#11 | Matt Slap | Symbolism, Sorcery, and Societal Norms | "The Why is Where The Power Lies"

On this session we sit down with Matt Slap, the visionary behind Slapass Creations, whose art is as enigmatic as it is thought-provoking. In a world where symbolism intertwines with the supernatural, Matt guides us through the labyrinth of his creations, from bewitching clothing designs to mind-bending art pieces. The discussion orbits around Saturn's enigmatic symbolism, the subliminal influences of horror and heavy metal transcendent energy of skateboarding, painting a vivid picture of how these elements mold our understanding of reality.

Venture with us into a conversation that addresses the slow erosion of freedoms and the significance of personal responsibility in our society. We tackle the contentious topic of addiction, shedding light on the power of language, societal enchantments, and the might of internet and AI in shaping collective consciousness. The clandestine use of magic by the elite reveals a hidden layer of our world, one that warrants a critical eye and an open mind. Moreover, we touch upon the transformative effects of art and the undying human thirst for knowledge that is free from the tethers of mainstream media and organized religion.

Our journey doesn't end there; we speculate on the potential future scenarios orchestrated by the global elite, from the threat of chaos to the dance of dark sorcery in the shadows of technology. Addressing the subtleties of technological symbols and the manipulation of societal norms, the dialogue leads us down a path of questioning and contemplation. Listen in as we explore the complex tapestry of esoteric energies, technological influence, and the conscious choice to discern truth in an often manipulative world, with the compelling insights of Matt Slap guiding our explorative expedition.

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Transcript

Mike Straus: 0:00

Anticon. So here we are.

Tom Higgins: 0:21

We got a good episode today from a guy I've chatted with in person, matt Slaps. Matt-o-mat some art shows, and I wish we could have recorded the conversations that we had in person, but that's why we got him on the show and I think that the listeners will enjoy this as well. This was probably one of my favorite episodes.

Mike Straus: 0:42

Yeah, he's an artist. He's an amazing artist. You guys should definitely check out his Instagram, matt Slap. Just search Matt Slap. I mean some crazy cool trippy conspiracy. I mean, how would you describe his art dude? I would say like psychedelic conspiracy.

Tom Higgins: 1:00

Yeah, occulted symbolic clothing line in art. And, like he said, he wants his art to kind of wake people up, and now we gave him the ability to do that with his words.

Mike Straus: 1:12

Yeah, this one was fun. I liked it because you guys are super knowledgeable in this lane. Not that it doesn't interest me, it absolutely does. I just have spent my time, you know, looking at other areas, so I was enjoying the ride, man, and a lot of things he said clicked with me, obviously, as you mentioned too during the podcast. Yeah, this was fun, bro. Enjoy the episode.

Tom Higgins: 1:32

We have a guest who I've had some interesting conversations in person with, Matt Sheck. He's a creator. He owns the brand and company Slapass Creations. He's an artist. I met him at an art show and we had some conversations that definitely opened my eyes to some things and caused me to go down some extreme deep dive routes, so this is an episode I'm looking forward to. How are you doing today, bro?

Mat Slap: 2:00

Doing great man.

Tom Higgins: 2:01

How are you guys doing?

Mike Straus: 2:02

Pretty good.

Tom Higgins: 2:03

Excellent, this is going to be quite the deep dive, so check me. We're going to start off where you kind of specialize the occult magic, secret societies, symbolism.

Mike Straus: 2:17

Hold on, hold on. I want to know who Matt is.

Mat Slap: 2:20

Well, I'm an artist and I've always, you know, like making people react. You know, just, I've always liked making people go inwards, I've always liked making people think. You know, that's been like a big motto of my company is making people wonder since 2005. So I've always tried to, you know, just cause a reaction, you know, change people's atmospheres. But yeah, I just love creating. I do all sorts of kind of art. I do, you name it, like acrylic, colored pencil, sculpt, digital, anything that I can create with my hands from the ideas of my head, you know.

Mike Straus: 3:11

Good shit, I didn't mean to cut you off, Tom, I'm sorry. I just people are listening. They might not know who Matt Slap is. I know I didn't know who Matt Slap is. Now I do. I have a better understanding of who we're talking to, right brother?

Tom Higgins: 3:22

I was going to say I have a shirt that I bought from you at one of your shows and it was the vaccine one with the reptilian and I've worn that. I've got some hilarious, hilarious there, so secondhand influence in people's consciousness with that shirt.

Mat Slap: 3:40

Yeah, that 2020, you know, had a funny way of waking people up, you know, and I had a good year before, like 2019 is when I started to open my eyes to a lot of things. A lot of things changed within myself and then I just started going deep, diving into all sorts of things that, like, I already knew, I knew about them and I never, like, anytime anything conspiracy came up, I never shut it down, like a lot of people are like, oh, that's just a conspiracy. I'm like, hey, it can happen, why not? You know, I just was always open to the supernatural stuff. I was always open to, I was always drawn to horror movies.

Mat Slap: 4:29

Heavy metal, skateboarding and all those things had a way of delving into the supernatural realm and I always I always love monsters. I've always loved all that kind of stuff because I just think it's a good way of opening people's eyes. Alec Warakley can teach people a lot about themselves and other people and I always love horror movies because it was like one of those things like my favorite horror movies are like the classics that were, you know, the unexplained forces that just kept coming evil that just kept coming and no one knew why and they couldn't explain it. And then there was always that like one, the one person, that one friend that always seemed to know what the heck was going on with shit, and everybody thought that he was crazy. But then he was the one that, like, came in and saved the day and was just like I told you.

Tom Higgins: 5:26

You're definitely talking to the two guys who share the same interests, that's for sure. The skateboarding or movies, the metal, that's definitely me and Mike's cup of tea. And I was going to say, like you said, it was things that you kind of already knew about but you didn't truly deep dive it. I feel like recently and same here, like I've consumed like literally anything and everything conspiracy related over the years. But I remember the first time we talked and something that always comes up is you find out that these cults and like the global elite and stuff, they're obsessed with Saturn and symbolism of Saturn, and I didn't really have a deep understanding of that and we had a conversation and you were kind of elaborating on it. So I think that would be a good place to start. What is it with the global elite and Saturn or what was? How would you sum it up? To people who aren't familiar with that concept that even sounds crazy to say itself.

Mat Slap: 6:22

You know Saturn is the. You know the Lord of the Rings, you know it is the. There's so many different avenues you can go down with and everybody has their own take with. With Saturn, it's the planet that rules. You know it's the judgment. It's the planet that how would you say it it's.

Mat Slap: 6:47

You know, if you don't deal with your shit, you know it's going to judge you and you know, from what I've come to understand, that these things are all just. You know they have an effect on our consciousness, the planets and where they were when you were born. And you know, you get, start getting into astrology and stuff, and these elites are super obsessed with Saturn. Satan, you know, and it's simply the opposer, right, it's the, that state of consciousness within yourself. You know that the Hebrews would like to call Chetan. You know, and it simply means the opposer.

Mat Slap: 7:29

It's when you start going against the truth and you're causing that friction within yourself between your thoughts, emotions and actions, and when you are doing dark shit and when you're doing that stuff, you're going against the truth. That's that which is likened to God. Any time you go against the truth is what leads to suffering. So you know, there's, there's so many, there's so many things when it comes down to conspiracies with Saturn, and I wouldn't say I'm an expert with it. All I know is that they, that they all worship it. You know they all have that because it's a giant planet that that rules us, you know.

