from moscow to new delhi, new delhi to pakistan, pakistan to tokyo. So I was gonna be gone for a month during cold like right as it yeah well, well, february 2020, I'm in moscow okay, and and not, not, it's winter.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:22

I'm doing the ufc gym, uh training, and it's like it was like the last one of the last days and I was supposed to go from there, from moscow to new delhi. The guy from new delhi sends me a whatsapp and says they're gonna start closing the borders. Bro, him and our buddies had already been there once he goes we're going to close the borders bro, I don't know if it's good for you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 29:41

I already have a visa. He goes yeah, but they might pull your visa in the airport and then you're going to get stuck in New Delhi airport New Delhi sucks, by the way so I'm like oh, and I go what do you want to do? Because these guys are already getting ready to pay me. So he goes man, let's just reschedule it. So then I hit up the president of UFC Gym and I go hey man, what's our stance? And he goes I'm going to leave it up to you, man.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:03

And then everyone started sending me these WhatsApps. It's like 3 in the morning. Hey bro, you should come home. The country's going to shut on the TV and stuff just yet. So then I came home to LAX and then it was weird. You could start, you could tell people were starting to get kind of weird. And then, like a week later, I got a phone call hey, we're gonna furlough everyone. So I have no idea what that means. So I'm like all right, cool. So what are we gonna do? And they're like no, we're furloughing everyone in the office too. And up the guy goes hey, man, by the way, you're gonna need to get medical insurance and I'm like I'm gonna need to get medical insurance, oh, like I don't have a job, so we're gonna hire you back when we start hiring. We just don't know what, what the stance is with, with uh gyms around the world.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 30:43

So I'm like, oh okay, I hang up the phone, I tell my wife and she's like, oh, okay. And then she's like in her head she's like thinking, all right, I'm gonna get. How do I get rid of this fucking dude, apparently, which sucks? So I'm like, uh, all right, I start hitting up everybody I can think of on social media, like there was like the, you know, the uh did you guys get that whole berry app where people were like send you a link.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:06

Oh my god, you know this happened. You click the link and it's a dude sitting there. Did you guys see that, bro? So I kept getting that. So I thought it was funny.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 31:14

And it's in a time where it's like pretty serious, like are we going to die? Is it the end of the world? So I'm sending that to everybody, dude, every time I got one, I'd send it to everybody I knew, because I just thought it was funny. And it was kind of a time where I thought, hey, dude, people need to laugh as opposed to just I have an older mom. She's going to be 88 soon. Like die hard, everything the TV says. She's got to believe the TV. And I'm like fuck dude, like unplug from the TV, dude, we're not all going to die. It was a scary time for that and I was just like oh man. So it was very challenging, to say the least. But I used the mental fortitude of training and was like, hey, dude, this is like a fight, like all right, like I got to get in shape. That was my mindset, just get in shape. Every time I did that, it worked out well.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 32:00

Are you still boys with Tito? Yeah, yeah, I know he was trying to get involved with politics for a while because of you know the blowback from all that stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:09

Was that?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 32:10

in your mind.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:12

No, I think I say too much. I have no filter. I'll say stuff and they'll be like ha, okay, note to self. Nah, I mean it is.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 32:21

It is interesting, though, because the more you think, about it you're like all right, I want to vote Cause, like you know, this feels like there's there's some things where it's like why would I want drag queens reading stories to my kids at school? What? Who's allowing this? But then again, like there's electoral votes, right for the presidency. So it's like really, does my vote matter? Does it, does it, does it not? I don't know. Never really put too much thought into it, to be honest.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 32:46

No, I'm not even registered to vote. Never voted, because I'm under the impression that it doesn't count at all.

"$awbuck" Mike: 32:51

Yeah right, it, yeah right, it's like okay, yeah, totally this year is going to be interesting, though, to see what happens. Uh, you know, with. Obviously, it looks like they're going to have biden run again, and then trump and then kennedy, you know, to see what he does. So should be pretty interesting. I, too, have never voted, but I will admit that this is the first time I actually registered for a voting card, because I am thinking about voting, maybe possibly for Kennedy however, I don't know if I am yet so but yeah, man, I agree with everything you said, dude, about the vaccine and your stance on all that shit. Dude, I'm right there, and I got kids too, and it was fucking tough, dude. It was a tough time with the homeschooling and and all that bullshit yeah, it was really unfortunate.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:34

They're they unfortunate? They're starting to see stuff now they're. You know, it was like a syndrome, essentially for kids that were like tweens, preteens, teens that had to sit at home and hey, is it the end of the world? I don't know. Oh, okay, hey, keep your mask on. Hey, don't right. Some parents were like no, this is all hoax, it's all hoax, it's all conspiracy some parents are like oh my god, don't don't have someone, so we're all gonna die.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 33:56

