#14 | Brandon Kroll | Occult Connections, Symbolism, and Trump | "Lord I Want You To Steer The Helm Of My Ship"

Prepare for a mind-bending journey as the one and only Brandon Kroll joins us, peeling back layers of the occult and revealing the insidious symbols scattered throughout our pop culture landscape. With Brandon's unique conservative libertarian and Christocrat contrarian lens, we delve into ancient myths, explore the secretive underpinnings of society, and question the very fabric of our historical understanding. From the Freemasons' long reach in American history to the potentially divine origins of the Celtic races, this episode is a tapestry of thought-provoking revelations.

Venture into the realm of the esoteric with discussions that intersect religion, mythology, and the ubiquitous language of symbolism. We connect the dots between sun god worship evident in Trump's penthouse decor and the transformational power of Christian baptism. It's a narrative-rich escapade that examines the reinterpretation of religious texts and the enduring allure of Hollywood's star-studded firmament. The implications of spiritual journeys and celestial events are laid bare, inviting listeners to reassess their understanding of the extraterrestrial and the divine.

Conspiracy theories aren't just the stuff of whispers; they are boldly unpacked here, especially with the figure of Donald Trump and the swirling prophecies that surround him. We scrutinize the MAGA phenomenon, Trump's biblical parallels, and the prophetic role he may play in a future that teeters on the edge of revelation. As we close, we ponder the power of the Flat Earth conversation and our dream of hosting trailblazers like Eddie Bravo, tying together a session that's as rich in intrigue as it is in chill vibes.

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Transcript

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 0:00

Anticon. All right, well, nothing do it. What's the saying? Nothing do it, then did nothing to it.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 0:21

What to do it?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 0:22

Nothing to it, but to do it. Yeah, I couldn't get that out there. So what's good it's going on in the world.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 0:31

Do you guys chill vibes?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 0:33

Mike.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 0:33

Yeah, that's a good one.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 0:35

Yeah, we got the conspiracy and chill podcast. We are two truth seekers exposing the keepers and you know, Tom and I always hit you with those deep dives and give you chill vibes, right.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 0:46

Summs it up pretty perfectly, if you ask me.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 0:49

I think so we got.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 0:50

Brandon and roll Brandon Crowell on this episode. That's gonna be a. That is gonna be super entertaining for everybody. Before we get into the you know it's all the good shit that you probably tuned in for Just a couple of housekeeping notes, I changed my ex and my Instagram handle to saw book Mike. There's a story behind that that maybe next time Tom and I do our Podcast together, that I'll get into it. But yeah, for now, it is so about Mike. Also, we want to thank some of you just by the handful Maybe a half dozen or so of you real hardcore, loyal fans that the podcast is released at 5 am and by 5 30 am there's a handful of you guys that have already downloaded it, so you know who you are. Shout-outs, you guys. We fucking appreciate it tremendously, and everybody else. I've noticed we have more five-star reviews, so we do appreciate that too. Yeah, we appreciate everything. We're just fucking nice. It's like a retard, but we appreciate everything sounds.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:48

Sounds like we've got a good amount of YouTube Attention to which I wasn't expecting that. How so looks like the videos views have been going up.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:57

We got a lot of subscribers, even though we do really been like a week the subscribers are yeah, they were going up pretty pretty quickly, so pray. And what was crazy is because for us we appreciate every single one. So you know, when we get a few, that's like, you know, that's big to us. So when we're noticing we're getting, you know five, six, seven at a time and we don't even have any content up there. We're thinking that's fucking crazy. But yeah, we appreciate it, oh yeah.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 2:22

And YouTube isn't the most you know popular way to consume podcasts, but some people still evidently Like to do it that way, so we'll keep providing it for you out there.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 2:33

No doubt. But yeah, Brandon Crowell, this is the guy that you were trying to get on the show. You got him. He is very well versed in in A lot of cool biblical shit from what you were saying definitely he.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 2:49

Uh, on his page he says self described as a conservative libertarian, christocrat Contrarian, and, uh, I like to, you know, go for the deep dives on the secret societies and what their occult beliefs are and like what they trace you know their lineage to and the obvious symbolism that people in the you know truth or community point out, like you know celebrities and stuff making these gestures or posing a certain way and, uh, you know Just symbolism and pop culture and stuff that almost seems like way too obvious hidden in Plain site. But he takes it to another level. So he's on a deep dive of his own. We'll have to get his expert opinion, while also dumbing it down for both you and I and anyone listening who might not be as uh, far down these Trails. Deep dives, chill vibes, bro Bingo, this was a fun one. He lines up perfectly with, uh, you know, like I said, just kind of the general thing that people in this community try to point out.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 3:50

Dude, did you hear about? This happened, I think, like maybe two weeks ago as we're recording this, it was in florida. Hulk Hogan rescued a lady that flipped her car over, I guess, and he rescued her. But here's the crazy part he was interviewed, you know, right after the fact you know how they do, they in the news interviews him that, uh, he was wearing an nwo shirt. So imagine, imagine this, bro you flip your car, you think you're gonna die because you're trapped. Your car, your car's gonna catch on fire. You're bleeding, you look out the window and all of a sudden you see hulk hogan coming in an nwo shirt to save you. Save you. What the?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 4:29

fuck bro, that is some shit I would literally have expected to happen when I was like a little kid. If I got no car accident, like, oh, no worries, you know, hulk hogan is gonna come save me, or something you want to. You want to know some funny ass shit. When I, when 9-11 happened, I was probably I don't know like dude, seven years old and, just like any other little kid at the time, was confused as to what was happening and like, oh what.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 4:50

These countries attacked us, like you know, and like they're feeding us the terrorist narrative word for word. I told my mom and dad I was, like what they need to do? Is they need to just send all the wwe over there to beat up these guys? No, you didn't, I did. I thought that that would solve it. I was like you know, like these are the toughest, strongest guys in the world. Can you imagine if they just went and fought the terrorists? It would be over in an instant. Like dude, we got the big show. We got mark henry. Like they don't stand a chance. Like, oh my god choke slam the terrorists.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 5:17

The world's most dangerous slam will take care of them all oh man as my childhood naivety and uh, I'm a paradigm at the at the time wait so you were only seven years old when 9-11 happened.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 5:31

Um, you had to be older than that, dude, because I was. I was the math checks out. I was 21, bro.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 5:37

Uh well, I was in third grade, so, however old you are, in third grade. Holy shit, dude, I'm so old, yeah, I was uh, I was 31 and that was 2001, so Damn, yeah, well, okay, yeah, I'm what.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 5:52

So I'm uh, you're gonna be 31 this year. Yes, when about a week, oh shit, so coming up, okay, I'm gonna be 44 in august. So, yeah, like 13, I'm 13, got like, yeah, 13 years on. You, holy fuck. When you say 13 years, that's one way of saying it, but when you, when you say I was 21, right, and that is kind of a weird fucking thing. So, yeah, this one was fun. Brandon crowle, super knowledgeable, covered a lot of things and I think everybody Will enjoy. What do you think?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 6:27

let him hear it. All right. So here we are. We got brandon crowle, an independent researcher and uh, self-proclaimed podcaster, for hire. He is a extreme deep diver. I found him on instagram and I love what he's posting on there, and thanks for coming on, dude.

Brandon Kroll: 6:43

Appreciate you having me on.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 6:45

One of the the main things that I see from your page is, you know, breaking down secret society, symbolism and the occult practices of, you know, the elite or the, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, kind of things that people in the truth seeker or conspiracy community, if you will, are are pretty privy to and, like, you know, like to use as a, you know, like a whistleblower effect to kind of point out things to people who are a little more naive, like, hey, look at these, you know they're all flashing the same symbols, they all kind of have the same Mystical, occult beliefs. But you definitely take it to a whole another level and, if I'm not mistaken or you said, you're related to albert pike.

Brandon Kroll: 7:23

I am um and ben franklin and ben franklin.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 7:27

Yep, oh boy. So before we get into all this, then why don't you tell us a little bit about how you kind of went down this deep dive?

Brandon Kroll: 7:34

Yeah, sure thing. Um, well, first of all, thanks for the opportunity. I usually don't get personal inquiry podcast, so it's kind of fun, uh. But yeah, um, I guess this all kind of started that I've always had a little bit of a rebellious streak based on my childhood and again, I'm not going to go into detail that but it just was building a foundation mindset where I was very much Against. Like you know, this is the way it's always done. You have to do it this way, and I was one of those people. I was like, okay, well, give me a reason why. Like why do we do the things that we do? And Never was really getting answers. So I was very independent in that sense.