Tom Higgins: 8:11

Right, I was going to say it's clear that the people in control are inversionists, so they love to go against the natural order of things. So it makes sense that that would be, you know, like the talisman or whatever you want to call it, the body that they choose to identify with, and like the black cube, symbolism. And the planet Saturn itself has that hexagon, a perfectly shaped hexagon, on its north pole. I don't know if you knew that, Mike or some of the listeners knew that there's a perfectly shaped black hexagon. They say it's a storm on the north pole of Saturn.

Mike Straus: 8:48

Yeah, I do.

Tom Higgins: 8:49

Like a 3D cube and that's like it's related to the, the hexagram star, like what you would call the star of David or the star of Remfan, and you see that symbol all over like Freemasonry and even like our dollar bill and just all types of stuff. So the black cube, the six pointed star, the eye some people think like Sauron from Lord of the Rings, again like Mads at Lord of the Rings, that Saturn is basically just like a big cosmic eye, like watching us.

Mat Slap: 9:19

Yeah, and what they, what they do too, is with that. You know it's, if you look at the star of David or the blazing star is what they would call, that it looks it is Saturn. If you look at it, it is like the hexagram is in the middle and around it. You got all the points which makes a. What makes Saturn. If you, if you look at it, and that hexagram makes a cube right, and the way that these global elites, these, these satanists, these dark, these dark Luciferians, you name it, they're pissed at God because they can't do whatever they want here.

Mat Slap: 9:59

So they, they look at this place as a big imprisonment of matter.

Mat Slap: 10:04

Like you're, you're imprisoned into this, this matter, and you can't do whatever you want because natural law governs it.

Mat Slap: 10:11

So it's like you got the seven principles of natural law and what governs our soul here and that's the most occulted stuff, that's the most occulted thing is what, what binds our soul, what governs our soul here, you know, and these people, they think that they can get away with doing whatever, or I don't say they can get away with doing with whatever they want, but since they can't do whatever they want, they're going to, they look at this place as a prison and they're going to rule over it like a gang in a prison. So they've been. They know how to bend natural law and they got all the police, the military, all all this stuff that we're policing ourselves. And you got all these people whispering just in their ear like, hey, go do this, and that gets them out of their karmic brunt, because other people are actually carrying out the orders in which they are saying you know, because they're, they're bribing them, they're doing it, and it's all about power and it's all about control at the end of the day, because they're the ones that made up money.

Tom Higgins: 11:20

Oh yeah, and it really is such an all encompassing like, like people typically will describe the conspiracy world or Illuminati they're like a better term as like a pyramid, but the very top is like the few who know and they influence everyone from the top down and the inferiors don't even really know, like what they're doing. They're just carrying out the orders of the higher ups. And the prison thing that you said. That's a really good analogy because, yeah, they, they are trying to rebel against God in their own way by doing the most important things possible. Like we know about the human sacrifice from way back, when it never really stopped like there's plenty of conspiracies leading to that, child sacrifice, stuff like that.

Tom Higgins: 12:06

I don't know if people know that Saturn, the Roman God, literally like as he was worshiped in Rome, was his story he ate his own children so that they couldn't take his throne and he was the God of, like, time and discipline and just yeah, you know, like keeping everything under control and you know I don't know if you can see that and it gets, it gets dark, but when you really look at the bigger picture, you can tell that there is a very evil cult. I wouldn't even say behind the scenes because the symbolism and everything. You don't have to do a ton of homework. I know all of us here have been, you know, researching this type of thing for a long time but doesn't take a lot to realize something very sinister is kind of pulling the strings.

Mat Slap: 12:46

I mean that's absolutely sure, you know that's for sure. I mean, once you wake up to it, you start learning, and just learning their symbolism. You know, because our subconscious mind, it speaks in symbols, it doesn't speak in language, it doesn't know anything, and it's what we believe, right, that we manifest in this world. I mean, just look at our culture, like everybody is divided. It's like a big schism in the brain, right, and it's a big schism in the world. These people want to keep people divided from within themselves, within their family, within society. And if you can do that and you can make people believe the lie, they're just going to keep on suffering and suffering until they come to find the truth from their suffering. You know what I mean, and it's all comes down to morality. You know, being a good person, you know all these secret societies and all that stuff. It all comes down to magic. At the end of the day, we're all magicians, right? We all create this reality, individually and collectively. And the reason that we're in the mess that we're in is because we're letting it happen, we're consenting to it and nobody knows any different, because, you know, they can just, they're incrementalists. These, these people, though, they just they just do it over time. But we're witnessing them to speed this shit up like crazy within the last three years. It's just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Mat Slap: 14:24

People are like shit's happening, societies being demoralized. I mean, just look at all this we got. We got during the lockdown. You got all these chicks doing only fans. You got all these people. I want to be a boy when I'm a girl and I want to be a girl when I'm a boy. You know they're going against these fundamental laws of nature. And when you look at all these people and they're and there's so much suffering going on and people are like Well, I just got, I just got depression and I've got anxiety and I got all of this. And they just want to do. They take drugs, they take all this other stuff because it runs in my family, it's genetic. Well, you got to break that curse.

Mat Slap: 15:10

And we're coming into a time where people are going to start owning their shit and sifting through all that generational trauma and just start owning their stuff, healing themselves, their family, all this kind of stuff like it's been talked about.

Mat Slap: 15:29

And we're getting a ton of stuff just from like the 19, like 1920s and and earlier, where they talk about this aquarium age that we just are now in and we're witnessing people lose their fucking minds because and this chick was talking about in her book magician Dion fortune she was talking about you know there's going to come a time when we get into this aquarium age where people are going to check themselves in mental facilities because they're losing their shit, because they're going against that which is, you know, the return of the Knights of the Round Table, the return of Christ, the return of, you know, states. These are all just like states of consciousness within all of us that, like, pretty much, we all just need to become more people and start doing the right thing and fuck around and find out. You know, it's like you got people that want to control every everybody and people are just letting it happen, and so we're trying to get a little bit of aggregate where we're all consenting to.

Mike Straus: 16:40

I took a couple notes because, first off, man, you said incrementally and I think that's that's crazy, because I always try to, I always try to tell people too, it's that's what they do they don't, they don't go after your freedoms, they don't go after everything all at once. What they do is they nudge you off the center ever so slightly for, like you said, for a long period of time, until before you know it, you're so fucking far off center. You're like, how did we get here? And then we're trying, like we fucking told you you want we were crazy, but are we crazy now? And then, the other thing that you said was about how people should own their shit, and I'm a firm believer. I don't believe addiction is a disease. I believe you got to own it. Like what exactly what you said, man? I you know it's like, okay, maybe I was born into a bad situation and this happened and that happened. Whatever the fuck, dude, it's got to stop somewhere might as well be me now, right, you said a lot of good shit there, dude.

Mike Straus: 17:41

I don't have much to add in the way of like the occult, and you guys are so far beyond me with, I mean, dude, I love it all. You know me, I go hard and into painting a lot of different areas, and this is something that I'm super fucking fascinated by, but I definitely bow to you guys when it comes to this and knowledge, so I'm learning a fucking lot today.