So I put a lot of anxiety on kids. Unfortunately, it took them away from like social settings, which is really important, especially as you're developing and developing your brain, not to mention you start talking about like uh digital dementia right, kids are just staring at phones and they're like, huh, right now, they're now, they're now, they're ten, tenfold because they got no friends.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 34:14

They're now they're 10, 10 folks he had no friends to interact with. Now, now you take that away from them and they're like, uh, it's scary. And then the then the fact that like there was no school and then they tried to bring it back and it was all online and nobody knew how to figure it out, like it really showed kind of a lack and wait a minute. Not to mention if you're paying a whole bunch of money to go to college. And then you realize, oh, I don't need to go to campus, I can just do it for my wait, so why am I paying all the extra money? Wait a minute. It was interesting, it was unfortunate, because you see a lot of kids that started to fall apart, like suicide and stuff too. It was really sad.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 34:49

I think the whole new normal. And once they started dropping that phrase, I was so like, I was so cringed like, oh my god people are gonna buy it and fall for it too, and that's really what they wanted.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 35:00

They want to, you know, change everything and make everybody more used to this dystopian bullshit and kind of just, yeah, submissive and anxious and always looking for authority that's all it was to me like. After a little bit it became apparent that it was just obey, obey, obey. We know the mask isn't really doing shit, but you got to wear it, like at a point where I was teaching fricking jujitsu class and they were trying to make the class wear masks, and then they're like well, yeah, I guess it's pointless for them to be rolling with each other wearing a mask, like that's not going to do anything, they're already sweating and breathing on each other.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:38

But you're the coach, so you still got to wear a mask. I was like, no, I'm not doing that. That's like painfully stupid for me to wear that. Hey, we're gonna put a plastic screen at the grocery store All right, cool. But you're gonna touch all my groceries first, but I'm in a bag.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 35:45

Thanks, what the fuck.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 35:46

I touch, right that everyone else touch, and then you're gonna take like dude, there's no science by that, the sack. And the best part is I love the trust, the science. That's not how fucking science works. If you understand science, you don't trust science. Science doesn't trust science.

"$awbuck" Mike: 35:59

That's like oh my god I uh, I agree the masks were fucking foolish, but I mean it would have made more sense to wear goggles, because you get, more times than not, you get sick through your eyes, which I just found out recently. So but yeah, that would have made more sense, right than the fucking mask. Like, what are you doing? This is stupid. Are we pretending? We're pretending? Okay? Yeah, hey hey, I get like you.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:19

You got, I get this. You got a cough and you feel like, fuck, I have to go out. Um, yeah, okay, put a mask on. Dude, you got a cough. You feel like you might have something. Sure, that's that's. You know, that's cool, right, but hey, go put one on, because you're breathing normal and it's like what, dude, now my sweaty mouth is a vector for germs and everything else. That's like what the? There was no science behind that whatsoever and anybody who was trying to force.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 36:43

It was like, uh, I got it because I was still flying and doing stuff during quarantine. Like we went to, uh, went to maui. No, we went to waikiki, like october 2020, and uh, it was really sad to see what they were doing. Like we left. We left Orange County, went to LAX, which was kind of weird, left from LAX, went to Waikiki. They had shut down all the local businesses. You had to have all you know vaccination records and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, totally, I would go buy a card. Yeah, I'm vaccinated here you go to get in. They had to wear the mask on the plane and they were like Nazis about like, oh, you took your mask down. And I'm like, oh, my God, stop kidding. And then we get to Waikiki.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:24

I turn on the TV that night and I'm sitting in my hotel room. The streets are really scarce but there's still tourists. A lot of the businesses are closed, except for big, big chains, right, and there's not a lot of them. So the big chains are open, which is like just slap in the face to the locals out there. And I turn the tv on, I'm sitting there and it's like new york, la, and they had people in spacesuits and bodies piled up like they were burning bodies and that was on the news and I'm like how the fuck are they putting this on the news right now?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 37:52

and I'm like you guys see what I go? That's not what it looks like in la. And that was the first time. I was like wow, dude, it wasn't the first time, but I was like, wow, this shit is fucking ridiculous. That's criminal that they're putting that on tv, because everybody that lives in hawaii.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 38:06

If they're, if they're like my mom, their program, just stare at the tv and listen to the tv. They're like, oh god, all the tourists are bad. Oh, oh God, we're all going to die. So that was like a wake-up call, like, wow, dude, you really got to turn that shit off.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 38:20

Army thinks that the mask and the six-feet thing was them trying to test facial recognition. Like, can we identify people when half their face is covered? But let's spread them out just enough so that we can, you know, pinpoint their face. And they're not crowding, you know, like the camera's up. I really think that was part of it, because I noticed a little bit. After that, too, I would go to the bank and some teller I've never met before. Before I hand them any of my info or anything, they're like oh hi, tom. I'm like, how does this motherfucker know my name? How does he know who I am? Like I haven't given him my card.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 38:51