Brandon Kroll: 8:11

I went to a college that was in florida, very denominationalist, focused, and I was like your guys are having us memorize things that I don't think I'm ever going to be able to use later on in life. I ended up doing horribly, came back to do a community college and it was there I met a professor by the name of uh finkel and it was English literature and he was making us do stuff that was, um, like animal farm, shakespeare, the iliad, and he was one of those guys like it wasn't just an english class for him. He wanted you to experience and be involved with the characters itself. So, like with animal farm, he has like all put the tables together and sit around the tables, and then we are all looking at him like okay, this is an typical english class. What do we do next? He just goes and he like point, gives a little silence and he points to the slide and just like discuss among yourselves. And it was, it was a psych, psychological thing to get us thinking like which character are you in this book? Who's going to take the initiative? Who's the one that's laid back? And then how can you add that to your personal life? And then he did us.

Brandon Kroll: 9:16

He had us read the odyssey and I was Totally. I'm one of those guys like when I get something, I want to do it different than anybody else in the classroom. So I hit that and I said, what if he's suffering from pdsd? And he's just like what?

Brandon Kroll: 9:29

So I wrote a whole paper on that and, um, he loved it and he's like you really should probably consider, uh, you know, looking into like right, writing professionally, because you're actually fairly decent at. And I was like, well, you know, I always love writing, I love writing fiction and I have a whole trilogy thing that I dabble into um. And then a couple months later I was watching one of those spooky videos on the occult or like alien stuff on facebook and somebody mentioned a guy by the name of dr Michael hyzer. I read his books and Ever since then it's been a rabbit trail all over the place and I just fell in love with finding out with mythology, symbolism, occult and just history in general. So I kind of found my little niche right in the middle where I can explain that um be a history and symbolism to everybody.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 10:16

Symbolism is one of the very few things we kind of have to go off of with these secretive groups because, as so-called you know in quotes, secretive as they are, seems like they kind of get off on hiding in plain sight by Slashing their symbols whether it's, I don't know, to communicate with each other or maybe have you know, an influence on our Collective consciousness, by flooding us with these symbols and these signs all the time. What do you think about that? Is it more of a you know they're showing off, or are they Communicating? Are they casting a spell on us?

Brandon Kroll: 10:44

Well, it's a little bit of both. I mean, I look at it from a biblical perspective because I've connected the dots and I call it From the tower of babel incident that God changed all their languages so they couldn't build a tower To heaven, which is what they were trying to do. They're trying to go to war against the heavens. So if you're going into billy karstens stuff, he'll say it's like the anunnaki or stuff like that.

Brandon Kroll: 11:06

In Enoch this was known as the fallen watchers. They came down, had affairs with the daughters of men and this created the cryptids, the nephilim, or giants. And this is where they're taking passages of scripture and justifying invasion of another land right now in the Middle East, when it was like, no, that was going up against an angelic, abominable offspring has nothing to do with individual people, um, but nimrod's family, um, particularly his son to moose, they concocted this whole posse scheme like a bernie made off thing of. Oh, nimrod's dead, but guess what? His son was regenerated and this is him in the flesh. So if you listen to him, um, I was reading the emerald tablet and it was a translation from isaac newton, who was also An alchemist, and there's a phrase in there that was dang similar to carl sagan Of. I am like. The highest achievement that will, however, will be in heaven, in the heavens or below, and as above so below. So we're getting the satan, or baphomet as people, right.

Brandon Kroll: 12:08

It's a misnomer, I would say that leans more towards to moose this guy. That's stemming from the occult. After the the babble, all the languages were confused so they couldn't understand each other and so, like a deity, telephone game started to occur to describe the personalities of everybody in the family. And, of course, what else do you have if you can't speak the common language? You have symbolism. So the occult is still acknowledging that via their symbolism, with esoteric, which is hidden and exoteric, what the plebe society knows. You'll see that as a rock-on sign Whereas they're going. That's the curse of satan. Or, you know, hailed, the divine man sign with 666, which means you can obtain Godhood status without creator god. That's ultimately what they're boasting that we can achieve an ascension without god.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 12:59

So basically, like their whole thing is the gnostic yeah, like new age-ish yeah type of a deal.

Brandon Kroll: 13:05

So when it comes to become their own gods.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 13:08

Yeah, essentially the uh, luciferian versus malachian Thing. Do you have any opinions on that, like how some of these cults seem to favor one or the other? Is it all kind of the same shit?

Brandon Kroll: 13:21

Well, that's what I try to tell people is that From a lot of the books that I read, one minute it's like the Masons are against the Jesuits and the Jesuits are against the Masons. Or next minute they're like merging to off Abraham Lincoln of something I was doing a deep dive with. So it's like almost like a front of me alliance. At this point I'd say they're all pretty much the same it's the same organization, different head. So it's like whack-a-mole. You try to take out one. You still got 90-something mothers all over the world that can just take their place.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 13:50

Kind of what I've always thought with it, like it's all just a big theater and they're kind of just yeah, they're playing all the different parts.

Brandon Kroll: 13:57

Yeah, it's an orchestra. It's an orchestra of deception.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 14:01

So there's an emerging theory amongst a lot of academics One of the primary ones is Diana Walsh Pasolka. She is a writer and a professor of religious studies at North Carolina University. There is an emerging theory that what has been depicted as angels and demons in the Bible are actually what they are calling UAPs, or these non-human intelligences. No, I wanted to know your thoughts on that.

Brandon Kroll: 14:32

That's actually one of my favorite topics. I could have covered this a little bit on the cryptid warfare and I'm gonna try to explain it. It might not be exactly what she's talking about, but I can kind of give you my perspective on a field vein connecting into that. So when it says in Enoch that when these watchers came down and had affairs with daughters and men Anunnaki, whatever that when Scott punished these Anunnaki he locked them under the river Euphrates. And right now it's said in Revelation, when it dries up, that's when these four beasts will come out and it's known as the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. That's where that all connects too.

Brandon Kroll: 15:07

A lot of Christians don't even know that because they start like oh, enoch is not canicle, it's the apocrypha, so it's not relevant. But what it states in Enoch is that he's telling these angels that violated the code in heaven. You're not supposed to come down and do this. You're from a different realm. This is not what you're supposed to do. Basically stated that when your kids die, the giants, the Nephilim, they're not gonna go down to Tataris or Shio to visit you. They're not gonna come up to heaven because they're an abominable offspring, they don't belong up here. Instead, they're going to roam the earth for 70 generations, until the time of the end.

Brandon Kroll: 15:41

So we actually get the root word demon. It stems from the Greek daemon D-A-E-M-O-N, and that it means a spirit being. So when people are getting demonically possessed and stuff like that, it's not from a fallen angel per se. It's more so by their kids, the giants. This is why they have incredible strength. They're able to throw somebody across the room when you're watching these ghost shows or whatnot.

Brandon Kroll: 16:05

That's where this is stemming from, and what I figured out is that I think what they're trying to do with, like Elon Musk, with the chips, robots, the animatronics that you see, with these giant pup and maché monsters, is that I think the phone watchers are gonna try to give their kids bodies back and they're going to do that via transhumanism and whatnot. Kind of create like a zombie parasitical grid, if you will, kind of like the Matrix. But if you get this mark of the beast, as it's talking about in Revelation, that that means now you can be indwelled by this demonic possession. You're basically saying I consent to be branded into this system so that now they can just fluidly travel through everybody in a demonic possession grid and kind of be like an agent Smith and pop up anywhere. Also, that they can now get bodies back via robots or the amatron demon thing, those creepy puppets you see and the parades going on these days. That's kind of where I see. Where they're going with all this is they're trying to get their kids' bodies back. That makes any sense.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 17:14

No for sure. That's a very cool and interesting take. I love how you got so much crazy information that I've never heard before, like the Daemon and stuff like that. That's super awesome. Dude, you mentioned Billy Carson a little bit earlier. I wanted to get your thoughts on him. I've researched him, like many have, and I'm not such a big fan, but I want it to know what you think.