Mat Slap: 18:03

This is cool and I'll tell you too, I took, I took some notes from your guys's podcast and I really like that you brought that about, brought that up about addiction, because I've grown up I've been around drugs my whole life. My whole life I've had friends. I've always been putting these situations where I'm able to hang out with my friends that are heroin addicts, people that are doing crack and all this stuff, and I'm like you know, and it always comes down to where I'm like, hey, guys, I can only help you so much, and there's gonna come a time where I can't help you at all, you know, because no one's gonna be able to pull you out of this but yourself, because it's until you get out of that victimhood and that frame of mind you're never gonna heal and you're never gonna be well. And so when you said that you don't believe addiction is a disease, I'm I 100% believe you, because there comes a lot of like spiritual bypassing with that kind of shit and I hate, I can't stand AA when they tell you you've got a disease and you're, you're always gonna have a disease. I'm like, well, that is a program that you're gonna be telling yourself for the rest of your fucking life and you're never gonna become well because you're not changing your, your stream of thought and that way you're never gonna break the curse, you're never gonna break the cycle and it's all and it's all this in the box that you keep yourself in. You know, and it comes back to that cube.

Mat Slap: 19:33

You know, and people have been under such an enchantment and such a big spell. We witness the biggest spell cast in 2020 over the whole world and it blew my mind. I couldn't believe it was happening. I'm like I'm sitting around when they made this announcement that we're we're having a lockdown and this is a pandemic and all this stuff. And I remember sitting in, I was at work and I watched everybody at my work freak the fuck out like the front lady, the, the lady in front. She's making a new message we're closed from the indefinite future for the foreseeable future. And I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa. You guys, this is magic. What they're doing is they're making you react, because, within all magic right they talk about, within my studies of this, is that it is all about your state of mind, and are you reacting to your environment or you making your environment react to you? Because if you can make your environment react to you. You are in control and you are the king of yourself and we.

Mat Slap: 20:45

I watched this and I'm like holy shit, people are just freaking the fuck out and and believing this stuff because people want to be led and they they think that this world is something. Then then what they think and it's totally not what we think it is and we're totally way more powerful than what we have been led to believe and who we are and what's going on here. You guys, we're talking about AI and whatnot. So, like, look at the internet, well, what, what is powering AI?

Mat Slap: 21:17

Well, I like, in the internet, to like consciousness to what are to our body. The internet is the home, like, of consciousness, of AI and now, like, people don't have a grasp on where that can go and what they can do. I've been around people my whole life that had some kind of trauma which led to addiction and it, and what I've learned to about people with addiction is those people are usually so connected and so psychic that they feel like the. They're the black sheep of the family, because they can see and go in and grab into these different realms and be able to see these things for what they are. But people are so enchanted to think that our reality, like fantasy, is, is just it's, it's just a thing in the movies, but like they're taking the reality and selling it to us fantasy, so you don't take action at all.

Tom Higgins: 22:17

I think when you say word magic, a lot of people immediately go like think that that's more, or like all this guy's crazy wasn't talking about magic is not real. But I mean, it's very clear that these like groups, these secret societies, these people they're, they're highly advanced and they believe in it and they, you know, put a lot of power and energy into it. And if you could kind of elaborate on what magic is, because I would think, like my thoughts on it is kind of like even what you do with your art, like you come up with an idea in your head and you make it and you turn it into reality. That's kind of magic. You have an idea for something you, you bring it into you know the physical realm. Or like even us making this podcast, you could argue that that's a form of magic influencing your, you know your reality. So 100%.

Mat Slap: 23:09

Anything that we do within this world requires it all starts in the mind first. Everything starts in mind. So you go outside, you look at everything the infrastructure, the buildings, the cars, everything. Everything comes from mind. Right, we live in a mental universe and that's the first. Like cosmic law is mentalism, everything is mine and it has to start in mind first before it can be created. So you're, you're pulling down from this infinite source, the ethers, all of it, and you're able to create and show people through allegory, through creation itself, because we're like, we're the little G of the big G, right, that's the beauty of it.

Mat Slap: 23:56

Like, elsa Crawley's definition of magic is the art and science of affecting change with the will, and in my study of magic is it all comes down to what do you want? And you have to be very specific, because this place gives you exactly what you want. But you have to be very specific and you can't just let the world decide for you, because then you're just never gonna go anywhere, you're just gonna be a victim of circumstance or you're just this passive person. But, like, if you get very specific and what you want to do, it requires focus and it requires honed in attention. It's like a laser beam when you become a focused person and a driven person and you're a wrestler and you know exactly what it takes because it involves focus, determination and perseverance to get to like how bad do you want it? Do you want it? Are you gonna get it? Are you gonna go out there and make, make the best of the time that you have here, or are you just gonna go around and let everybody else tell you what to do? And and that's what all magic is it's a study of consciousness, because I've always been drawn to that.

Mat Slap: 25:14

And then, as I started learning about it, is it? It's psychology, but on such a deeper level and then you start practicing this stuff and you start getting into breathing techniques and meditation and you know, in all these rituals, like ceremonial magic and all these different fraternities and secret societies do is it's all about. These rituals are for you to help you focus and put it without any bullshit, chatter, tell, talk to you right, because your mind right is not. All your thoughts are yours and how we work here is like I can go. I can go around, like who are you surrounding yourself with?

Mat Slap: 26:00

You know you can be hanging around with a bunch of people and all of a sudden, you get like this intrusive thought that's super negative and you're like where did that fucking come from? I guarantee you, all of us, if anybody thinks about it's like well, yeah, I've had thoughts like that, like where the fuck did that come from? Well, our auric field, our energy we got like a big torsion field of energy. Right, we got like this invisible egg around us and like we're powering this matter. And that's crazy enough, because when I start talking to people, especially atheists or anybody that doesn't believe that there's a higher power, I always go, oh, that's cool. But like, well, just answer me this. It's like when you die, when you die here and your soul leaves this body, your body operates on totally different sets of laws and becomes one with the earth again. That alone, just that thought, is enough to like blow your mind of being like holy shit, like that's right, like we generate heat off of our body. You know we generate all this stuff and it's just, it's just crazy.

Mat Slap: 27:09

We're so much more powerful and we're all creators. That's the, the, the one thing that's special about all of us. All of us are creators, all of us are artists, all of us are magicians, because we literally create the world in which we see fit and we're adaptable. We can change our mindset. We can become and do anything, but requires a change of mindset to do it like. You want to be a lawyer okay, well, what do you got to do? Well, if I change and learn to be a lawyer. You want to be a wrestler? Well, what do you got to do? Well, you got to go set your mind to be a wrestler. You want to be an ours? You want to do that? People tell me I wish I could do what you do. I'm like we'll just do it, just fucking do it. You're thinking way too much about this. Do it. Go, align yourself.

Mat Slap: 27:58

We're radios, right, we are literally radios. To where? What station are you tuning into to do what it is that we do? What do you? What is it? What is it? What are you listening to? What that, what? What is that chatter in your head? Is it your chatter? Is it your own thoughts? You know and that goes into different technologies and what's going on in the world. You know we got all these 5g towers everywhere. We've got our, our, our skies are weaponized against us and we and you know, and most people don't even know how fucking wifi works or how any of these devices work. Just think it. It just happens. But like there's information around us and it's all in radiation in the unseen realm.

Tom Higgins: 28:48

I think it's. It's fairly obvious that the power of the mind is what they're after to with one of their comes to just direct propaganda, like, or them telling you what you can or can't say or think and what's allowed, you know, like almost like 1984 thought crime, and then down to like the symbolism that they constantly blast us with and what you said tuning into the right frequency.