He's never, you know, uh, taking my info, like I pulled up in my car to like where you give him the tube and he knows my name, like did the camera just read my face and identify me to the bank? There I go man now, I'm part of it. Damn it, oh man. Unfortunately, I think we're all going to be part of it one way or another, no matter how much we non-comply oh bro, like I don't, I'm embarrassed to say but.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:15

I have a, uh, a snapchat, right, and that's in order to do it right. And the best part is like, if you have a snap, you've used snapchat.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 39:23

I don't know they uh you have to do like your face you take a picture.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:27

You take a picture and it does a whole. What's your face look like and it's like my eye shape, like you're basically designing the whole thing. Who, who has that that information, though?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 39:35

I believe it's chinese, so it's like oh my god, dude, everyone, just like freely gives them all their information yeah, I mean, and they're one of the biggest surveillance states around and they do have a lot of uh apps that uh have our info. So who knows?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 39:52

I think. I think the new warfare isn't like loading up troops onto a airplane or a ship and flying them over there. It's hey, dude, now everyone's got a cough, now what are you going to do? Now it's just shut down the whole world, not to mention, hey, we're going to have everybody drinking fucking detergent and doing stupid shit because, right, we can go on the platform and everybody thinks it's cool. It's like my fucking god, is this really happening?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 40:13

clown world.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 40:13

There's a there's a coffee shop down the street from my house. It's called dutch brothers it. Since it opened it opened like two weeks ago, I don't know if you've heard of. I've never heard of it there's been a line that's never stopped. And I'm like what, the what, what, and it's like that. That shopping center area it's really, it's really really quiet, it's in a neighborhood, it's small, it's right down the street from my house. It literally I swear if I go over there right now there'll be a line. And they said it's because like tiktok, oh yeah, these tiktok people so people are driving hours to go to this coffee shop. And I'm like what? So it's the social, literally the social influence. I'm like, oh my god, dude, this is mind-blowing we're being manipulated, no doubt.

"$awbuck" Mike: 40:51

It's like when you're talking about, uh, buying shoes, and then you your phone gives you ads about shoes. It's like, okay, what's that dude? What's going on? You're listening always, yeah well, remember.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:03

Remember when they said uh, hey, if you're gonna download the new uh facebook mobile phone app, they will be listening to you. And people are like, don't they're? Everybody was sharing it, don't do it. And everyone's like, ah, fuck it, let's do it. Then people were warning it hey, man, just so you know, this is the, this is gonna be part of it. They're gonna listen to you, but it's, I think they gave you an option to opt out of it? I don't even know, but I think at some point.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 41:22

It was like all right, whatever we'll use facebook and most people will just be like, oh, I got nothing to hide, I'm not doing anything, but that's not the point. Like, yeah, you shouldn't be doing stuff that you need to hide, but that doesn't mean we give up our rights to not be spied on.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:36

Yeah, I was like oh man, crazy, crazy times.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 41:40

Any other conspiracy or alternative views that some might be surprised that you have, that you could, that you would rant on and the table is yours to rant.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:50

Bro, don't get me started.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 41:52

Oh, we're trying to get started. Okay, okay, don't get me started.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:53

Oh, we're trying to get started. Okay, okay, okay. I just literally watched something today. I'm trying to think it was on Netflix, it was really good.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 41:59

It was about this guy who was an investigative journalist and he uncovered something. But it was like so many conspiracies attached to this one thing. Someone was like I ran Contra, I had this whole thing. He's like dude, all these people are doing illegal stuff, whole thing. He's like dude, all these people are doing illegal stuff. And then they found him dead.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:15

That that was really interesting and I was totally into it. I'm like, oh, I can't remember the name of it. It's new on netflix. I literally just got that. I'm watching it. Um, but I mean, we're talking about this, the pyramids like come on, dude, who built the pyramids? Oh yeah, it was a bunch of slaves. They're all over geographically, around the like come on, dude. And and astronomy, like they're all like slaves and just build it up and happen to line it up Perfect. I mean, we could go on forever. That stuff like that is just like thinking logically. They're like, okay, I don't have to like force fit. Oh yeah, this is because grandpa said it. But it's like all right, dude, yeah, I'm trying to think for myself.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 42:50

Do you have any theories on who did build them?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 42:52

Do you have any theories on who did build them, Bro? I mean, with laser cut precision and stuff, it was definitely somebody who was smarter than us and does that? Mean that they live in the sky Like dude. We haven't even searched the ocean, so I mean we don't even know how deep the ocean is. Like they could be living in the ocean for real. God, you know what I mean, there is some weight to that yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 43:11

Right, was it? Yeah, right was it? The American conspiracy?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:14

the octopus murders, octopus murder yes, that's what it was, dude, it was really good yeah, I just look, I loved. I loved how he ended it. He ended it was like it was pretty much open-ended. It was like you can kind of draw your own conclusion. Is everybody crazy that he was talking to, or is there so much stuff in there and they did like they right, they threw in some crazy stuff so that it made all the real stuff look like it was fake. The ending was look like it was fake.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:36