Brandon Kroll: 17:39

I am not a fan of Carson at all. I have actually challenged him to a debate six times and he keeps running away from me. He does not even answer. I'm like dude, because the stuff he's talking about he's saying like the Emerald Tablets are good stuff and Hermes is a great guy and I'm over here like no. Hermes is another variation of Nimrod's on Timus. That basically says we can achieve our own Godness.

Brandon Kroll: 18:00

I don't know why you want to go to Creator, god, the fallen angels or watchers. They already gave us the secrets of the universe. I mean, they were from there, right? I already translated this stuff, so we don't need them. And it was on the two pillars of Lamech. Lamech was one of Cain's descendants, so you have Adam and Eve, cain and Abel. Cain slew his brother Abel, if you're familiar with that Bible story, and what it appears happened is that after Cain was banished, with the mark of Cain which was very probably similar to what you see for the mark on Harry Potter's forehead it's probably very similar to that that he went to Mount Hermon Mount Hermon in Hebrew means cursed or forbidden and he offered up his daughters for this angelic orgy, to come down and have affairs with the daughters of men so constantly when you're reading in Greek mythology or whatnot, that the gods came down and you're the son of Zeus or whatnot. That's where that stems from and this is the reason why they would put statues on top of their temples, because they were trying to entice the gods to come back down and be amongst men once more.

Brandon Kroll: 19:05

Hermes or Timus, thoth Thoth is where we get the word thought from wise wisdom. He translated these tablets by Cain's descendant, lamech, and it was these pre-flood God flooded the earth because with the watchers taught man and the Nephilim and whatnot, god's like. We got to wipe it all out and he did for the majority part. Some Nephilim survived somehow still looking into that one myself and the two twin pillars or the emerald tablets were translated, and so Timus basically rebooted what was pre-flood and he introduced Cuneiform, where we get astrology. He's likely the Prometheus, where we get fire from. And I state this because Prometheus is known as a messenger between the gods, as is Hermes, as is Thoth always depicted with the Caduceus staff as his Baphomets manhood.

Brandon Kroll: 19:59

And what I don't like about Carson is he's basically pitching that Hermes is a good guy here and I'm like no, he's not, because basically, his ideology is what stems all the other occults, saying that we don't really need a creator God, because he already figured it all out. Everything we need is down here. That's it. This is the highest we will ever obtain or achieve, and what I think Billy Carson is is a controlled opposition so that when people are buying this idea of an alien invasion with Project Bluebeam, that they'll be looking at the space gods returning as a good thing and it's going to fix our society.

Brandon Kroll: 20:41

And whoever's going to be the messenger or the mediator between the gods is going to be the Antichrist figure, most likely Now, while they're gonna have us all looking up as they're coming down in reality I think it's going to be coming up from the River Euphrates, but they want us to get the idea believing in aliens and extraterrestrial life when in reality it's going to be fallen angels coming back. So that's my take on Carson. Sorry to be long-winded, but I don't like him.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 21:09

No, that's great. That's good stuff, man. I echo a lot of that. I'm not a huge fan. Are you familiar with Matt LeCroy at all?

Brandon Kroll: 21:18

Names ringing a bell like crazy. Does he have a show?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 21:21

I'm sure he does. Yeah, he's been on a lot of podcasts and his thing is kind of similar. He doesn't claim to be a prophet or anything, but he's done a lot of really good research. He doesn't bullshit like Carson, I don't know, I just get, but my bullshit meter just goes crazy with him. Great same. Yeah, it's crazy man. You mentioned Hermes Trismegistus Thoth. Yes, You're the first person that I've heard with the take that he was a bad guy. Can you kind of elaborate on that a little more?

Brandon Kroll: 21:50

Oh, hell, yeah. So I mean, I've done other shows and since this one's not visually stimulating, where I can actually present slides and kind of be like you see this, you see this. I'm not making this up, this is an exact quote and description, but you can tell a lot just with the symbolism, especially like the Caduceus staff. That's known as the Herald's Wand and it's attributed to both Thoth and Hermes. Again, that's the Egyptian equivalent, that's the Greek equivalent. So across the Mediterranean they're having things going on. Baphomet again, goat guide, and it's very interesting with goat guides because you've got Pan, you have Dumazid, and this is where I've connected it to Trump.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 22:34

Donald Trump.

Brandon Kroll: 22:35

Trump has a modern yes.

Brandon Kroll: 22:36

Wow, he has a modern variation of Tammuz's name. Donald stems from a Donis. Donis means Lord, as did Bale, bale, hermon, bell, hermon. That connects to Mount Hermon Mount Hermon, hermon, where we get Hermaphrodite, where we get Hermes from, again Hermaphrodite. When you get with Baphomet, there's another connection there Pansexual pandemonium, pandemic. When you, oh, this is what I want. Okay, so now I can connect this to the two. Sorry, when you are looking on Baphomet's arms you have one tattoo that says Solve, which is an alchemy term of coming into existence or bringing something into form. And then you have Quagula, blood clot.

Brandon Kroll: 23:25

9-11, two towers coming down is the ascension day for coronation day. It's 9-11 was coronation day for kings in ancient Israel. The two towers coming down was representing the two emerald towers. Then now he can ascend. Corona in Latin means crown.

Brandon Kroll: 23:43

So when I'm connecting this stuff, I'm looking into etymology so we get to somebody like Trump. So we get Donald means a Donis means Bale or Lord. That's what the name means. And then we find the equivalent. What's the equivalent down there? Well, the equivalent over there would be a Dumazid. Dumazid with a Sumerian goat, shepherd God. And then we get Dumazid's equivalent was Tommus, and Tommus is mentioned in the Bible, in Ezekiel 814, in relation to sun god worship, and it was an abominable ceremony. So I was like, okay, so now we have a connection with sun god worship. Let's see.

Brandon Kroll: 24:20

Does Trump have anything in tie with this? Yes, he has three sun god relics up in his penthouse tower Happens to be the before address used to be 666. He just happens to have the all seeing eye between two pillars up there. Now, if you see that your social security, you'll have two pillars on each side. Why is there a falcon, beast or a bird of prey? Whether he can be an eagle, it could be a falcon, it can be a hawk. That would connect to Horus. Horus is a sun god, as is Apollo, as is Helios. Heliocentricism, where we get our globe, earth, from Ra would be more so. Nimrod's sorry, tommus's father, and then was a couple other ones. Yeah, pretty much I just think of a sun god. That'd be an equivalent.

Brandon Kroll: 25:08

So I was trying to figure out okay, if Hermes is such a good dude, how come he connects so much to this all seeing eye and sun god worship stuff? Cause, like, even when you get the Halos in the Catholic church, where did that stem from? Well, that came from Egypt, and Catholicism is not Christian at all. It's a counterfeit as hell, and that's really pisses me off. When I'm hearing people saying it's Christian, I'm like no, it's not. So we get the Halo from there, where you get the little Pope's hat from. You get that from Mesopotamia and that used to connect to the Philistine god, dagon the fish god.

Brandon Kroll: 25:42

So I'm over here going. If Hermes is such a good guy, how come these people are worshiping him or killing people in his name? He's over here trying to teach man that we can become gods ourselves, which, if you know the story of the Garden of Eden, the snake comes up to them and says if you listen to me, you shall be like gods. And it talks about that in Genesis 6, 4, that the sons of God came down and had affairs with the daughters of men. Now a lot of people like to just think oh, it's just God up there by himself.

Brandon Kroll: 26:16

No he had a heavenly counsel. What I think was happening is why he sent Christ is because it's not God incarnate. I'm really against the triune part in Christianity. If anything, he was sending his son to redeem new people on this side of this realm because they can't go up there yet. Why? Because they need a sacrifice. They need something to break that realm barrier. Hence the baptism.

Brandon Kroll: 26:43

And when he was baptized by John the Baptist, that was the breaking of a barrier, because personally I'm a domer. But if you were listening from that perspective, it's supposed to be firmament. That's what it means in Hebrew, means solid dome and it says waters above waters below in creation. So by being baptized he's now breaking that barrier so that those who follow or accept him can be indwelled with a Holy Spirit from another realm celestial. Because then you get the verse later on in the New Testament that says behold what manner, the love of the Father, that we Christians, saints, those who are set apart, can become sons of God. So who? What does that mean? Our last time I saw sons of God, this was in Genesis. How we sons of God?