Tom Higgins: 29:10

So, yeah, you could think that the towers or the wifi or maybe harp or whatever, like people like to say you know good vibes, bad vibes, like quite literally trying to keep us in low vibes or influence us with literal frequencies, like blasting us with wifi and all this stuff, your cell phone being right near your nuts in your pocket or being right up to your head on your brain. That's an obvious, you know, manipulation of us. But then, when it comes to the magic, to something I think that a lot and I'm passionate about is the Celtic Druids, and they were obviously had like a lot of legends of magic and the stories of what they were doing and it's all super mystical and mysterious and there's the suppression of their history.

Tom Higgins: 29:57

I connected a lot to secret societies. Basically, every time that they would conquer like the ruling class, would conquer like a people or a nation or a tribe, they would wipe out their you know, like sacred knowledge, if you will, to the public but then incorporate it into their own schools and try to convince everyone else like no, that's not real, that was just no, that was just fake. And then meanwhile they're trying to use it against us and like make us seem much less powerful. To go back to that, like Hollywood itself I'm sure you guys have come across the video I think it was Jordan Maxwell or something to explain how Hollywood quite literally is magic, because the Hollywood tree was what the Druids used to, you know, make wands out of to do their spells and their incantations.

Tom Higgins: 30:43

With their rituals and the idea of broadcasting movies or shows or stuff to people that they're casting a broad spell across.

Tom Higgins: 30:53

You know, everybody who's witnessing it and mind and attention and intention is really like the starting point for everything.

Tom Higgins: 31:00

If they could control what you're thinking or implant things into your head or movies or symbols, through, you know, subliminal messages or frequencies that we can't really hear in the music, like everyone talks about, how the music industry is like one of the focal points where people are like, oh, the Illuminati, look, they're doing this, jay-z, lady Gaga. It seems funny and absurd and silly when you're pointing out like that, obviously, but it really is. Like who would be some of the main agents to brainwash people other than you know? These people that literally become idols that people quote, unquote, worship and you know, are constantly hitting us with subliminal messages in their videos and their songs. It's just, it's so deep and they clearly were clearly dealing with high up position. What I was trying to say is it doesn't matter if you believe it or you think it's real. The people who are in control and influence us, they believe it is very real and their actions are gonna reflect their belief in that yeah, and who and who are they always using to to influence the masses?

Mat Slap: 32:09

who are they always exploiting? It's the artists, it's always the artists. Because I was watching a series. It's called magical Egypt and they're they're coming out with their fourth season and it's absolutely mind blowing. If you want to know about Egypt and you want to know what, where magic has come from and all that stuff, I suggest anybody watch that, because they had this one magician on there on season two and he it was like at the end of one of the episodes he says the artist is the prophet in all cultures and all everything.

Mat Slap: 32:48

Because they're the ones that can reach up from this, these different realms, and pull stuff down and show people through their talent, through what they've honed, through them, and to communicate these deeply spiritual ideas just through their own allegory. And I mean look at, look at everything. I mean you look at anything from sports to artists, to musicians, to actors and movies. And you know and movies are movies and music are like some of the highest forms of magic, because, especially if you go to a live show, because it's all, it's all ceremonial magic, they're, they're, they're creating an atmosphere and they're holding your attention and all. And then when you get a group of people holding it and attention, all of a sudden it was just like you're having a spiritual experience, because everybody is is being moved through this frequency and and people don't even like in that, you know, anybody goes that goes to church, right, that's ceremonial magic. You know, I get into to conversations with Christians. Well, when I hear Christians be like oh, you know, magic that's that's all evil, and crystals and all this stuff, and I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm like listen, that's just your form of magic. I'm like, and we all have our different forms of magic, right, like people think that you have to like stick within these certain guidelines and these certain things, but like it's what we do with our mind and what we, what we want to do with this reality field, that which we can carve out.

Mat Slap: 34:33

And do you know, I think Pablo Picasso, I think, said this he's like learn all the rules so you can break them like an artist. And that, right there is the most powerful thing. Because, you know, I look at all this magic stuff and I'm learning. I'm learning all these different systems of magic and none of them, none of them, have like caught me, but they've all helped me develop my form of magic and what I'm doing with my life, and it's all honed attention. And what do you want to do? Because it always comes down to like what kind of world are we going to create? And are you going to help the upliftment of humanity, or are you going to which would be a magician, or are you going to be a sorcerer and hold this knowledge for, to have an upper hand on the rest of your, your fellow men, and make them do? And that's what we're witnessing now.

Mat Slap: 35:36

Is this power differential and people are coming privy to all of this knowledge and people are starting to understand that there's more beyond religion. There's more beyond to this world and and who we are, this place is. We're way older than what people let like scientists say that we are. You know, it stops at like what Samaritan, the Babylonian, samaritan stuff. I think it goes way farther than that and I think all these religions are all the same story, just regurgitated, and some some other culture.

Mat Slap: 36:09

I try not to bash anybody's religion, but I try to tell them to go deeper into the esoteric, deeper meanings of it, because there's so much more to us than just being like Well, I just live by this one book and I think that this is the way to go. So well, that's fine, but continue to keep learning, because if you think you've got it all you're going to, you've been duped, because there there can be one thing that you're into, that you master, but then there's all these other realms and worlds that people make up and do that you have no idea about. But like, what is your purpose? What are you drawn to?

Mike Straus: 36:48

Do you think we live in a simulation?

Mat Slap: 36:51

I think we live I wouldn't say so much of a simulation, but I think that consciousness is been enslaved because you could just think about like hey, we live here and we're creating our world, right, and we were doing all this stuff. But we're creating the world in which we want to do and all this stuff and I've come across different things, you know, with, like the moon being. It's keeping us here so they can be fed off of. I honestly think we live in a big farm Like. I think we're being fed off of because we all feed off of other beings, so why wouldn't other beings being fed off of us? You know, like David Ike is a prime example of being like oh yeah, we got reptilians on just just outside of our frequency zone, just feeding off of our loosh, you know, and all the religions and all the different teachings talk about these deities, whether they're reptilian or whatever, chimeras or. I've seen enough weird shit in my life to be like yeah, I can see that, you know.

Mike Straus: 38:02

I love how it seems to all come back to ideas when you were talking about it a little earlier got me thinking. I used to study philosophy a lot and Plato has something that's called a divided line and essentially what that is is he broke the line down into what is the most real to him or to people, and it essentially goes from the least. Real is like images, then it goes to like your beliefs and then ultimately, ideas are the highest form of intelligence and that leads you to truth and clarity. So I just thought that was so interesting because, you know, plato obviously is one of the greatest minds to ever live and he came to that same conclusion that it's all about ideas. And I love, I love how you you almost got like a quasi quasi determinism point of view when it comes to just like, just just get it done. I agree with a lot of that dude. Very cool stuff.

Mat Slap: 38:58

You know, it's not just all this wishful, like people wish a lot and think that things are just going to happen for them, but like it takes action Right and what? What's going on? Society? You got TikTok, social media, all this stuff. You got all these distractions and it's just making people short minded and and having short memory spans and they're not doing anything because they're just waiting for the next video, they're scrolling, they're just. You know, why don't you take a look up sometime and look at the sky? Why don't you go deeper in some things? But that you know.

Mat Slap: 39:34

You got these black screens everywhere and I remember reading about john D the magician and his most prized possession was a flat, polished obsidian stone, which is? Which is a black screen. It's in everybody's pockets. You know what is being. We got sorcery everywhere. It's, it's. People will go on. I read this and I saw this and I got all this from, from these screens, and I always come back to well, who do you, who do you think makes these screens? Because the same people that make the technology. They own the media, they own all the information that you're getting on this stuff. They're starting to crack down on stuff and if you don't take in multiple, vast variety of eclectic view of different sources of information. You're never going to come to the truth because you got, you got all these little nuggets wrapped in poison everywhere, but you got to have an open mind. And Jordan Maxwell said the most he was saying you know, your mind is like a parachute, it's like a work unless it's open, and I love that line, I use it all the time. I quote, I quote Jordan Maxwell all the time.