The ending was good because it just kind of like ends in your own. All right, I gotta draw my own conclusion. And it's kind of funny because like I was looking at my wife and she's like what was it? I'm like dude. She starts movies and then starts looking at her phone.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 43:46

I'm like dude, you got ADD. What was the?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 43:59

He was really a writer and then he got a story and then he ended up. They ended up finding him dead, but he had started with this whole the Reagan presidency and how he kind of like stole it, which then went down to like the Iran Contra like turned into this whole thing. So this guy, he died and then they kind of closed the case. This guy reopened it and, oddly enough, the guy that reopened it kind of looked like the dude too, which was weird. And, uh, he started to open up all his cold case files and then started connecting dots and then it started to get really weird because it was like people getting out of jail for doing stuff and then, yeah, you gotta watch it if you're into conspiracy. It was pretty interesting because it was like, oh, okay, it was like oh, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that you can think about and go.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:41

Yeah, okay, I can believe that that makes sense and then mean there's a lot of stuff that you can think about and go, yeah, okay, I can believe that that makes sense. And then there's obviously crazy people that are just like, well, they're 15 minutes of vain. You can kind of see that in there too.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 44:51

One guy kept getting out of jail and was like you got to tell me.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 44:53

There's people dying. Come pick me up and send me over here.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 45:05

It's like that guy wants a free sandwich and and then he's gonna come up with some other crazy story. It's always the uh, the geopolitical, like yeah, more legal and like uh, government official type of conspiracies to get people murked. They'll let us uh rant and speculate about all the crazy shit like the pyramids and atlantis and reptilians and whatever else, because they know no one's gonna fucking believe it. But once, once you go down that route, that is when people start turning up dead there's so much misinformation, dude yeah, that was part of it too.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:27

Did you what you watched it right, the octopus thing no, but I'm going to like tonight probably oh, oh, bro, you gotta watch it. You got, you guys will, I'm telling you. You gotta hit me up later and tell me it's good. I did literally just got watching today.

"$awbuck" Mike: 45:38

I think I started this morning, it was good, just like four episodes, but yeah, they talked about that, that that's part of kind of some of the stuff they'll do, is they just?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 45:46

they infiltrate misinformation. So then everybody kind of sounds crazy and they're like, wait, what? No, that come on, that's too loud, oh, come on. And then after a while people to start to disbelieve it, cuz. I got and then everyone you know draws their own conclusions for some crazy story and then inside there's like the truth, right, so like it's a tactic. They ended up talking to like his son and the guy passed away and that's what he?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:07

did? He was a clandestine guy for the CIA. The part of his stuff was like psychological warfare, where he would get misinformation to people and then they're like wait no, but I was talking about who killed Kennedy, and they're like oh, it's aliens wait, no, but yeah, so it was.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:24

It was a really good. It was a really good show again, draw your own conclusions out of it. But it's kind of nice to just be like all right, hey, I can think on my own, like that's part of being a free society, is not getting? Hey, I can draw my own conclusions. I don't have to like, I don't have to go.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 46:38

Oh cool, that's how it is right, perfect until we get thought crime enforcement, thought law enforcement.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:44

My social credit score for having this podcast no.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 46:50

All of us are accomplices now.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 46:52

Yeah, he said he doesn't get vaccinated. Oh no, all I know is on our YouTube cut.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 46:57

We're going to have to. We can't say vaccine and shit on YouTube, Spotify, we're fine, fine and the other ones. But uh yeah, youtube is cunty about it oh my god, that's so stupid I don't know, you can't even say it.

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:09

I put a little radio edit over it, so it's all good.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:13

Do you think we landed on?

"$awbuck" Mike: 47:14

the moon no I don't either no, it was.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:16

It was a. It was a race right and we were trying to be. Was it the russians? Yep, they had already put. They already put a monkey up there and it was like a. It was a race right and we were trying to beat. Was it the Russians? Yep, they had already put a monkey up there and it was like a. It was a. Whose dick is bigger contest? And then I hit. I don't want these people thinking like, oh shit, everyone's gonna want to be communist. No See, we did it we landed.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 47:34

Why the fuck is the flag flying? Then You're fucking posting those. There's no gravity, right, like what the fuck. So I don't know. Like there was like the uh, there was too many things and it's. It's comedy. Now too, it's more. You think about it. You look at it wait a minute.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 47:53

I mean it makes sense and it's like, oh okay, well, oh yeah, it's one of the more obvious let's get the people behind it right, let's get the people behind it go but we, we lost the ability to go back from 1960s, even though everything else is right I mean they could end.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:06

They can end all the bullshit. All they have to do is show us where the flag is. We should be able to see that clearly, but they say we can't, we don't, we can't see the surface of, of, uh, of the moon, where the flag is, but we can see the fucking surface of mars. How does that make sense? Just show me the flag yeah.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 48:24

Why don't we go back and fuck, yeah, fuck. That's another thing. It's like wait what? Where's all that money going? Where's all that money going? That right? It's like, oh dude I know it's going.