Brandon Kroll: 27:27

Because personally what I take, a lot of Christians get mad at me for this one, but I said, I think we're replacing them. That's why spiritual warfare or supernatural warfare, they're pissed because we're replacing them in a heavenly council perspective, as opposed the other way around, where they used to be up there, and they're like, oh shoot. So by him coming back to life, he in the flesh, that who he was not reincarnated like Nimrod or Tammuz that's what they're trying to pitch is that Tammuz came back and he was reincarnated of his dad. It's like no, they stayed dead. Christ came back. That's the significance of resurrection, as opposed to regeneration and reincarnation. It's a parody. That's why I call him Christ pagan doppelganger. So him trying to pitch this whole thing like you can be reincarnated, you can have immortality. If you die, you'll become a God on the belt of Orion, which is why they have stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. They truly believe that they can ascend and become like gods.

Brandon Kroll: 28:24

People in ancient Hebrew were known as Star Walkers. This is where happens to be a Jewish individual, the guy who wrote Star Wars, george Lucas, luke Skywalker. It used to be Star Walker or Star Killer. Yeah, all interconnects because of the mythology or the or the traditional sense of stuff coming down. Does that make sense? Yeah, I feel like I just went all over the place. I'm not sure if that explained it, though.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 28:52

No, it does. And to speak for Mike and myself, we both definitely were hardcore alien and UFO guys and I was a big Davidite guy. We both were raised Catholic and kind of like we got away from that. I was not really into the whole idea of religion because of Catholicism and it was just so dry and boring. I even dabbled with some Celtic paganism stuff at a point and eventually reached the understanding like, oh, no shit.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 29:20

Like yeah, this is, this is all angels and demons. When it comes to the aliens and like the pantheons of other gods and Odin or Kurnanos and all this other stuff. And it really is the people who kind of push the narratives or the alternative, thinking like we're saying with like the hermetic stuff or Billy Carson and these other guys. It's like they know that people are going to eventually pick up on this kind of thing as it's, you know, coming back into the consciousness If they can just lead you just enough astray. There's not the God aspect of it where it's like, no, you're your own God or you can, you can become a God yourself, like because the whole Davidite thing, it's like a lot of what he says is actually true, but he leaves out the one main aspect of it. Like the, the God and demon party tries to paint it, as you know, interdimensional beings from another star system or some shit instead of demons. Yes, wild stuff.

Brandon Kroll: 30:16

And that's even. It's right that you felt that way, because somebody else was saying that they felt very weird being in the Catholic Church and he was bringing up this and I was like, oh wow, because when you look, take apart the word religion, we get R E L I, which is rely on, and then you get G I O N gin. Gin, if you're going by the Middle Eastern definition, j I N N is dark spirits, so religion is rely on dark spirits. Well, shit, that's nuts denominations demon I nations that's that's crazy.

Brandon Kroll: 30:55

That's why I'm not a denomination. Listen, people get mad at me. I'm like why would I want to?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 31:00

Well, shit, I'm with you.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 31:02

Like I said, I've kind of been through it all, I've dabbled through it all and I don't really feel like I fit in with any church and I definitely have a Jesus in my heart nowadays and that's what I feel matters the most.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 31:11

Because once you've have been down these topics for so long and like you put it this way in your post and stuff I've seen too, you can clearly see that the you know powers that be whatever you want to call them, the Illuminati, for lack of a better term right, have a deep spiritual belief of their own, whether it's got to do with human sacrifice and, you know, trafficking children and symbolism, and like they do think their gods when they come out these like Super Bowl shows or these giant concerts where that basically is like the new form of idol worship. And yes, yeah, it's just crazy man, that type of shit leads you to Christ if you're really, you know, open to it and you can kind of spot the deceptions and stuff. And yeah, that's definitely where it led me. Were you always Christian or did you always have the biblical perspective when you were first starting to get into this stuff?

Brandon Kroll: 31:59

Yeah, I came, I was adopted into a Christian home, but I didn't accept Christ until I was about 12 years old. I'm very intellectual, analytical sort of individual, so it was like I knew headwise a lot of stuff, but I didn't really click for me until I was about 12. And then where I got saved was next to the Connecticut River. It was three benches down.

Brandon Kroll: 32:21

I remember from the town of Enfield in Connecticut and I remember that I was big into pirates at the time, so the phrase that I used was ironic. It was like Lord, I want you to steer the helm of my ship. And the minute I said that phrase, like something just surged off my back. It literally felt like dimensional whatever you I don't know what you want to call it, but it was a thing where it was enough to make me literally jump. And I looked around my dad didn't even see me but I was like okay, that's something I've never felt before. But it literally felt like something was just released off my back. And prior to that I used to have a very bad temper that I think I inherited from my birth father and from there I can definitely say that I felt like I've been being watched, I've gotten into incidences and scenarios where I'm like there's no way I should have survived that, but somehow, by the grace of God, I did.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 33:17

Do you have any kind of ghost stories? Or maybe you saw like some kind of crazy triangle in the sky, anything like that that you can explain, that you could share?

Brandon Kroll: 33:28

Oh gosh, I can tell you one story that wasn't necessarily with a UFO encounter or whatnot, but I think it was actually demonic possession. And I was at my buddy's house. His name was Sam Sam's not if I sound like intellectual, him, he's like another dimension, like a couple of degrees off of Einstein, like he's up in his own head most of the time. But he liked hanging out with me because I'm like a goofball, so I kind of helped balance and bring him back down and we were in his room and we started hearing shrieking going on in the other room and he's renting from somebody. So we go around the corner and we're making tea and we look over to the couch and there's these five girls over there and three of them are the daughters of the person who owns the house that he's renting from and two of them are guests and one of them is just like constantly rocking, going up and down and shrieking like crazy.

Brandon Kroll: 34:22

And I was like okay, is that a liberal having a meltdown, like what the hell is going on over there? And I truly believe, because later on I kind of brushed it off, just thinking it was that. But later on I saw one of the girls at the community college and she was stating that that girl dabbled in Ouija boards before and that she was also a believer. So I was thinking we're two or more gathered. Maybe that was kind of a little bit of a demonic trigger for the girl, where it was causing her to kind of convulse in a sense or get kind of crazy. And I'm not going to lie, I think at first I was just not thinking about it but I was like, oh, I wonder if that was something that's interesting, that's interesting. So I don't know, but it's something spiritually sent me centered in my heart. I was like I think there was something more going on right there.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 35:10

I was going to ask how did you find out about the relation to Albert Pike?

Brandon Kroll: 35:15

Oh gosh. So I knew already that I'm related to Zebulun Montgomery Pike from Pikes Peak, colorado, where we get um that guy, and he was also amazing. So I did a little digging and I was like, okay, so these two are related. And I was like, okay, so if I'm related to Zebulun Pike that means I'm related to Albert Pike. And then I was doing a little bit of digging.

Brandon Kroll: 35:42

It's kind of tricky to find out where, because there was at one point like nine siblings. So in some some genealogy lines don't go all the way, but I know if they the Zebulun Pike and Albert have some sort of connection biologically, that I'm connected to that. With the Ben Franklin one I already had a chart that my aunt gave me and this one goes back almost like 10, 11 generations some of them and I found out I was related to is it Beth Sita, beth Siba, uh Fulgar, her father was Peter Fulgar and that was um Ben Franklin's uh grandfather and she was also my grandma. She was one of the accusers during the Salem Witch trial that threw a shoe at one of the accused, the defendant's, or whatever. Yeah, and then Franklin um was big, big Mason in Philadelphia.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 36:33

Oh yeah, I mean when it comes to pretty much American history altogether, it's filled with masonry and odd fellows and skull and bones and literally you just you can't get away from these cults and these fraternities and stuff kind of propping everybody up, whether it's celebrities, athletes, politicians, whatever actors, like it's.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 36:57

It's so unavoidable and so all encompassing and that's like. So I said I love that we're going to be talking with you and doing this topic because it's such like a common thing for people to share or post or try to point out. Like look like they're all in the same club, they're all doing the same symbol, they're all seen like hanging out with the same like witch lady, a marino Brahmavik. They're, all you know, propped up by the Rothschilds and like when you look into the masonry, you look into all this, like it kind of goes back to exactly what your work is saying, like they traced their lineage to these fallen beings or these demigod kings and these you know, fallen angels, demons, basically even the Rothschilds, and like the top percent people they look like they kind of have elongated skulls and shit themselves. Yes, and that's why they interbreed so hardcore to try and keep this. You know, extraterrestrial, alien, demon, king, blood.