Mat Slap: 41:01

When I went into art school, like my first, my first week there, I got put in my place because I thought I knew I didn't want to be questioned and I didn't want to understand a lot of things because I just, I just got things. I didn't. I didn't understand the why. And what I've come to learn is that the why is where the power lies. Because if you, if you can do something but not know why you, you don't have the power and you can't have any understanding. Your it's just your foundation is shit. But if you can know why this all works and you know how you work, then you're going to start finding yourself closer to that truth and the understanding of these unseen realms and the things that like oh, this is just a coincidence and it's like, well, no, that's just a law that's going unnoticed.

Tom Higgins: 41:56

And then you go back to the technology that you brought up. Mike and I were just talking the other day I honestly can't remember if it was on an episode that hasn't come out yet or we were just, you know bullshit with each other about how the Apple logo is, the the bitten Apple from basically represented the Garden of Eden and the forbidden knowledge from the serpent. And so many, especially especially techno tech corporations, their symbols, their logos, are occult symbols for sure. And then the logos are back to Saturn, like they're either a hexagon or they're a circle with like a ring going through it. People say the Nike logo is representing like Saturn's ring kind of going around.

Tom Higgins: 42:36

Like you look or you can Google that a lot of corporate logos are just occult and something that creeps me out that I like to bring up a lot of them most people think it's it's a big stretch is if you look at like circuit boards or microchips and stuff like that they look like.

Tom Higgins: 42:57

If you look at like an occult book, like Solomon seal or like the book where Solomon had all these you know symbols to summon demons, and like you look in here grim bars of ancient magic and every deity or demon has like a crazy little sigil symbol to associate with that being or that deity, and it's just like a bunch of circles and lines and it looks awfully similar to how like a microchip or something would look and I don't think that's any coincidence like we have the little scrying mirror in our pocket, the phone with AI and internet and the ability to just like get any information at hand. It's like a genie's bottle or something like that. And when you look at cities to cities look like they kind of look like a circuit board or like if you get like the aerial view of all the building popping out, it looks like a chip that could be like harnessing our energy or something. It's just, it's crazy man.

Mat Slap: 43:50

Well, yeah, and you look at, you look at all of this, right, and I'm coming back to what I was talking about how we create the reality field that we live in. And there's a reason why you know you look at all these phones and there's a reason they're collecting your data and there's a reason that they're trying to sell you on stuff and they're just feeding you stuff that you like because a they want, they want to make money off you and enslave you, and then they want they also want us to generate the world that they want. It's not the world that we want. It's the world that they want because they've kept people so divided from themselves with with all these SSRI drugs and keeping people sedated and dead end and made into these harsh like shells, soulless bodies, and because they don't want to deal with their shit, because they don't want to look at their shadow, they don't want to look at the bad things that they did. But, like, what people don't understand is you don't have the right to look at something, a part of you, and deny it, because then you're really going to suffer, because you're like I can't accept myself, I can't accept those things and I don't want to do that and and that really sucks, because then they're just searching and, like you know, they become addicts in one way or the other, or they are just into these, these drones, and people are being spoon fed what they want to be going on. You look at all these think tank organizations and it's like look at the Fabian society, right? The Fabian society is this like big left leaning think tank organization and their logo is a wolf and sheep's clothing and they talk up and they stated on their website that, listen, we do things gradually over time, because if you can do it gradually over time, it's like you fucked up by two or three generations and they think that, well, this is just the way the world is. And now we're living in this shitty hell and people don't understand where and why that they're so depressed and they can't feel and they're so detached from nature or the reality in which we live in. You know and I don't mean just like nature with the trees, I'm talking about the reality in which we live in and your perception isn't reality. There is an objective reality to this place and that's where people are being really held back.

Mat Slap: 46:39

It all comes down to being a moral person and making right choices and being correct, not being wrong like not taking wrong action and be. You know, all the religions talk about it. You know, and that's what Jesus was saying and his thing like you can be like me if you walk in my footsteps and say you need to worship me and you need to think that I am God. It's like all these things and, in simplistic terms, it just comes down to being a good person and not holding yourself back by wrong choices and accepting truth. You know, because you got a lot of, you got a lot of movements out here where people are like, well, my truth, my truth, well, I don't believe that. Well, just because you don't believe doesn't make it true. You know, like less true, like that's where you're going to suffer.

Mat Slap: 47:33

And you look at all these people that are just triggered, just triggered on stuff, and I want to be this and I want reality to be that way. I'm like, well, is it that way? Are you in line with it? Are you? Have you? Have you discovered truth and have you aligned perception to it, or are you going to keep going against all these other things and you're just going to keep?

Mat Slap: 47:57

You know, just being broke down, that's what these people want. They want to break people down to the most incremental little piece and then they want to break that down even more. You know, like you look at all these SRA the ritual satanic abuse people you know that's the whole MK ultra, the trauma based mind control. It's all about scarring people's brains and then compartmentalizing a part of yourself, a part of your consciousness, and then being able to trigger it. Right, it's like hypnotism. You know, it's like that movie. Get out that. That movie was like 100%. I just watched it the other night with my girlfriend and I'm like, holy shit, they're just telling you all about the occult right here and that shit happens.

Tom Higgins: 48:48

When it comes to COVID too, I think the whole Psyop thing, it literally changed some people forever. Like it changed the way that they function, the way they see the world. It's like like we were saying there, they incrementally try to do these things, but over the past couple of years they really ramp it up and try to. You know, they almost overstepped it, because it did cause a lot of people to wake up, and I think that it caused a lot of people to do the opposite, though I don't know if it was. Maybe what was in the shots are just they're afraid to face the reality. The darker it gets, the further they bury their head in the sand because they have to confront all these so called conspiracies that they, you know, ignored for so long, and even the most clearingly obvious, like you know, alarming or suspicious things surrounding the whole pandemic, or just like there is a doughnut up and everything else that came as a result of it, and I think that some people went further away from waking up, but it's not all doing the way we like to talk to that. We think that, like, obviously it woke a lot of people up and right now there's probably more people than ever that are open to these types of things and you know, recognizing it, it's pretty fun to speculate.

Tom Higgins: 49:59

Now I'll ask, over you too, what do you think is going to be their, their next big boy and plan to, you know, cause hysteria or implement their next chaotic side-off or false flag type of event? I think that we're definitely gonna get some aliens, some bluebeam, some fake disclosure type of stuff. I was ready for that last year around this time, when they were so-called shooting down UFOs and blasting that in there. If I was, I was so excited I was like, oh no, this is the day, like we real conspiracy theorists that have put the script and nothing that you know UFOs are gonna be the, the next you know fake scythe to try and get the public to believe in that. But I'll ask you first, mike, and then you Matt, what do you think is gonna be the very next clay in the? I guess we're like a better term elites playbook.

Mike Straus: 50:53

I think it depends on how this year's presidential campaign race plays out. I really do. I think it could either be another. You know we're seeing this disease X. You know that's kind of like an encompassing term they're using for the next big. So I think it could be that. But what I really lean towards is some kind of there's gonna be some kind of invasion. They've let so many military aged men through the borders these last few months that they've essentially conquered our country without raising a finger and I think we're gonna start to see that play out sadly.