"$awbuck" Mike: 48:34

It's going to ukraine pretty much that's, that's fucking the question that always follows the moon landing.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 48:42

One would be uh, flat earth or round earth yeah, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the flat earth thing like I don't know me too yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's. Yeah, it's a challenging one for me to go okay, I think I've yet to have someone to explain, or I go, okay, there could be to. It sounds kind of weird. You ever run into Eddie Bravo, I know what I was going to say I know Eddie. Bravo. I know Eddie Bravo, he believes it.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 49:10

We've got to get him on here to do it some justice. But all I know is NASA is the one who's responsible for giving us all the info we have on space and the Earth, and they're the ones who fake the moon landing. They're full. It was literally founded by nazis. Pretty much every astronaut has been a freemason and I don't know if it's round or flat, but uh, I don't exactly have much trust for the old nazi space agency yeah, right, okay, wait gee, did you know that nasa owns the rights to the interior of the Great Pyramid of Giza?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 49:44

No way.

"$awbuck" Mike: 49:45

I swear to God, they also own the rights to a part of the Grand Canyon Really the part of the Grand Canyon that in the early 1900s there was an expedition by a gentleman named Kincaid and he claimed to find Egyptian relics like statues and a bunch of Egyptian shit in the Grand Canyon, and that's, coincidentally, the part that NASA has the rights to and you can't go into. So that's fucked up, right, Like what's up with that?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:17

That's interesting.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 50:19

Well, we know the Freemasons love pyramids and the Egyptian like deities and mysticism and stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:26

So it's not really a surprise, but it is shady right, yeah, I mean, there's so much stuff out there it's like okay, well, yeah this podcast will always have something to talk about totally, totally. I can see, I'm with it, I'm with it, definitely not close minded.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 50:45

What does the future hold for Razor Rob?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 50:48

I started a striking system, the Razor striking system. I just saw the inaccuracies of going to all those gyms over the years and having my own gym for the last 23 and just seeing like, hey, dude, there needs to be structure in these. But not only does there need to be structure, there needs to be A. People like to be rewarded, right, hey, I'm showing up for class, I get a stripe. Hey, I'm proficient in technique. Yeah, dude, let's test you out. Let's get you in the group of people that are where your level is at. So, creating that and then A making sure that they're safe. Let's make sure we do a cool down. Let's work on the stuff like the neck and the wrist and all that stuff. Right, you're only as strong as your weakest link. So, taking my personal training background from getting all those certifications from UFC gym and then trying to put that, mold that into like something that would be not scary for the general consumer, that's what we became of and the fact that I saw so many of those gyms not do well and it broke my heart when I got to the point where I was like, hey, dude, I don't feel like I'm going on the road these gyms are opening and then they're closing in six months Like this sucks. I've got to refocus. When I go, I'm going to make sure that every coach there feels like they could, they could leave and they could leave that gym and I'm done with the training and go. Yeah, dude, I got a good understanding of dynamic warmup and how to run and run a class and they could. They could be a. You know a lot more tools in the toolbox as a coach. That kind of helped me. And then I realized that one of those major tools was are they getting sales training? Are they getting like a presentation part of it? Because, yeah, you can be a great fighter and if you're on tv people might think it's cool. But if you're not, are you personable? If you're not, then that's, you're right. You're gonna get the guy who is and he might be like a, you know, aerobics instructor and now you're mad because he's getting a bunch of pt and you're like legit fighter. So it was like this interesting dynamic.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 52:40

I was like how do we make this so it? So it's fun and it's safe and everybody can enjoy it and it's realistic and authentic. And we have numerous gyms here in Huntington Beach. They're all like you could literally fall out my front door right now and roll into a gym with a black belt and an MMA champion. So when we first started, we were the only gym around here, probably on the West Coast, that had MMA. So we've been here for 23 years.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:03

It was a matter of going. Hey, dude, if you come to our gym and then you go to any other gym, you go to kings, you go to any of these other gyms around here um, if you do my striking system and you're in and you're at least a blue band, you're going to be able to uh, you're going to be able to 100 protect yourself. So are you gonna be able to, like, tee off on people? Well, if you've got a really good striker, you're going to know how to block kicks, you're going to know how to move feet, you're going to have a really good, solid base, and so that was the important part for me. So I thought, hey, dude, my legacy is my kids, all of my kids, train, even my daughter. And so to me I was.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 53:49