Brandon Kroll: 37:50

Pure. I mean, that's, that's what again. I write this frequently in the descriptions and sometimes I'm kind of surprised when people are asking me questions in the comments. I'm like I did just like two posts to go. But Rothschilds claim in biographies to be descendants of Nibrod. They're the ones who designed the Israeli Supreme Court that happens to have a pyramid. They're all seeing eye on top and they are also the ones that gave us our IRS, which has, you know, our prints to control of our money. And that was through Jacob Roth, not Jacob Rothschild, jacob Schiff. He was the guy that came over and helped create that on Jekyll's Island. So when I'm telling people I'm like they definitely believe in a Messiah figure with if they're having that eye on top of the pyramid, because that either the eye on top of a pyramid or the star on top of a tree, or the wings on top of the caduceus staff those all represent the product of incest.

Brandon Kroll: 38:43

At the end of the day is to moves. You want to go into pentagram? Three and two, three and two. Three represents male because of the digit. Two represents female. Five is the number of man. So why are we putting a star on top of the tree? Well, that's the product of incest, the best man that ever was. And on top of a fir tree is alleged that Nimrod died at the base of a conifer tree. Conifer means pinecone. So when you see to moves the wing, deity or Ecuador, little thing with the pinecone what does that mean? Pinecone represents pineal gland ascending, coming anew. That's what that all represents. And so when you're looking as well to the little shoot that comes off a bathroom, a tad that goes all the way up, kind of looks like a little egg on top pineal gland, you're ascending and then you're coming like Isaiah 1414, that the serpent said I'll send it to become, or Lucifer I'll send to become like the God most high. So one yeah.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 39:41

That's crazy. Yeah, have you ever seen the what the Egyptians did to the human brain? They did like a cross section of the pineal gland and how it looks just like the eye of Horus, like obviously they modeled it after that Isn't that insane? Like how advanced were they?

Brandon Kroll: 39:58

Very. And when you're getting to the Bible story, why is the first trick that Moses chose, or God chose for Moses, was the staff turning into a snake that could do some staff.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 40:09

Oh yeah.

Brandon Kroll: 40:10

So I almost guarantee that's probably what their rods look like. So then they threw it down. They were probably a lot more advanced. What did that do? Probably actually really turn into a snake. What did God's snake do? Consumed them. So again when I'm trying to explain to people, because people are like, oh no, the druids are, christmas didn't start until Martin Luther and young like, okay, let's pull it back.

Brandon Kroll: 40:33

Find the pentagram. It traces back to Mesopotamia Six thousand years ago. They found it on pottery. So the first, which are a sigil of ash to Roth. Ash to raw means grove in Hebrew. So when they're saying tear down the groves, of bail and ash to Roth, that connects to tree worship. It's actually mentioned in Jeremiah one through five. It was talking about tree worship and be not like the pagans who look to the stars and wonderment early for advice. Ash to Roth, astrology, and when they're over here doing the snake staff stuff.

Brandon Kroll: 41:10

Eventually this serpent cult is not getting as popular into the Mediterranean area as they were hoping. So what happens to these magicians or sorcerers? They start migrating further north to the northern tribes and they became known as druids. Now you look up anything on Druids, they'll tell you it's tree worship is one of their biggest things regeneration. Going back to the Christmas tree, if you look up where we have most of our Christmas traditions, they'll step back to the druids of Germany and Ireland. Why do we have Hollywood named after a tree that was used by Druids? Right, but when St Patty was given the moniker driving the snakes out of Ireland, who is that referring to?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 41:55

the Druids.

Brandon Kroll: 41:56

Druids snake again, snake staff.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 41:58

Yeah, this is this is one of my favorite topics and what really led me, you know, kind of back to Jesus in the first place is because I've super Irish ancestry and like that was something I was always interested in. And, you know, studying the Druids and kind of like being a lark pagan coping like. No, the Druids were good, you know they were, they were cool. Meanwhile we knew they were literally doing some cannonite like activities and just a lot of human sacrifice, like they were. They referred to themselves as the serpents and, yeah, the tree worship thing.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 42:31

Some of the stuff that I've uncovered is, I feel like, very confident at this point that the Celtic races are a lost tribe of Israel and that they were just, you know, carrying on some of the old practices that got them kicked out and exiled in so many places. It just evolved into other stuff, kind of, like you said, as they spread out and like the whole word Druid, or the word Jew even to some people think, comes from the U tree, like that they were the people of the U tree, like they were worshiping the U tree and oh, that's cool.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 43:01

Yeah, and Iberia is, was the name of, like Spain and Ireland at the time, and the inhabitants of that place would have been referred to as Iberu or Ibre, which was Hebrews. And there's even an island off the coast of Scotland to called the Hebrides. And then you consider the Scottish right of Freemasonry and all the similarities of Druidry to some of these secret society cults and I was starting to piece that together. I'm like, oh fuck, dude, I can't, I can't go along with this type of stuff anymore. It's clearly got some malevolent ties. But something else I was even considering, because I've thought of it from many different angles, is like, obviously the Romans played a big part and you know, having the first born is killed to try and prevent Jesus from being born and eventually hijacking the church together and forming the Roman Catholic Empire and the Vatican and whatnot.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 43:49

I have a theory that if the you know the Celtic races that have been kind of suppressed and subjugated to a lot of genocide and whatever else over the time, that maybe the Romans because I don't know, maybe was it like 30, 40 years before Jesus was born was Julius Caesar's time. His main enemies was the Gauls and he basically Holocausted them Like he killed all the Celts within central Europe. What if he knew that they were a lost tribe? And he knew a Messiah was going to be born, just like many of the wise men and stuff prophesied. So he took out all the Druids so that they couldn't be born. You know, Jesus couldn't be born of that lost tribe and I've even thought and speculated that. Well, the Galatians of Turkey, they were Celtic people. What if the Galileans themselves were Celtic and Jesus was from Galilee? So, like I don't know, it seems like the Celts have been largely targeted by two of the most powerful empires of all time the Empire, the English Empire, and the Roman Empire. And yeah, I don't know leads to a lot of questions.

Brandon Kroll: 44:53

Well, I know a little bit. So when we're getting to the sea, people and whatnot, I was able to piece together just through looking up, for every time you see a Philistine depicted, they got the little red headdress going on and they were the basis for the Phoenician culture. The Phoenician culture were the ones that were getting kicked out by Joshua, and there's even an Ireland at one of the base of the clips where they said weird, we got kicked out of where we were by and they actually named Joshua's like name and his father, blah, blah, blah. So I think maybe there's a connection even with that, with the Celts. Maybe there was some sort of Phoenician ancestry connecting to them. As for the like last tribes and stuff like that, that's something I've always been wondering and more so I've been leaning towards.

Brandon Kroll: 45:37

I think a lot of people are emphasizing towards ethnicity or like you know, like oh, jesus was black, or you know the blacks are the real Jews or something I'm like I don't think it matters, because Galatians 328 was talking about there's neither Jew nor Greek, male or female, bond or free, for you're all one in Christ Jesus. And I think what a lot of people are missing is they don't understand what the Holy Spirit really is and I just did a recent thing with missing the point podcast explaining that and compare contrast alongside Freemasonry is that when we're talking about like Holy Spirit, we don't really understand the significance of the temple veil being ripped into is that there's no longer a God in the Holy of Holies, because he's now within you, and it states this throughout the New Testament is greater as he that is within you than he that is of the world. No, you, not your body, as a temple of the Lord. And then I think somewhere was at first Corinthians three is that whoever hurts one of God's people, blah, blah, blah you're hurting something of God's, and he will avenge or temple. And he even states this himself this isn't three days, I will tear down this temple. Well, he didn't talk about the physical building, he was talking about himself. So the fact that we can't find the Ark of the Covenant these days, I highly suspect, because if we did, we probably could touch it because it's now within us, the Holy Spirit, now we have access to that. And that's what I was trying to explain to people is you have to understand this is a son, not try, and because if you're going, try you. You're believing God incarnate died for three days.