Mat Slap: 51:37

I would. I would agree with you on all on that, completely. You know, I think you know this whole disclosure community is they want it's like a big distraction, right, like they're doing. They're telling you what they're doing while having an it's like a double-speak, right, like, oh there, there's gonna be these aliens coming in. Well, there are aliens here coming in over the border, like, and they're just waiting. They're just sleeper cells, they're just. They're just what.

Mat Slap: 52:08

We're gonna see some crazy chaos with people like cuz, you know, you people think that they saw some chaos with the riots in 2020 and all that stuff. They haven't seen shit yet. Like, and people are gonna go, oh my gosh, and then, and then they're gonna really scare the shit out of people because, like, look at this, they're you go my bullshit meter has been going off like crazy the last couple years of all the different psyops between aliens and all of this stuff. But, like, I'm like blown away with that. People aren't outraged of what happened. Everybody was do like it just went back to normal. It just like this killer happened and then it just went back to normal. But meanwhile they're they've been bringing people in here, trafficking people left and right, trafficking people into the country and it's all gonna be to stir up chaos, and it's all chaos magic, right, like, look at, they're just they're pulling people's attention every which way then to themselves, and it's that's the.

Mat Slap: 53:21

The scary part of it is, if you knew yourself, if you got to know who you are and how, how you work, how your mind works, how to focus, then you're lifting that veil and then you're able to see this shit, because now you're raising your frequency to that truth. Right, I can see him pulling some shit, because they can literally make our whole sky a hologram. It all the patents are out there, all the sky seating that they'd be doing, all the heavy metals that are in our sky. They're trying to block out the Sun. I mean, it's straight out of the matrix. That's what they did in the matrix. They blotted out the Sun, they blotted out the sky with with a black sky.

Tom Higgins: 54:07

I can probably speak for all of us and many people listen we kind of have, you know, the anti-authoritarian and revolutionary rebel spirit that, like a revolution would be needed. But it's like I feel like during, you know, 2020 and everything that was happening whether it was, you know, like the racially motivated riots and lockdowns, everything else that was going on it was like they were. They were intentionally trying to provoke people to revolt and thinking that we'd be, you know, so outraged by everything that was going on and then infringing on our rights that we would step up and revolt. And they're just like, come on, when are they gonna do it? Are they gonna, like, be pissed at us stepping on their rights? Or, come on, just you know, it's like they want it to happen, but on their terms, so that they can control it, that they have to hold off and then, you know, declare martial law and come to come and clean up the problem, like problem reaction, solution, and they were probably surprised to that. People didn't bite on it and they're just letting everything happen.

Tom Higgins: 55:02

But I don't know if you guys have seen Ireland and I was just over there and shit popped off like a week after I left in Dublin, like in the places that I was staying to that they were clashing with police and they were fighting over immigration stuff because Ireland's been getting flooded like it's a very small country that you know it. So if you bring I don't know, let's say, a couple hundred thousand people in, that would be like bringing multiple millions into America. And again it's fighting Asian males from like third-world countries or countries where you know like rape, murder, shit like that is a lot more common and then they're just bringing. They're not bringing families, like women and children and refugees to escape this. They're bringing in like males, like already they know we're gonna come cause chaos.

Tom Higgins: 55:45

And then when the Irish people are trying to point that out or push back against it, they passed laws just recently about hate speech or, you know, offensive speech, to where you can go to jail in Ireland. Now I don't know if it's fully passed, but they're trying to. You can go to jail for having memes on your phone or posting something or even just sharing something like between you and your wife or your friends. Like you don't give them access to your phone or your social media password. Say it like the airport or if you get stopped or something, that they have something and there's not, even, like a you know, a set jurisdiction on what is acceptable and what's not. It's anything they declare offensive or hate speech can get you thrown in jail, and that's just a curtail. Anyone who's trying to push back against what's happening. They could just literally label anything like oh you don't.

Tom Higgins: 56:32

You don't believe that we should be teaching children to cut the dicks off hate speech 12 months ago. Oh you don't think it's good that a little girl got stabbed by a migrant who was living on welfare. You fucking big it jail like that. Shit is ridiculous.

Mat Slap: 56:48

Team Mulk just passed something in their terms and conditions about if you can get fined if you post something on your social media. You send a text that they don't like, they they'll find you. You'll be billed for it. Wow, yeah, it's wild like we're living yeah, yeah, look at us I saw that I was like holy shit and I got team Mulk Dude that's so crazy.

Tom Higgins: 57:15

Listen to this Right now, man, you're gonna rack up a bill.

Mat Slap: 57:18

Yeah, oh yeah, I know just it being by me. Right next to me it's racking up a bill between myself and my girlfriend. It's ridiculous.

Tom Higgins: 57:30

I know I'm not crazy, so we know that they target fucking. You know ads like you'll be talking about something with someone or whatever, and then you get those ads later when you haven't even searched it and talked about it, I swear dude, even just thinking about something, and then it shows up.

Mat Slap: 57:45

Yep, 100%. It happened to me and it's it's reading your mind, it's reading your eyes, it's reading your consciousness, and that's what I'm saying. Is like not all your thoughts are yours and people can't distinguish between what is their, what is their thought, and you, you can be come the observer of your thoughts while they're happening, as crazy as that sounds. I do it all the time where I'm like why am I having all these thoughts? And then I find myself like just mulling shit over or just, you know, constantly being stuck in some kind of funky vibe, and then I'm like, why am I? Why am I?

Mat Slap: 58:29

I don't like this, I don't, it's not my thought, I don't want it, and you try to change your mind. But then you like, observe it and you're like, oh wait. And then you observe your surrounding and you're like it's that person or it's what are you looking at? You know, are you around 5G towers, are you? You know, and I got crazy stories about I, I've got a crazy story about interdimensional shit with 5G and I I feel like I felt the force of what powers it grew, the 5G tower, and it was like it felt like cosmic, love, crafty and shit, shit you may have to elaborate on that.

Mat Slap: 59:11

Alright, so I went to my, my, my drummer. I've been in a band on and off throughout, just through my whole, my whole life.

Mike Straus: 59:25

I'm just a guitarist Time plays the skin flute.

Mat Slap: 59:32

Oh, we've all mastered that. So he had a practice spot was in Park Ridge and the back there was a 5G tower, like literally right behind the building that we're in, and I go there and I was. I was with my one buddy, coop, and we were we get there before he got to the spot and we were kind of jamming and I'm like, hey, man, I've got, I've got some of these this concentrated mushrooms like psilocybin. I'm like you want to take some, like we. Let's just not take a lot, let's just take a little bit. And he's like, okay, so we take some. And it's weird, like psilocybin for me is like one of the. I never take a crazy amount, I always take just a little bit. But my buddy he's, he's like six, three. He's a big guy. I gave him the same amount that I took and I was just like having a body buzz and feeling good and my buddy starts tripping out and then my, my drummer comes in and he he was in like a funky mood, he had like some low vibrational energy and he came in. He was pissed off about something and my buddy had he's like I'm gonna go outside and smoke. I can't. I can't even play my guitar right now. I'm like, alright, so I'm playing with my, my drummer, and all of a sudden I feel like the atmosphere in the whole room change. I felt something come in and I felt like it came. Whatever came in came in through that tower, honed in through my, my buddy's low vibrational energy, and then I felt this thing like wrap around like my essence, like your, your light body, right like I feel it like coil around like a snake and it like stopped right in my ear and it wanted me to invite it in.