It was really missing. It was something was missing. Um, I know bang banks has his own system, right, dwayne Ludwig, and it's awesome. He's got a really cool stuff, but the more people that were looked at it and when I started looking at it too. It's so high level, though, that you have to be like you have to be pretty proficient to pick it up, otherwise it's just all over the place right, and if anybody knows he's been doing stuff, you've got to be. You got to have the fundamentals, because when the heat gets hot in the kitchen, it's going to fall back down to, like where you have your fundamentals right and you know how's your strength and conditioning piece to it. So that was, to me, was a regular thing that I think, easily adoptable for regular people to come into a gym, have a good experience or then become pro fighters. I mean, hey, you get what you put into the workouts, um, but no, can you protect yourself if someone swings on you?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:27

yeah if you do this, you're gonna understand how to frame, how to cover, right. Hey, someone grabs you, throws a knee. How you gonna, how you gonna get away? I can do this. So to me that was the razor striking system and it's been doing well, and I'm super excited because it keeps growing badass, love that, love that.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 54:41

And speaking on the coaching thing, I still remember and use a lot of things that you taught us in those UFC gym coaching courses thing. So I'll thank you for that, especially the warmup stuff. That's all really good stuff.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:54

I like the thought behind it.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 54:55

Is there online stuff for people who are not in California?

"Headhunter" Higgins: 54:59

We've been going down that road. During quarantine, trx had me and there I was doing a bunch of warmup stuff for them and stuff on the suspension trainer, I did a bunch of cool workouts. Um, I was doing PTs for them online, but living in a digital space right now, I don't think we have anything that I that I have out. I filmed some stuff for my gym. We disseminated it to our members, but we're going to be doing that with our striking system. Soon we're going to be doing a library with it. That'll be cool, but nothing is up yet.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 55:30

Anything else, Mike, as we're kind of winding this down.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:33

No man, I'm good. Thank you so much, bro. I remember I'm 43. I'll be 44 later this year. I remember just watching you do wec and just yeah, dude.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 55:46

so this was, this was cool for me, dude, I appreciate it oh bro, thank you guys, I appreciate it we'd love to get you back on in the future and we'll definitely be in touch, man yeah, dude, for sure, for sure.

"Headhunter" Higgins: 55:58

I'll always make time too.

"$awbuck" Mike: 55:59

Razor Rob McCullough. You know, for some reason, every time I think Razor Rob, I want to say Riddick. I don't know why I want to say Razor Rob, riddick. I have to catch myself who's Rob Riddick? I don't think it's anybody.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 56:16

It just rolls for you. Yeah, Rob.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:18

Riddick. I don't know why Razor Rob Riddick.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 56:22

I would have thought Razor Ramon. Oh yeah, know why razor rob rick, I would have thought razor ramon, oh yeah, well, you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 56:29

You know, I like my scott hall definitely, uh, but razor rob, legend, true bro, true cool ass guy pioneer definitely knew that would be a good episode with him one thing that I notice from doing the editing is words that we say a lot and like different mannerisms we have with speaking, and one of the things that one of the things that I do way too much is I say this was a fun one, dude. I say that so much and I also say the same thing twice a lot.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 57:09

I'm sure I do the same shit you have certain mannerisms.

"$awbuck" Mike: 57:13

You have long periods in between your words more times than not, but you don't really have like like. I have this weird tendency to when I'm talking I'll do like a, like a, see how I see how I did that. Yeah, see how I see how I did that. Like. I have a weird tendency to do that, naturally. It's weird.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 57:33

I've noticed speaking cadences is a is a weird thing for sure. Um, something that I've always noticed, though it's funny and it was very apparent with a lot of our guests, and definitely all three on this one you can tell when someone has smoked mad weed, you can tell when someone's been a stoner for a long time, because they're speaking cadence and like the pauses that they take and the way they talk is just baked out even if they're not high, just from being a stoner.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:00

No non-stoner has ever done this, Dude. That's a total stoner move. No sober dude. No, you know. No dude has ever done that. That hasn't smoked weed.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 58:12

What's funny is, long before I ever even touched weed too, I felt just like one of those you know, spacey, fucking, goofy skater kids and shit, and that was like my mannerism was, long before I ever even touched weed.

"$awbuck" Mike: 58:27

so maybe being a stoner too is not just smoking weed, it's, it's just an archetype yeah, rob was, uh, he was awesome because he I don't want to say bit, but he uh it sounded like he's at least put a lot of thought and in a lot of the things that we asked him. That was kind of cool man and he wasn't really. He didn't really. You know, there were some areas where he kind of tread. You know he tread a little lighter than a little lightly but, you know, for good reason. But for the most part I feel like he did kind of pretty much go with everything you know, yep, as expected.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 59:06

I remember what we talked about back when I met him in person, when he was certifying coaches at the ufc gym, but we got into a little bit of uh truth or talk back from what I remember. So I was like, oh yeah, he's perfect. Yeah, and plus, being in california, being friends with tito, I'm sure sure that that will fucking alter your perspective. Being in the American, the height of American, I don't even know what to call it really insanity during the pandemic and just leftist fucking extreme, whatever I don't know. Just very brainwashed, very brainwashed. California still has uh restrictions and places where you have to wear mask and shit, if I'm not mistaken. What a joke. I mean, I still see people wearing it regularly, like there's people who are just gonna wear that shit for the rest of their lives.