Brandon Kroll: 47:15

That is very much a Nimrod to Moose religion, where he, he regenerated, he was reincarnated, he beat he on one side. He ascended to become the God of hell through Osiris or Cern, cernunas, where we get our internet from. They're the ones that created the internet. And then disease. X is Cyrus, pose X. That's where that's going to come from, going back towards Nimrod. But when you go the other way, it's either at a certain point triunes have to understand. When Steve in the martyr was dying, he says I look up to the throne of God and I see Christ Jesus, or I see God and Christ Jesus stand on the throne, sitting right, standing next to him, and it's like okay, that sounds like two distinct individuals.

Brandon Kroll: 47:57

Talks about two thrones when you get up to thrones, when you get up into heaven, and it's insignificant because when, at the baptism he says, behold, this is my beloved son and whom I'm well pleased, what does he send? A dove. Doves symbolize deliverance, as it did with Noah. Where. Where do we see Christ? A little bit later, an olive grove gets them any. Compare contrast with the Garden of Eden. Garden of Eden means paradise, gets so many, means oil press. Jonah's name meant deliverance as well. But what does he send? He sends a dove, a dove one to give us land at in the Noah's Ark. He sends a dove to give us new life. Why? Because he just broke a barrier from above and below. We now have access to a spiritual realm. He just delivered us. What also happened is when he died, he came back from the dead realm to deliver us. So when we get a newness of life for the Holy Spirit, this is what it's talking about, because when you look up the cup ceremony for an Hebrew tradition or Israeli tradition, dad would select a young man from the from town, make sure he had good standing, he could provide he'd arrange this marriage.

Brandon Kroll: 49:12

He called the young man over, says drink of this cup, have a little of this wine. If he did cool, he was accepting of the dad's terms, the dowry, whatever. Then they take the rest of that cup and hand it over to his daughter. Now it was here where she could honorably say I choose not to drink, I don't like my father's selection. It would have been an honorable thing. They say okay, we'll go back to the drawing board, we'll get somebody else to as a consort, but if she accepted, the young man would add on to his father's house.

Brandon Kroll: 49:42

So this is what it really means with communion is here is my blood, here is my body. And what did Christ say? I go to prepare a flip place for you up in my father's house. So by doing communion, you are choosing the father's son. We're now being adopted into a spiritual realm. Sounds a lot better that way than yeah, he died for his, he's got incarnate. No, he sent his son. So the fact that where he's dying on the cross, he says Father, really could you let this cup pass for me in the garden to get somebody?

Brandon Kroll: 50:14

He says this it's a big, big deal that we're missing and a lot of people they think they know what the Holy Spirit is. But when you get to Matthew 24 and 25, talking about sleeping bridesmaids, saying that 10 of them are there, five of them fall asleep and when they finally do wake up, they find out they don't have any oil. Look at this from a biblical perspective. What does Proverbs say If I word is a lamp unto my feet. So the word Bible is the lamp and it was written and inspired by the Holy Spirit, as I think it says in Colossians. It was inspired by Godly men were inspired to write with the Holy Spirit's blessing. So if the Bible or the word is, is the Holy Spirit, what is oil? Oil would be the Holy Spirit in dwelling you with discernment. So you know and you're prepared for when the bridegroom returns, if you don't have the Holy Spirit, you're going to fall asleep.

Brandon Kroll: 51:15

And what does he say? Depart from me. I never knew you. You thought you were of Christ. You said Lord, lord, did we not do things in your name? But you never really understood what the gift was. And that's the scary part is that most denominationalists are defending adjectives and doing stupid stuff like defending Zionism and not understanding what you're supposed to be as a Christian. Is that his kingdom is not of this world. It's not about patriotism, it's about representing me for the kingdom of heaven.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 51:41

Sorry, no, that's good. Anyways, do you believe in flat earth, do you? Are you a flat earther?

Brandon Kroll: 51:48

Yes, I'm a flat earther, but I believe in a dome more so kind of like a crystal ball in a sense. Yes, yep.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 51:55

Let's go. I've been telling Mike we need somebody with this perspective on, because most of our guests so far have laughed at the idea when we brought it up. And yeah, I kind of lean in that direction. I wouldn't say I am, I don't know either way. I just know that, yeah, the scriptures do tell us it's something like that and pretty much the people who give us all of our knowledge about space are not the occultists who have lied about almost everything else they've taught us. Right.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 52:19

So I can kind of find it hard to take their word for it.

Brandon Kroll: 52:22

Yep. Well, that's the thing is. If you look into the history of this, you're getting. It was a Jesuit that came up with the idea, and the pope was even crediting him, saying thank you for coming up with something that still makes creation work but also approves like of evolution and it's like no, it's very distinct that there are three realms above, middle and below. I think honestly that below used to have water as well, but after the flood, because the water came up, so it emptied it out. What did that? Open up? The option for hell to be created. Waters went up, fires are lit, so now it's literally middle ground. We're in no man's land, living on earth, and we get to choose between what realm we want to choose whether we want to choose the realm of man, which is Timus, hermes and Nimrod's son, religion, new world order, or we can choose the Holy Spirit. We can choose the father son and go up.

Brandon Kroll: 53:26

Those of you who did not want to accept this. Well, you know the fallen watchers that wanted to be like me, wanted to be like the most high. Okay, you know what you wanted followers, take them. They didn't want to choose me. Despite creation, despite the truth, they put ha ha emojis. They put clown faces. They didn't want to accept me. So guess what? There they go. That's, that's my take, but if you want to go into more specifics, you can have clowns.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 53:53

Are you familiar with Paul Stahub's or his work? His thing is the Nephilim look like clowns. Yes, yeah, we had him on the show. He's a great conversation and, honestly, your guys work overlaps a lot and I know that now he's and we discussed it a little bit with him he's kind of making his work more focused on the millennial reign and the millennial kingdom. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think that there will be, or was, a literal, you know, thousand year reign of Jesus on earth as the king? Do you think that that could have possibly already happened? Do you think that maybe the yeah, that it happened the rapture and all that, and we are in the little season that the devil is unbound and they're kind of making it look like the signs of revelation are happening, so that we don't look back and think, oh wow, you know, maybe Jesus already did come back.

Brandon Kroll: 54:40

No, I truly think that we're still in the pre return of Christ and the reason I say that is because the doppelganger aspect is so strong. Like, especially with Trump. Like with the word MAGA high priest of the sun in Sanskrit, highest priest position on the church of Satan website it's in most Latin based countries it means mage, illusionist wizard. When you look at January 6, that was the day that trees Christmas trees were taken down. It's also the epiphany of St John the Baptist, where literally, he baptized Christ. On that day it is the day that he was allegedly visited by the Magi. Again, root word for Magi is MAGA. So I'm seeing that when you were looking at the Paula White video I just posted recently of the the Trump campaign sheet. There's a phrase in there saying that he knows how to change the sands beneath the, the waters or something like that, and turn them into gold. I said that's a very alchemy affiliated term, the fact that Israel loves him so much that they have a pop song calling him Jerusalem's prince and to the sky he will reach. I find that very suspicious that Trump has called himself like that. Like you know, I'm the chosen one he has had. The Jews should love me because I'm practically Jesus. He's posted a photo where on his Instagram, where he's sitting next to Christ and Christ is sitting next to him, like in a shadowy ghost aspect, and you know I'm being indicted. For you, it's kind of like the Azazel goat that the ancient Israelites used to have, where they would put the sins of the people on the goat and then send it off until the wilderness to be, you know, taken by Azel, which is affiliated with goats, baffle-met tamuz, as I tell people, tamuz saw himself as Azazel incarnate. So the fact that all this stuff is going on and there is a idea and ideology of pulling men's attention to look at the world as materialistic that you know, our money, our country, this is what's more important is that we're, in essence, losing our focus, that well, what about God? Well, it's like you don't need to really worry about him, because we're more concerned about what's going on right down here in our country and our laws, our people are, you know. So we're losing a focus on the kingdom of heaven. Secondly, not sure if you saw the other post, because Instagram was censoring the hell out of it I merely went into AI, which we already know it's demonically possessed, and I typed in election 2024 results and most of the photos that popped up were Trump or it looked like a figurine of Trump.

Brandon Kroll: 57:25

Newspaper articles. One of the articles pops up one phrase that was very distinct and clear to read end of time. So I was like, okay, very interesting, let's type in one more word. I typed in vice president and then in the last photo that they gave me were four white horses over the White House and the fifth horse in the middle kind of had like a dragon's face, and it shows Trump riding towards the White House and it had over it 2014.