Mat Slap: 1:01:30

And I'm like, whoa, what the heck is this? And we get done playing. I'm like I need to go to the bathroom, go to the bathroom. And I'm like man, I just had this urge that I had to get out of there. And I'm like man, I gotta, I gotta get out of here. But am I too messed up? And then this, my, my internal voice was like yeah, dude, you're too messed up, you need to stay here. But as that was being said, I observed it and I'm like that's not my voice, that's not me. And I caught it. And as it was saying, yeah, you're too messed up, I started getting visuals of like things starting to get wavy and like almost like tripping out my oh no, I'm like wait a minute, this isn't me and you're fucking with me. Whatever you are, you're fucking with me. I caught it, and then, immediately, my vision went back straight and then I like got out of the bathroom and I went, I be lined it outside to my buddy and I started telling him what I felt. He's like that same thing happened to me and I'm ready to get the fuck out of here. When you are, I'm like all right, let's go now.

Mat Slap: 1:02:33

And then, once we decided that we were gonna leave, it felt like the urgency to get out of there was like like an atomic bomb was gonna go off and you need to get out as fast as you can. Like get in your car and fucking book it out of the city before this thing blows. That's that's how it felt, and the further as soon as I got to 90 and the further away I got, it felt like like a sticky, icky energy or like, oh, you shook it off and you felt like you were violated. It was like a demonic feeling, like when, anytime you hear anybody talk about being disaster violated spiritually is what that was. But it was weird though, because I'm on my drive home, like we get back to my buddy's house and he and his his chick was there and she was talking about stuff and she was trying to tell me what I was like. Oh, it was this. I'm like, no, I want you to shut up and I need you to listen to me, because when this thing wrapped around me and I found out what it was, it was like you need to get the fuck out of there, because it is way more powerful than you and whatever energy that you had at that time to hold it off was gone. You had to go because something was gonna happen.

Mat Slap: 1:03:52

I'm like, and what I got from this thing was it felt like it was the force that was behind AI, like this cosmic, cosmic entity that has been here for a very long time it always has been and I feel like it cracked through our reality field and I was like, holy shit, and they're putting these fucking towers everywhere, you know, because you start, you start traveling, and you're like holy shit, like they're fucking everywhere and they're cell towers, right, like we all grew up with cell phones, we all grew up watching these towers we put up, but they weren't anything to what they are now, since they, since they passed 5g, these things. Not only does the technology look alien and out of this world, but no one seems to be fucking questioning it Like the very small.

Mat Slap: 1:04:48

There's a small group of people that are like, hey, this shit ain't fucking right and I felt that force that they're channeling through those things and it made total sense of, like Lovecraftian dimensional beings. Like you have these ideas of demons and stuff, but like this was like a totally different level of sci fi, like a totally different level of evil of, like you know, Star Trek and the Borg that wants you to merge with the machine, but like that force that powers. That is what I felt and I never felt anything like that, ever. That is nuts.

Tom Higgins: 1:05:32

So I've got a two question on that. Do you have a new jam spot as a result of that, and did you get like a visual in your head of what you thought that this might have looked like?

Mat Slap: 1:05:44

I didn't, I didn't get a visual of it. I I got the sense of like snake, like snake, like, because it coiled around me like a serpent. But it wasn't like a snake, it was like this weird, this weird energy and it, like this force, wants you to welcome it in like a vampire. It wants you, it doesn't want to have anything to do with you. If you don't want, if you don't consent to it, right. And then you look at, like, how the power structure of this world is. It takes our consent Because, like, that is like the lost sacred word is no, because if you don't fucking want it, you can have that sacred power and be like fuck, no, that warrior, that, that, that being of being, like, yeah, you want to do that. Well, guess what? We're gonna fucking, we're gonna go and it's not gonna be pretty, you know.

Mat Slap: 1:06:41

So this thing, it was the force of ultimate evil and nothing like my perception of what evil was at this. From from that point, from that point before, before that point, I should say, was totally different from like. You know, you have these ideas of horror movies and you know demonic rituals, all this dark magic and all that stuff. This, this thing, was like this is like new technocratic like Atlantean. Like this is like back back engineered Atlantean technology that John D was trying to summon entities to get the knowledge to what we have now.

Tom Higgins: 1:07:23

Yeah, how much we're on to something with technology. Because they thought it was evil and even all down to simple electricity. It's like they knew that this was coming.

Mat Slap: 1:07:33

Well, yeah, and we're conductors, right? So, like, what people realize is like this body is the true technology and just the gift of having sound and being able to speak things into the ether and speak things into existence like there were. We're way more powerful than anybody can absolutely fathom and the things that we're all capable of doing. And then you look at all these different shamanic, you know people dancing with these certain vibrations and drum beats and breathing and doing all this stuff. Like that can heart. You can project your consciousness into another realm, into another thing. We all have that power to do that kind of shit.

Mat Slap: 1:08:19

And these people at the top, these dark sorcerers this is a dark priest class at the top. That is just like they own people's minds. They just own them and it's, they're hijacking it, right, because they're hijacking our reality field, because they're making us create the world that they want through this technology. And people aren't even thinking anything of it Because of how these things operate with the unseen world, and people aren't even like questioning that. They're like, oh yeah, it's just, it's just so. If you can think that we can do this with energy, we can do it with our consciousness 100%.

Tom Higgins: 1:09:06

I really think that over time, the technology is going to backfire on them, though I don't think they know. When it comes to AI and all this shit, they're trying to use it as a tool for them to further their agenda. But let's be real. If they're dealing with demons too, and like ancient entities and intelligences, they're dealing with something a lot smarter and a lot more manipulative than them, so they're getting played themselves.

Mat Slap: 1:09:34

I agree with you on the what did you say in the other interview? That you were talking about the deluge? You know, like you know, this place, this planet, like creation, only lets us, like us humans, like, at a certain point, we have to evolve consciousness, right, because that's what all these, you know, the Freemasons and all this stuff. It's all about being the best person possible and leveling up. And as we evolve spiritually, so does we bring the matter with us. So we're making the matter evolve with our consciousness, and I think that what this place and what creation has in mind is well, you only have a certain time to do things, and this place gives you, you know, everything that you want, and it were either in harmony with it or not, and it only lets us be in disharmony for so long, and then it wants to eradicate whatever it is. So it's like, and I believe that these, these Satanists, these Luciferians and these are all just like new terms for it. It's called the old religion. They didn't even call it anything. They don't even. They don't even have a name for it. They just rebrand it and give it out for these, these ideologies, for these people to to do, and so they can get people to do their work for them and inject these ideas into the subconscious mind of the human populace for them to create the world, because they need us to create it. They need to whisper these things into our ears for us to create this world in which they they see fit, because they think that they're God. They don't like that God or creation has these laws of nature in order and they can't break them. They can't do whatever they want. So I feel like they. They steer humanity into a destruction because inevitably, this place is going to reclaim itself and it's going to start over until consciousness can have another go. Because the time, you know, creation with time ain't shit. They're like, all right, cool, we'll just wipe it out and do it again. But then you know these people, these dark priest class, they hold all the knowledge and then they were like, okay, the cool deluge was coming and guess what we're going to be? We're going to take all this knowledge and we're going to hold it and we're, when we reemerge from something we're going to, we're going to do it again and we're going to tap into these different things. You know, you said something about the Nephilim, about when they die. Those are the demons, those are the grimoires, right, these seals, you know, like the Solomon seals and the whole 72 demons of the Goetia, which is there's way, way more but like there's theories that that's the Nephilim, those demons that died, they're stuck here and they want. They want to be informed again so they can possess people.