"$awbuck" Mike: 59:56

Now you see them driving in their car and they have their mascots. Like are you? Like? I don't understand. Like, what are you doing? Like, what is this?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:00:06

Well, what if they take some of the fucking air from outside, from the front of their car, and it comes in through their AC, and then they catch COVID Mike?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:13

It's going to enter their eyes and that's how most people get sick. So it's like, yeah, it's all fucking stupid, it's all stupid.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:00:24

The fucking memes of the people that had like their makeshift masks and like wearing like a water jug over their head or like a, a wetsuit, or fucking like putting like a a shipping bag over their head or something.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:34

That's so fucking funny what's your favorite fast food?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:00:39

what is my favorite? Fast food being a vegetarian, I mean well, so what is my favorite fast food being?

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:00:47

a vegetarian I mean.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:00:48

Well, so if I'm going to judge off of when I was a meat eater, okay, and now? So when?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:00:53

I was a kid when I was a meat eater I was a big uh burger king fan as a kid. They had the uh flame breast, if you asked me, I liked uh. So oddly enough, I was not really a burger guy for them, for burgers. I was more of a McDonald's guy. My go-to as a kid was Burger King chicken tenders, the chicken fries. I think they had the best. I liked those too. Since now, being a vegan, I don't have a ton of options at most fast food places and I don't like to eat like the fake meat burgers and shit, so I pretty much go off of fries fries are the delicacy for a vegan went out, so fuck fast food fries. I'm gonna have to make it a top three because there's some good ones out there. I'm gonna say Culver's number one, really.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:01:42

I like Culver's, culver's has some of the best fries for sure With the cheese sauce. Yeah, I can't have that you can't eat cheese sauce. Nope why.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:01:50

Dairy vegan. Yeah, but okay. Okay, but does it and I'm not being a dick, I really don't know. Does that harm the cow at all?

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:02:06

Well, it's only because the dairy industry, like, they impregnate the mother cow and then they take the baby away and then they make the baby into like veal, or yeah, they make it stand still and like yeah, so like in a way, but they are delicious like I never even ate that shit, when I was, when I was fucking I uh, they are tasty shit, I can't get with that.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:24

They're cute too.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:02:28

They're cute too, but delicious Culver's freaking Wendy's.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:02:38

And who's going to come in third place? Dude McDonald's, when their fries are on point, they're pretty good.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:02:43

Yeah, they're good, but I'm not going to give them top three. A lot of people, most people, will be like what? No, mcdonald's, mcdonald's. When their fries are on point, they're pretty good, yeah, they're good, but I'm not going to give them top three. Most people will be like what? No, mcdonald's, mcdonald's. But no, I'm going to go fucking Culver's Wendy's. And then, in third place, the White Castle White Castle fries. Whoa, they're pretty good too. What a crazy list. I'll probably think of something later and be like no, that that. But uh, wow, culver's is the is the number one see, I would go something like portillo's they do have very good fries too.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:03:14

See, there you go. He just fucking fucked up my list. I hope they're so good, they're like.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:03:21

They're like potato fan man me too. Dude, me too. Portillo's is like culver's fries and steroids yeah, they kind of are honestly.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:03:32

So by the time this one's out, our viewers will have heard our irish episodes about the famine and just irish history and you know me being a very high ir Irish ancestry and loving all things Irish, I certainly love potatoes and I thought to do an experiment.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:03:48

I was talking to some of my training partners and friends, like what if I ate nothing but potatoes Like a 17th century Irish person, like literally just potatoes For how long? Boiled potatoes for maybe like two months, and see like, would I lose size? Would I lose muscle? How would my energy levels be Like? What would it levels be like? What would it actually be like? Because I do believe some diet like like some people might not respond well to a vegan diet. Some people might not respond well to like the carnivore diet, something like it's. I think that there's a such thing as like a you know, an ancestral diet, or like a familial or like a personality or ethnic diet or something.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:25

You're going all liver king on me.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:04:28

So, a little bit, yeah.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:30

Seven ancestral traits.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:04:32

Yeah, he's a corny fuck, but you know what I'm saying? Like, maybe more so, like what your ancestors were surviving on, like your body is you know.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:04:41

Meant to be like that, more wired to eat like that for sure.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:04:45

That's why, if the irish were surviving on just potatoes. So like veganism is easy for me. If I was just gonna eat some fucking carbs and some beige foods all the time, like that, that works. So like I kind of want to want to see, but maybe somebody who I don't know, maybe they are more from like a tropic area or like a heavy, heavy meat culture, like they probably wouldn't be able to do that or veganism wouldn't go super well for them. But yeah, might have to try the potato experiment.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:11