Brandon Kroll: 57:51

2014 is affiliated with 9-11, so that has an ascension aspect of coming to reign with Corona. It was signed by Adonis Triumph. If you look up Triumph or Trump, it stems from the Greek word used in parades to the god, dionysus, aka Nimrod, the masked god of theater. The fact that they have another disease planned, x, very interesting. But another thing is that if you added one and four together, you get five, which is the number of man for pentagram, like I just explained. Two and three also, 2025 was when he'd be sworn in.

Brandon Kroll: 58:31

Now the Aseans, who predicted Christ's birth, hence the Magi. They predicted it and being in the year whatever, and they said that likely his return would be within 2000 years. Somehow they did another thing where they predict that. So if you're going by 2025 to 2032, that would be exactly seven years. They want their new world order up and running by 2030. Currently all the billionaires, multimillionaires, are building bunkers, so they obviously know something bad is coming and they're trying to prep for it. It's because the new age is about to dawn for their perspective. But if Christ's return was in 2032 again between 25 and 32 Trump would be sworn in in 25. So I'm just saying, because he has the name equivalent of Nimrod's son, that the four horses again are that somehow AI predicts going to be over the White House. I'm just I'm seeing a trajectory where that could possibly be something that comes into play.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 59:33

Man are we that's all right. It's a lot, it's. It's great stuff, though are we? Are we on the track that Donald? Trump might be the anti Christ.

Brandon Kroll: 59:46

Well, my money yeah.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 59:48

That's gonna sell out of people.

Brandon Kroll: 59:50

Well, I hate to say it when you're, when you watch the podcast I just did with a cosmic peach and Heidi Love. It's gonna be releasing soon. I connect Kazaria and Q and Epstein all together and how it's gonna tie into Noah Hyde laws.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:04

Well, every president has basically signed something to do with that, haven't they? And one of those?

Brandon Kroll: 1:00:09

is his real national news. Trump's the champion of Noah Hyde laws.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:00:13

Parts will by death to preach Jesus.

Brandon Kroll: 1:00:15

Yeah, and I think it's going to tie in to where they're going to attempt to assassinate Trump again. I think the Bible mentions something where they're going to do an attempt on the assa or assa you know, I can see him where he comes back within three days and a speech comes out.

Speaker 3: 1:00:28

They knew that this time I was gonna come back and drain the swamp and fix all of the bar and they've tried to take me out and they failed. But little did they know through the last several years I've had been putting people into my positions of power to fix all the issues that we've been having going on.

Brandon Kroll: 1:00:47

Hence you get the white hats, q and on being fulfilled, and then he's gonna stay, like anybody that's basically going against. This is obviously supporting pedophilia or all this other stuff, and they're going to switch the narrative where that's gonna be against Christians going. Wait a minute, there's something the way there's a red flag here. Hold on, hold on like no, no, no, you're either with us or you're against us. Well, uh, and then you get Noah Hyde laws Sounds crazy, but he's already talked about weaponizing the political system, as they've already been doing against him.

Brandon Kroll: 1:01:14

He's already been tabling into the bitcoin digital currency world and if you look up the root word for digi, I believe that was short or to way and you look up, tal in Hebrew means rain or dew. Coincidentally, that would equal short rain currency short. It was going to be a short time. Where it's a monetary system, hermes is thought to be the originator of coinage. So, mark at the beast, can I take teaming up with, uh, mr Elon Musk? Babylon Musk, I could see it. I could very much see it, because who became popular with concertos once Trump was taken off? Elon Musk.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:01:53

It's uh, it's spooky how all this is lining up.

Brandon Kroll: 1:01:56

I'm. I could be wrong, but I just told a guy yesterday because he's more denominationally focused and he's like oh no, he's just a red herring, he's just a dumb guy, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like everybody drops dead from the radio. Edit, trump gonna be probably the most popular guy in the world, I think so we're gonna have to get a little Mario sound over the radio. Edit yeah, that's all good.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:02:16

No, it's all good, I I'm still tripping about the Babylon Musk.

Brandon Kroll: 1:02:21

Babylon must be looked up. Musk, it's a. It's a Talmudic fragrance. I tried to refine it couldn't find the article. I was like. You guys know that I'm catching on to you guys. Elon is a Hebrew word as well. I think it means uh, does it mean strength or something? I don't know. It's been a while.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:35

So so Donald and Gaelic means ruler of the world too.

Brandon Kroll: 1:02:39

World ruler up, yep. And then Trump means to deceive, but if again, if you go to even further, back stems to Dionysus with triumph.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:02:47

The ruler of the world who deceives. I think that does sound, uh sound kind of anti-Christ.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:02:53

You guys know that, uh, the first person that was allowed to handle Tesla's papers and and journals was Trump's uncle, right, trump's great uncle, like that's for real. That's right. Yeah, you could look that up. That's for real.

Brandon Kroll: 1:03:07

Trump is this moon child that Jack Parsons and um L L Ron Hubbard, who's with the church of Scientology, stated they wanted to create the anti-Christ. Jack Parsons was always praying to the goat, god Pan, which happens to be equivalent of Baphomet, and or to Moose. He was getting mad at something wasn't going right. Trump happened to be created right on the heels of war world too. Again, what is war? It's essentially a blood sacrifice ritual. So you have all this blood, all these bodies, and you now have a kid, the moon child that Alistair Crowley was very big into her medicism and Fauth kind of dreamed up. It was his dream child, like in 1917.

Brandon Kroll: 1:03:49

Trump's born in 1946 in the month of June. June 14th happens to be flag day. If you look up why flags are not supposed to touch the ground, that connects to. I was a druetic or somebody. Um, they used to collect fingernails and whatnot and you couldn't let these things touch the ground because they were very precious and it became known as fetish. That's where that originally stems from. I was just reading a symbology book the other day. So he's born on flag day, again, 14. 1 and 4 equals 5, the number of man. Also, if the month of June is the month of to Moose, if you add the 13 calendar cycles that we used to have. That's right when he's born. The first rocket we sent up into space was known as Apollo again, apollo Sun God. The second one was known as Artemis. Artemis was the twin sister to Apollo. Artemis is also the goddess of sudden death. Insert Fauci flu Pollution.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:04:49

I remember when the radio edit thing was coming out and people were posting about Lucifer race being an ingredient like Lucifer race, and then that there was a patent, something to do with radio edit from like Microsoft or something, patent number 0606 06. So do we think, kind of like tying back to that AI thing, that maybe that is a way of trying to prepare hosts for the, the Nephilim bodies or the, you know, the offspring of 100%?

Brandon Kroll: 1:05:20

100%. I'm actually in prepping a podcast for this with Janet what, what's her face? I don't know her name, but I think it was holistic something. She pitches the whole thing where the original DNA basically spells out Yahweh, and if you didn't know, every time you breathe, like when it says you know, every, every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is Lord the day of judgment. Every time you breathe, you already are doing that, because it's alleged in Hebrew tradition that when God breathed into him, the first phrase that Adam said was Yahweh. Every time you breathe, you're saying every single time you take a breath. She was basically saying so.

Brandon Kroll: 1:05:57

Your watermark is essentially the DNA, is in your DNA. But when you get this radio edit, you basically are getting something that has star material based in it that changes your DNA into 666. So again, angels were known as star walkers. You're injecting something into your DNA that's now going to change it into the number of 666. I'm going to take a hunch that the Sumerian gods, they used to control humanity. I'm just thinking that they're kind of prepping with putting angelic DNA into us because they can't exactly procreate in the physical sense right now. They're trying to do it via this injection which, if you watch the stupea Peter's thing. He had a lady that was on and it was showing that those little black things sometimes are moving within people. So I very much think that the chip is going to be basically connected to the 5G and whatnot, because we have with generations. We had originally Gen Z. What is Z zombie? Right now we're in Gen Alpha. I'm going to take a hunch and assume that the last generation will be Gen Omega. You shall be like gods.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:09

What you translate herma's name is roughly means is his highness, the divine hero or whatever, of eternal youth roughly what his name translates into man, there's so much that's been covered already and there's so much more that we could really get into to uh kind of gonna be wrapping it up.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:07:29

But something I did want to get your opinion on before we do wrap it up is I remember seeing a video from uh Trace Smith. I don't know if you're familiar with him and his channel. His thing is God in a nutshell, but he he has a lot of good stuff too, but I know he's a he's a big trump guy, which makes me skeptical, and one of his things was something to do with trump and uh isaia 45 and isaia 47, and there's people putting this, this coin, out with with trump and uh king Cyrus on it and uh, yes, I don't know. So you have much more biblical knowledge than mic or I, so if you connected or put anything together with the 45 and 47 thing, yeah, at four and five together nine at four and seven together, oh my god, nine eleven hey, you did it.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:08:20

I just gave you the math and we know that the, the temple was destroyed twice, supposedly on the ninth of av right, the, the jewish calendar equivalent of nine, eleven, even still.