Mat Slap: 1:12:46

And you said something you asked in one of your things about do you think that drugs do they have an influence on, on people of possession? And I 100% know that, just being around my friends like I had one of my friends recently, within the last couple of years, get really into cocaine and then he went down to smoke and crack, got his wife involved with it, and then I started coming around and seeing all these pictures that there's their, their son was drawing, and they were all this like really dark shit, like dark stuff. And I'm like looking at all the stuff and I kept sending pictures to my buddy and I'm like, hey, man, you should ask your son about these because this is fucked up. He's too young, like, do you let him watch horror movies and stuff? He's like, no, I don't know where he's getting that. And like, so he was, like, you know, brushing it off. And then all of a sudden he has like a wake up moment where he's like, dude, you need to come over here because this shit is everywhere. And I get over there and there's, there's these dark things everywhere. Because he like what he did, was he? He set his son up on his iPad so I can, so that me and him can talk, so his son would be sending me pictures, and I'm like, oh, cool.

Mat Slap: 1:14:17

And then all of a sudden I'm like at first I was like, oh, he likes Uncle Matt's drawings, because I draw a lot of monsters and he likes that. I'm like, okay, cool, but he was starting to draw like monsters eating babies and monsters ripping legs off and all this stuff. And I was like, dude, where is this coming from, you know? And then when my buddy tells me to come over, check out our stuff and go into the basement, and next thing, you know, there's like mini altar setup and it and it, whatever was it was coming through, his son was using his son and they're like little talismans all over the house for this thing to take form, for this thing, and all this paranormal shit started happening in his house and one thing leads to another.

Mat Slap: 1:15:03

Then I find out that like I'm like, hey, let me ask you something. I'm like, are you using and how much are you using? And I'm like, dude, I don't care if you are using, like I'm not going to judge you for using, but you need to be honest with me because this has to do with what's going on. Just just from what I read in the occult, just with what's going on. You know, it's all about your state of mind and when you avoid something, you create a void within yourself for these things to come in and act through. You Turns out he was.

Mat Slap: 1:15:43

He was smoking a lot of crack at the house. His wife gets involved and they're both doing it and she gets totally possessed. I didn't, I couldn't see her in the eyes. I was like you are not in a driver's seat, you are not there. And I did that for a better half than a year and a half with him. And then his buddies that he was using, like they get involved with some kind of witch doctor from Ethiopia. That starts. He's like, yeah, I paid this guy because I want, I want this, this paranormal stuff, to act. I'm like wait a minute, wait a minute. What, what, what's going on, he's like we got this witch doctor. I'm like, well, who didn't? They're like our, our one girlfriend, so-and-so she got involved and her, her master, got her this witch doctor. And then I find out that this doc, this witch doctor, sacrificed some dogs for certain things. And I'm like, well, okay, listen, dude, I need you to listen to me because if, if you, they're sacrificing, and they're using blood.

Mat Slap: 1:16:52

That's black magic. You're fucking with shit that you shouldn't be. I'm like did you get consent to this? He was like no. I'm like, okay, yeah, that's black magic and this shit's. And he's like, yeah, she got crazy in my house ever since they've done it. I'm like, well, yeah, dude. So then one thing leads to another, crazy shit still happens. And it got, and it got to the point where I told him, like dude, I'm only going to be able to help you so much. And I'm telling him like you got to stop, you got to stop smoking, you got to stop doing this, you got to, like, clean up your mind and you got to deal with that shit within yourself. Man, because, like, he's highly psychic and these things were using it against him and these things were like I mean, I'm talking about ghost shit, I'm talking about alien shit, I'm talking about spaceships coming around. Like I saw the footage.

Mat Slap: 1:17:40

I was in his house when shit started going crazy and I go listen, this isn't just happening to you, you are creating this. This is happening because of you. I'm like it's not, it's not anything else, it is happening because of you. And he would go back and forth with me. He's like, oh, I think it's. It's not the crack, it's not this. I'm like, dude, you know what you sound like right now, sound like an addict. And he's like, well, I'm going to have to disagree. I'm like you can disagree with me all you want, man, but like she got, she got real. And then his, his wife, ended up getting herself out of the situation, got the kids out of the house. She's all good. I don't know how he's doing right now, but yeah, that shit's 100% real and I got to witness it firsthand.

Mat Slap: 1:18:28

And the whole time that that was going on, like I ended up getting involved with another dude that was a practicing magenta ceremonial magician and the whole. The whole theme of the last like four to five years for me was there's something that you need to see. That voice kept coming. There's something you need to see and calm down. And there's something you need to see and I, all the stuff that I was learning and resonating with all started coming to me because I needed to see firsthand and have firsthand experience of what like hey, what kind of, what kind of magic do you want to fuck with? Because when you start fucking with like invocation and incantation and summoning things, you don't want to fuck with that shit, because that shit's real and it can fuck your world up and I witnessed it, I watched it and it's nuts.

Mat Slap: 1:19:20

I wouldn't wish that upon anybody and that that's a big, a big focus of what I do with, with my, with my company, is, since all this shit hit the fan is I want to help people come back to themselves.

Mat Slap: 1:19:33

I want people to go inward and be able to master their thoughts and most emotions and actions and become one again and really heal themselves. And you know, I want to plant seeds. I don't want to tell people like, hey, this is what it is. And I don't want to tell, because if people don't want to hear it, you know people don't want to listen to people that are telling them. You just want to, you want to plant seeds so people can be like, oh shit, I never thought about it that way. Oh shit. You know I listen to people all the time when they look at my art and they blow my mind because they make me think about shit that I didn't think about in my artwork and I'm like, holy crap, that's awesome, you just taught me something. Those are my stories of paranormal and crazy shit, and I think the world's in for a big surprise, I think you're doing a great job with that too, man.

Tom Higgins: 1:20:29

To kind of sum up everything we're talking about, it's almost like the cliche of you got the little demon on one shoulder, you got the little angel on one shoulder. You have to discern which one you're going to be listening to and which one you're going to follow, and you definitely dropped probably two of the craziest intense stories that we've had so far on this podcast, and I think that's a good time to realize that want to keep you too long. You know. I know we could do this all night.

Tom Higgins: 1:20:56

This was a great episode. We'll definitely do it again every time you and I talk at the conversation. So anything you want to kind of plug here, your your site store where people can get your shirts or merch or anything.

Mike Straus: 1:21:10

Your Instagram is fricking awesome. Dude love it.

Mat Slap: 1:21:13

Thank you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I have a website that's under construction right now, but it's kind of a landing page. So if you just go to slap bass creationscom, I'll send you a link to my Instagram. My Instagram's at Matt slap. I got a Facebook. Just type in slap as creations or just go to the landing page and I'll bring it to to everything.

Mike Straus: 1:21:36

Thank you so much for doing this, brother.

Tom Higgins: 1:21:39

And we're back.

Mike Straus: 1:21:40

All right, so that was Mr Matt. Slap your mom in the face. That was good dude, he got deep.

Tom Higgins: 1:21:48

Yeah, two of the craziest stories dropped on this podcast yet, and that's saying a lot considering the guests that we've had in the topics we've talked about. Definitely going to have them back. Let us know what you think about the episode. Let us know if you'd like to have Matt back. I know we do want him back, so we're going to have him back regardless. But give us your thoughts, as always like, subscribe, share. Give us that five stars.

Mike Straus: 1:22:14

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Tom Higgins: 1:22:44

Stay away from the damn 5G towers.