Yeah, that's why they say that fasting for days at a time is good. Now they're finding that because, like you said, they believe that you know, think about it Back in the day. You know, if we were in the the same tribe, you and I would go out and we'd hunt and maybe we wouldn't catch anything for three days because we well, we'd be hunting it, we'd be on a you know on a hunt and then that fourth day we nabbed it and then we brought that fucking catch back to camp and now we eat, we eat good for, you know, 10 days, but then then what? Now we gotta go fucking hunt again. So it's like we might not eat again for a day or two. So they believe that you know that intermittent fasting, I think, is with shorter periods of time, but this is more like daily kind of fasting.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:05:54

So and do potatoes. I don't know I wouldn't do just, I couldn't do just boiled, but I could do if you said, hey, you gotta just eat potatoes. Like I can do whatever. Like if I could just make things with potatoes because I could do french fries, I could do potato pancakes oh yeah, I could do. Fucking hash browns, fucking tater tots, uh, fucking baked potato, potato chips. I could do, I'm done. I could dude.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:06:21

I fucking love all that of course and I don't remember if we talked about it with Nathan in the rambling current episode, but I think the average Irish person ate I could be fucking wrong five to like ten pounds of potatoes a day, at a point back then when that was just their, their whole diet, you know, just eating pounds of potatoes every day and that's just boiling them up in a big kettle and fucking eating them.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:49

Dude, I mean if they didn't have salt.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:06:52

Oh, I mean yeah I'd have to salt it up.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:06:54

I'm sure they probably had maybe butter, but who knows, most of their food was being exported so have you ever seen the original movie alive that is based on the argentina, the argentina rugby team, the rugby team that crashed? They just did a um. They just did a remake document uh, like a four-part. Uh, it's like a foreign film too on it, but it's a true story the, this rugby team in the 70s, I think, or 60s. It crashed in the fucking um in the andes mountains, dude and like, in the border of like, uh, argentina, I think, and something, and dude, like they were there for months, dude, and most, a lot of them didn't make it and eventually they had a turn to eating the dead people.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:07:40

Oh, yeah, yeah, I have heard about that. So it's like what, what would you do in that situation? Because not only like, are you're a vegan, right, and but now it's like that's the ultimate choice. It's like you go from being a vegan to like, like you're faced with the choice of having to eat a human to survive. Because, okay, it's like. I think it's one of those things where I honestly don't know, because it repulses me, obviously, but if I'm in that situation and I'm literally like, if it's that or death, it's like maybe I would in that situation. I don't know, I'd like to think, I don't know.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:08:17

I mean, I don't know, I probably would. But uh, I mean I'm disgusted by meat at this point. But like, don't get me wrong, dude, if shit hits the fan, like people like us in our audience think it's going to and I'm fucking vagrant man out in the woods trying to survive you better believe I'm starving. I'm going to eat that squirrel, I'm going to eat that fucking bird or bunny or whatever. Like I don't used to see, like I don't have a problem with people who hunt and just eat their animals if they are like truly off-gridding, like I don't think sport hunting is very cool.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:08:44

I'm obviously against factory farming and that type of shit. And like if someone was to just go take their fucking, you know like some tribal shit, like some hunter-gatherer shit, all right, you killed your animal, now you're gonna eat it. Now you're gonna live off that for a while. Like then, when the time comes, you go take another, like that's fine, you're not creating like mass suffering, like factory farming and all that shit, that's I. That's why I can't get down with. And like I chose to be vegan because I don't want to support that type of industry. But yeah, man, if shit hits the fan like I'm, I'm gonna eat the food that's available, though, being a cannibal, yeah, that'd be nasty. I'd probably try the grass and the bark and the acorns and whatever else I could before he comes to that, but fuck.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:23

Right, that's fucked up to think about.

"Razor" Rob McCullough: 1:09:28

There's our forwarder. I don't know the fucking positions in rugby, I don't know. There's our safety say for football terms. He's been dead for a week. Alright, let's fucking throw him on the fire. No, they didn't have no fire bro. Oh, so they're just fucking raw flesh.

"$awbuck" Mike: 1:09:43

These dead bodies were packed. They packed them into the ice when they would die and then they would have to like they had like pieces of like broken, like edged metal from the wreck and they would use that to cut the fucking flesh and they were eating this half frozen fucking flesh. Dude, that is it. Changes it? Yeah, so morbid. I know it's bad, dude. If you want some more of this craziness, you can follow us on social media, I don't know on all the major platforms twitter, x I know that's the same thing instagram, two truth seekers. You can support the podcast too, if you want. You can go to patreon and Chill, become a member of Syndicate, and or you can support us by clicking the little support button on whatever app you're listening to us on, for as little as $3 a month. If you want to help us and you don't have any money, it's all good, just give us a five-star review.

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"Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:18

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