Brandon Kroll: 1:08:31

Add um, add nine eleven together twenty twenty, twenty. Add those two together, you get 40. Tomos died at the age of 40 in a wild boar hunt. Every time, catholics are putting the little tea on their head for ash wednesday and they're having pork for 40 days. Yeah, you're celebrating tomos oh man rise christ, always depicted as dead on a cross, and catholicism sounds like a joke yes, he's dead, but what again?

Brandon Kroll: 1:09:02

when you look at, like the chronicles of narnia, he says don't recite the dark magic to me, which I was there when it was written, and it's like, oh so when that altar breaks in two in the movie, what is that symbolizing? Is that that has no power over him? So the same thing, the tea or the cross, stems from babelon, persian region, by christ coming back from the most horrid symbol of death that was probably commemorated into muses memory. And he conquers that. Wow. And yet what does catholicism do? It remembers him being dead, which is the doppelganger aspect dude, you've dropped some mind-blowing stuff in this sorry.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:09:40

No, it's awesome this is why we, this is why I wanted to have you on man and uh I mean, if you want to have me back on I, I could go for days, dude absolutely I can tell. And uh, it's been great man mike, anything, uh, anything to add?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:09:52

shit, dude, we covered a lot. This was fun. Definitely have you back on, man, if you would. Uh, if you'd like to come back on, because, absolutely, I feel like we say this with almost every guest, but you know, there's so much more that we could get into.

Brandon Kroll: 1:10:05

Thank you so much, dude thank you for having me on.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:10:07

Thanks for listening so anyone who is listening? Brandon kroll underscore krollology with two ls. Underscore 101 epic instagram channel. You got anything else? Uh, you would like to plug or?

Brandon Kroll: 1:10:21

uh, yeah, if you just want to find me, I'm trying to branch out with uploading more on on different things, but I have issue odyssey, but mainly rumble. Um man, a daily podcast, all one word. Um, I'm gonna try to do like swap cast. I mean, if you guys could send this to me I'd appreciate it. But yeah, that's uh first where you can find me and find other places where I've delved into this with more visuals, as opposed to what I just described here verbally so we're gonna be having video in the pretty near future too, so when we have you back on a visual presentation with it would be epic yeah, absolutely, man totally game yo dude, my head's still spinning.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:10:56

So yeah, we covered a lot in that. Huh, or he covered a lot, I should say fucking epic.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:11:03

That was nutty yeah, that was cool, though, like okay. So here's my feelings on a lot of it. I like a lot of what he was saying and I can get behind a lot he was saying. He obviously has, you know, been researching these topics for quite a long time and he knows what he's talking about. That being said, I think a lot of it is just today's uh, january 29th 2024. If you add one and you add two and then you take three and then you add that to nine, what do you get? You get 43. That's how old I am. It's like so you know a lot of.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:11:39

It is like if you look into anything, you could find coincidences or similarities with anything, if you look too hard. I think a lot of it is that, but I think a lot of what he's saying doesn't make a lot of sense too. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:11:54

I'm fucking blown away by the numerology every time I'm a math tard. So there's that, even the simple math. He was asking me like, oh god, don't put me on the spot with this, I'm gonna fuck up some simple addition, not terrible math too.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:09

I mean, I think the numerology backs up even more, because I know how much the occultists love their numbers and like, especially like the bible is heavily encoded with numbers, and like some of that shitty new rate off the top is head to you, like when I brought up the you know the bible verses of 45 and 47, which trump would be the 45th and 47th president, and like those verses are significant to that, and then he puts it to 9-11 and man, that shit is nutty bro.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:12:33

Yeah, but what connection does Trump have to 9-11?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:12:36

Well, 9-11 was just a whole ritual about, you know, the rebirth of the temple or whatever, like the falling of the old world and the bringing of the new world, aka the new world order. And if, if Trump's really the anti-Christ, he would have everything to do with the new world order.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:12:53

Yes, yeah, I don't know. That's where you'll lose me. How come, razor? The most likely explanation is usually the right one. And to get to a lot of those conclusions I have to believe a lot of crazy things and to me it's just not likely. But, like I said, a lot of what he said, I do think there's a lot of truth and a lot of good shit to a lot of what he said. He's too smart for his own good, I'm saying in some areas Crazy intellectual he's so fucking smart.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:13:23

Like you said, he just knew things off the top of his head. I'd love to have him back, though, because this is one of my favorite ones that we did so far.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:32

Oh yeah, that was deep, that was fucking deep and him ripping on Catholic, catholic and stuff was pretty epic.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:13:40

I love how we went after Carson.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:43

Yeah, he told me when I was first talking to him he's like that guy's like my nemesis.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:13:47

Yeah, he didn't have anything good to say about him.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:13:49

I mean, I kind of tend to agree, though anyone who's being propped up in the conspiracy world like this ain't a profitable fucking venture. Like even Sam Sam is like the highest up one, but dude's not fucking rich and famous and whatever. He's still touring comedian. Like yeah, he does well for himself, he's doing all these podcasts. But like if he was a shill he would be a lot fucking richer and like his shit would be all over the place. Do you think Rob is a shill?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:14:11

Billy Carson is like a billionaire?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:14:13

No, but I think he is probably, you know, told to stay within his line at this point, like he's just kind of like a fence sitter. He's not going to really try to sway people against the people who are fucking paying him. I don't think he's necessarily a Illuminati plant, but I also don't think he's going to be allowed to put out anything that goes against their wishes, because he's so propped up at this point. Do you think?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:14:41

Alex Jones is controlled opposition.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:14:44

He's given just enough truth, like he's right about a lot of shit, but he's also leading you back to trusting in Trump and trusting in you know government and elections and stuff where you know. I don't really think it counts or matters that he's like he's giving you just enough truth with a little bit of lies. Otherwise, I don't know, they probably would have killed his ass a long time ago and I, as a fucking character, I love him. He's hilarious. He's. His delivery is the shit that he says. He's funny as hell. Like I don't know, maybe he is legitimate and maybe he is being used as a fucking controlled op. He's being intentionally fed things and he is a character.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:15:22

He is a character.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:23

Absolutely.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:15:24

Yet, you know, I don't believe that we live on a flat earth, but I'm totally, you know, I'm not closed minded, I don't. I'm not going to sit here and say that I can't be changed because I don't, you know, I'm not married to any one idea that I have. So, that being said, I don't believe we live on a flat earth, but I'm totally down to have one of the flat earth experts come on and, and, you know, do their spiel, because, dude, I, I, I watch flat earth debates all the time. I listen to him when I'm at work. I love the fucking topic.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:15:57

It's just I don't say, you know, I love it, I just I don't have to be a flat earth or to love the topic you know, yeah, I listen to a lot of videos that I don't necessarily, you know, agree with or believe, and just get the different perspectives and see what you could take out of it. But did you ever have a Hibbler on the reality roundhouse show back in the day?

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:16:18

No, who's Hibbler?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:19

Hibbler is like one of the main flat earth guys.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:16:21

No, I don't think I had any flat earth guy really, because it wasn't in 2016. It wasn't a massive thing, it was really just Eric Dubey. Right, you had him though right, no, fuck. No, I never had Dubey.

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:16:34

Damn Well, him or Hibbler or the dream guest to Eddie Bravo would be great.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:16:40

Oh yeah. Well, we got some in the works and you know we continue to reach out to people. The more we grow this, the bigger we get, the more five star reviews we get, the more followers we get on all the social media platforms. Two truth seekers I am Sal Buck, mike, you are headhunter Higgins. We are two truth seekers trying to expose the keepers. We do deep dives with chill vibes. Love it Well, shit, dude. Anything else?

Tom "The Headhunter" Higgins: 1:17:05

All right, well it was always good dude Right on bro.

"Sawbuck" Mike Straus: 1:17:08

That was wild. Yeah, we'll definitely have him back on, but until we meet again, stay away from child molesters.